Solution for most of the Suns woes here!

[KANIDJA]

For two games suspend LB and Boris Diaw for their effort or lack of it. Blast them in the newspapers.
For one game suspend Amare for his effort or lack of it as well. Blast him for being outrebounded, out hustled, out worked, and pushed around by every other solid center or power forward in this league.

I am sick and tired of watching these player just kind of jog out there and lose position as soon as someone puts a body on them. I am tored of these player that act like primadonnas and getting paid 10 or 20 mil a year. I am tired of wasting my time to watch a team with names Suns have lose evry other night by 20 points or go down 20 points because of their effort or hustle. If they don't shoot well and lose I would not be upset at all but effort is something they mist bring every night.
I hope my fellow suns fans will support me on this!

 

[Hat]

For two games suspend LB and Boris Diaw for their effort or lack of it. Blast them in the newspapers.
For one game suspend Amare for his effort or lack of it as well. Blast him for being outrebounded, out hustled, out worked, and pushed around by every other solid center or power forward in this league.

I am sick and tired of watching these player just kind of jog out there and lose position as soon as someone puts a body on them. I am tored of these player that act like primadonnas and getting paid 10 or 20 mil a year. I am tired of wasting my time to watch a team with names Suns have lose evry other night by 20 points or go down 20 points because of their effort or hustle. If they don't shoot well and lose I would not be upset at all but effort is something they mist bring every night.
I hope my fellow suns fans will support me on this!

Sorry this is a bad idea.

You want to take out 3 guys in a our 8 man rotation? You expect to play 5 guys for 40 minutes? You know DA will only play the deep bench for 8 minutes max. This is more counter-productive then helpful. Maybe at the beginning of the season where they had the luxury of losing games it would work, but now, fighting for playoff spots, is is a BAD idea.

 

[BC867]

Blast him for being outrebounded, out hustled, out worked, and pushed around by every other solid center or power forward in this league.

It's only with the addition of Shaq that Amare is playing Power Forward . . . and that's not even consistent.

So if you're looking to suspend anyone, how about the "nut behind the wheel" who has/had Amare and Diaw playing Center, Marion and Hill playing Power Forward, etc. Not to mention Barbosa as our backup Point Guard.

How in the world can you blame that on the players? It was/is an uphill battle for them the minute they step onto the court.

Your resentment for Amare and Barbosa in this thread is my resentment for D'Antoni.

A good Coach makes it easier for his players to succeed.

 

[Phade]

our seed inthe playoffs is a big deal..

suspending players right now is not a good move..

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

A sex-change for Doris is all the team REALLY needs.

A new coach and some defensive intensity on top of that is asking too much imo.

 

[Darth Llama]

Why would you blast Amare for getting out rebounded?

With the addition of Shaq, Amare is not supposed to be the teams leading rebounder. If he pulls down 10-12 boards, that's pretty solid. If the Suns have a problem right now, it's not Amare.

 

[playstation]

yes, lets suspend these players for their lackluster effort in the first half...

lol

 

[SirStefan32]

If he pulls down 10-12 boards, that's pretty solid.

He doesn't.

 

[KANIDJA]

Why would you blast Amare for getting out rebounded?

With the addition of Shaq, Amare is not supposed to be the teams leading rebounder. If he pulls down 10-12 boards, that's pretty solid. If the Suns have a problem right now, it's not Amare.

You have to watch a full game to see what I am talking about here. For example, the Celtics game where we lost recently we were getting killed big time by letting them grab offensive rebounds. After the first quarter Amare had 1 total rebound. That is just crazy with his size and the position he plays he should have at least four. The problem was Garnett was playing him really physical, pushing him, fighting for position, talking, pulling and Amare did not match it. It seems to me like he gets lazy out there. He never boxes out! How are you going to catch a rebound if you don't block out and put your body on someone? I am 6'3" but can not dunk I am able to get rebounds, consistently, from guys that our bigger than me and that can dunk simply because I think when I play, and I keep my body on you all the time. No matter how high someone can jump if you are close to them, boxing out that wont be too much of an advantage.
They have to get that mesage across. Just too much talent on this team to lose games because of lack of effort.

