Some Thoughts from Watching the Coaches' Tape

[Russ Smith]

Seems like the guy in the middle(Floyd?) is open but it's one of those plays where you have to throw over a LB and in front of a safety. Palmer would take that throw everytime, I suspect Stanton would too. But my guess is Thomas knows he does not have the touch passing skill(yet) to make that throw and is afraid to try and gun it in there because it's the classic overthrow and get picked by the safety throw.

It is odd as you said, that's a full 10 yard drop with a ton of room to step up. They mentioned that sort of on the telecast but you really illustrate it, there's not too many LT's that can block Ware one on one if the QB drops that deep and doesn't step up.

It's the exact type of play young QB's make.

I haven't seen any good shots of the TD throw but it sure looked like Floyd ran the wrong route leading an extra defender there. Thomas threw it anyways which surprised both the guy covering Ellington and the guy covering Floyd. It was a perfectly placed ball but again it's almost always going to be batted away or intercepted, it appeared to be complete due to surprise, they couldn't believe he would actually throw that ball so they didn't react when he did.

 

[THESMEL]

Wo Wo Wo Wo - Our running game is in trouble because our back up QB is asked to throw 3/4 of the is time in the first couple 1/4s. Our starting RB is great but small, he's the lightning without a thunder, like in a vacuum.

I blame this squarely on BASK! We can't run more if we want too!( and BA doesn't) we aint got the stable for it! All the top Backs dropped to the 3rd round in the draft, and we took a 6th round WR. In the NFCW! That's nuts!

 

[Chaz]

I think they tried to run plenty. I have to give Denver credit but the guards struggled big time.

 

[Matt L]

Do we know who the starting QB will be on Sunday?

 

[BigRedRage]

Do we know who the starting QB will be on Sunday?

nope.

 

[kerouac9]

I haven't seen any good shots of the TD throw but it sure looked like Floyd ran the wrong route leading an extra defender there. Thomas threw it anyways which surprised both the guy covering Ellington and the guy covering Floyd. It was a perfectly placed ball but again it's almost always going to be batted away or intercepted, it appeared to be complete due to surprise, they couldn't believe he would actually throw that ball so they didn't react when he did.

Lucky for you, I did a full All-22 write-up of the TD throw. Terrible decision, good results.

Do we know who the starting QB will be on Sunday?

The announcers said that Palmer was going to spend Monday in Denver working with Manning's nerve specialist. Players were off yesterday, and it's difficult to believe that the coaching staff is building its game plan hoping that Stanton is going to pass his concussion test (administered today) for the game.

I'd assume that the plan is that Logan Thomas is going to start.

 

[CFLredzoned]

You have to wonder what kind of coaching is involved when it comes to an OT grabbing and taking a holding penalty to avoid his QB getting blown up. I know I've seen Valdheer do it twice - once in regular season, maybe the other time in preseason. But he has no problem doing it, where Massie seems apprehensive about it. That makes me think it's an unspoken thing that maybe has more to do with seniority - combined with how many times you get beat. As long as it doesn't happen too many times, the coaches understand the sacrifice. I guess Massie doesn't feel like he's earned that yet.

You can also argue whether it's a smart thing to do. There were a couple cases early on where Palmer got blown up, but escaped to throw a first down. If somebody held, those game-altering plays would have been negated. It goes both ways.

 

[kerouac9]

Whoa. I just watched a play (4:53 in the 1st quarter) where Kevin Minter did nothing at all but bounce in place for the entire action.

 

[SO91]

Whoa. I just watched a play (4:53 in the 1st quarter) where Kevin Minter did nothing at all but bounce in place for the entire action.

Gyfcat that K9

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[kerouac9]

Gyfcat that K9

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I have no idea how to do this. Completely mystifed.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Whoa. I just watched a play (4:53 in the 1st quarter) where Kevin Minter did nothing at all but bounce in place for the entire action.

I've got a plan to remedy that situation...Desmond Bishop

 

[Darkside]

You have to wonder what kind of coaching is involved when it comes to an OT grabbing and taking a holding penalty to avoid his QB getting blown up. I know I've seen Valdheer do it twice - once in regular season, maybe the other time in preseason. But he has no problem doing it, where Massie seems apprehensive about it. That makes me think it's an unspoken thing that maybe has more to do with seniority - combined with how many times you get beat. As long as it doesn't happen too many times, the coaches understand the sacrifice. I guess Massie doesn't feel like he's earned that yet.

You can also argue whether it's a smart thing to do. There were a couple cases early on where Palmer got blown up, but escaped to throw a first down. If somebody held, those game-altering plays would have been negated. It goes both ways.

I think when Massie gets beat he's beat so badly he can't recover even enough to grab jersey. Veldheer probably knows the moment he drops, kicks, or slides whether he's beat or not.

 

[SO91]

I have no idea how to do this. Completely mystifed.

I don't have the access to the All-22 film, but you'll need something like FRAPS to record the video, then upload to something like gyfcat, or another gif generator website to create it. Gyfcat is cool because you can pause, reverse, or slow down the playback, plus you use less bandwidth. I don't think we can embed the file directly on this site like you're able to with a gif.

http://www.fraps.com/

or another option:
http://makeagif.com/video-to-gif

 

[ajcardfan]

For what it's worth, those of you who have been mocking Logan Thomas' 81 yard TD pass to Ellington, might want to take a look at the disection of that play by three of the Cardinals involved in that play. So much for saying Thomas only looks at the target receiver, and that it was simply a lucky throw. Thomas says he looked straight down field, then to the flat to confuse the 'D'. He then put it where only Ellington could have caught it. The cover guy was shielded by Ellington on the throw and probably didn't even know it was coming. Ellington saw it thrown, but momentarily lost it in the sun. He readjusted as the ball came into his area to make the catch, and had nothing but daylight ahead of him. He knew he was going to score, and was surprised to see Mike Floyd take out a safety on the play. You can see this article on the Card's official site.

Do you really think Thomas is going to say:"Well, that was a lucky pass." even if that was actually the case? Of course not.

Now, the facts are he was 1-8. While the WRs had a terrible game and had a couple of drops with Thomas, the rest of the throws, well, sucked. He also was too ready to stop looking at WRs and see where he could run.

Lucky throw, period.

That said, I hope he gets a bunch more of lucky plays on Sunday. We need it.

 

[az240zz]

Wow all this mashing of a 3rd string QB WHO WASN'T EXPECTED TO PLAY THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!.

AS to how good or bad Stanton is, he's a back up QB who won 2 of 3 games. Not many back ups are doing this in the NFL.

 

[D-Dogg]

Seems like the logical play was to have Carlson dive at Miller's knee and injure him.

This is the post of the week, IMO.