 

[Bufalay]

sex change for Diaw? That's a bad idea, he already plays like a woman, why make him into....ohhhh nevermind.

 

[KANIDJA]

yes, lets suspend these players for their lackluster effort in the first half...

lol[/QUO


You can not settle for less. Why couldn't they play like this from the start? I don't see the reason.

 

[95pro]

You have to watch a full game to see what I am talking about here. For example, the Celtics game where we lost recently we were getting killed big time by letting them grab offensive rebounds. After the first quarter Amare had 1 total rebound. That is just crazy with his size and the position he plays he should have at least four. The problem was Garnett was playing him really physical, pushing him, fighting for position, talking, pulling and Amare did not match it. It seems to me like he gets lazy out there. He never boxes out! How are you going to catch a rebound if you don't block out and put your body on someone? I am 6'3" but can not dunk I am able to get rebounds, consistently, from guys that our bigger than me and that can dunk simply because I think when I play, and I keep my body on you all the time. No matter how high someone can jump if you are close to them, boxing out that wont be too much of an advantage.
They have to get that mesage across. Just too much talent on this team to lose games because of lack of effort.

you're 6'3" and CAN'T dunk?

 

[Chaplin]

You have to watch a full game to see what I am talking about here. For example, the Celtics game where we lost recently we were getting killed big time by letting them grab offensive rebounds. After the first quarter Amare had 1 total rebound. That is just crazy with his size and the position he plays he should have at least four. The problem was Garnett was playing him really physical, pushing him, fighting for position, talking, pulling and Amare did not match it. It seems to me like he gets lazy out there. He never boxes out! How are you going to catch a rebound if you don't block out and put your body on someone? I am 6'3" but can not dunk I am able to get rebounds, consistently, from guys that our bigger than me and that can dunk simply because I think when I play, and I keep my body on you all the time. No matter how high someone can jump if you are close to them, boxing out that wont be too much of an advantage.
They have to get that mesage across. Just too much talent on this team to lose games because of lack of effort.

When has that EVER worked? That's right. NEVER.

Besides, even if that was an option, the Players Union would never, ever, EVER stand by and let it happen. EVER!

 

[arwillan]

you're 6'3" and CAN'T dunk?

that's not exactly hard to believe...

 

[mojorizen7]

you're 6'3" and CAN'T dunk?

There's no excuse for that.
Back in the day(my basketball playing mid 20's) i could get the top half of my fingers over the rim and i'm all of 5'8"...........and white.
Most white men can't jump....most
Ahh those were the days.

 

[mojorizen7]

When has that EVER worked? That's right. NEVER.

Besides, even if that was an option, the Players Union would never, ever, EVER stand by and let it happen. EVER!

He was serious? Hmmm.

 

[Darth Llama]

You have to watch a full game to see what I am talking about here. For example, the Celtics game where we lost recently we were getting killed big time by letting them grab offensive rebounds. After the first quarter Amare had 1 total rebound. That is just crazy with his size and the position he plays he should have at least four. The problem was Garnett was playing him really physical, pushing him, fighting for position, talking, pulling and Amare did not match it. It seems to me like he gets lazy out there. He never boxes out! How are you going to catch a rebound if you don't block out and put your body on someone? I am 6'3" but can not dunk I am able to get rebounds, consistently, from guys that our bigger than me and that can dunk simply because I think when I play, and I keep my body on you all the time. No matter how high someone can jump if you are close to them, boxing out that wont be too much of an advantage.
They have to get that mesage across. Just too much talent on this team to lose games because of lack of effort.

Ok, lets anylize this argument a little.

How many threads are there about how the Suns don't get calls? The bulk of Suns fans seem to feel that the Suns don't get the benefit of the calls that other superstars have. So with that in mind, you want Amare to go more physical against a guy like Garnett? Being a number one option as a big is a tough job in the NBA. Play in the paint is very physical on both sides, and fouls are racked up rather quickly. Amare is the teams "go to guy" during the first 3 and a half quarters. Yes, clutch time goes to someone like Nash, but Amare carries the team on his back the rest of the time. That being the case, he can't always be as physical as some want. You can't scream that Amare doesn't get calls then in the same breath say you want him to be more physical.

I have been bashed before for saying I don't think Amare gives 100% on defense. I think he's a great player, but my complaint with him was that he just didn't seem to care about defense at times. I would like to see him up his effort to get in position to distract or disrupt a play, but being more physical early in games might not be a good idea for him. I do agree that he could do a better job boxing out, and he could up his rebound total a little. However, you can't judge him by how many rebounds he gets compared to the power forward on the other team. Most teams don't have the luxury of a guy like Shaq at the 5 and most of their rebounds come from their forward. On the Suns, the Center is their primary rebounder, or so it seems. I'm no expert on the Suns by any means, but it appears to me that Amare's job on the Suns is to score the ball, and he does that quite well.

 

[capologist]

you're 6'3" and CAN'T dunk?

Just like Steve Nash. Not bad company.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Nash "doesnt" dunk.

If he had to win a bet or something he could dunk.

 

[KANIDJA]

Ok, lets anylize this argument a little.

How many threads are there about how the Suns don't get calls? The bulk of Suns fans seem to feel that the Suns don't get the benefit of the calls that other superstars have. So with that in mind, you want Amare to go more physical against a guy like Garnett? Being a number one option as a big is a tough job in the NBA. Play in the paint is very physical on both sides, and fouls are racked up rather quickly. Amare is the teams "go to guy" during the first 3 and a half quarters. Yes, clutch time goes to someone like Nash, but Amare carries the team on his back the rest of the time. That being the case, he can't always be as physical as some want. You can't scream that Amare doesn't get calls then in the same breath say you want him to be more physical.

I have been bashed before for saying I don't think Amare gives 100% on defense. I think he's a great player, but my complaint with him was that he just didn't seem to care about defense at times. I would like to see him up his effort to get in position to distract or disrupt a play, but being more physical early in games might not be a good idea for him. I do agree that he could do a better job boxing out, and he could up his rebound total a little. However, you can't judge him by how many rebounds he gets compared to the power forward on the other team. Most teams don't have the luxury of a guy like Shaq at the 5 and most of their rebounds come from their forward. On the Suns, the Center is their primary rebounder, or so it seems. I'm no expert on the Suns by any means, but it appears to me that Amare's job on the Suns is to score the ball, and he does that quite well.

Only time Amare plays defense is when he jumps up to block a shot. He does not fight for the position consistently which is a problem because when he does they call him for foul because he is too agressive. To play defene you really have to use your head while on offense is mostly your physical ability. No wonder Amare excels on the offensive end.
Yes they did bring Shaq in to cover for Amare's definciencies but he Amare has to at least make an effort. Plus, you can't let other people push you around because this game is mental as well and that is advantage you can't afford to give to other people. When Shaq's knocks someone on the ground you don't see people getting in his face (unless their name is Joel Pryzbilla) because they know Shaq will not back down. I rarely see people trying to block Amare shots when going in for a dunk (because they know next morning they will make a great poster in someone's room). I just hope that D'Antoni stresses importance of this to him. I see no reason why he can't be an excellent defender and rebounder.


In my defense, as far as not dunking, i have to say i like to stay grounded to avoid a serious injury

 

[Phade]

nash can def dunk if he wants too i'd bet..

 

[Phade]

here's an article on Nash in the June 16, 2005 issue of Rolling Stone, titled "Thinkin Man's Point Guard". Here's a little piece from it...

"Can I dunk? I can, but it's not that pretty, and I haven't for awhile," Nash confesses. "You can say I can't dunk in the article if it makes it more interesting. I wouldn't be offended."

So there you go, the man claims he can dunk.

 

[DeAnna]

Me thinks someone overreacted at halftime.

 

[95pro]

nash DOES dunk. iirc, last fall there were some stories/reporting about how nash was dunking in practice.

or maybe that was last year, 06-07.

 

[95pro]

There's no excuse for that.
Back in the day(my basketball playing mid 20's) i could get the top half of my fingers over the rim and i'm all of 5'8"...........and white.
Most white men can't jump....most
Ahh those were the days.

in high school, all 5'9'' of me could grab the rim. and i wasnt anything like a hardcore athlete.
now 5'11", now 40lbs heavier, i can still touch the rim, but i'm pretty out of basketball-shape.