Somebody give me a comprehensive plan.

[Jetstream Green]

I think if Kyler played for an opposing team this year, he would tear this defense up. The fact that Rallis made this defense appear to be NFL caliber at times with the talent on the DL and our lack of pass rushers, is mystifying

 

[slanidrac16]

I think if Kyler played for an opposing team this year, he would tear this defense up. The fact that Rallis made this defense appear to be NFL caliber at times with the talent on the DL and our lack of pass rushers, is mystifying

Kyler is going to be Kyler no matter where he plays. The blueprint is out. Defenses know Kyler can’t beat them from the pocket.

 

[FB94]

Kyler is going to be Kyler no matter where he plays. The blueprint is out. Defenses know Kyler can’t beat them from the pocket.

Yep, it is has been accurate thus far. Contain rush lanes, play two deep safeties and force the dink and dunk. Eventually he will make a mistake

 

[GatorAZ]

Everyone is getting one more year y’all.

 

[ajcardfan]

All of that sounds great but doesn't solve the Kyler problem.

For next year we can't change and improve QB barring a lightning in a bottle miracle. You have got to build a top defense for next year which is way more realistic than getting an upgrade on Kyler.

Top needs: DT/DE and LB.

White and Wilson and B list LBs, although they can still have a role.

 

[oaken1]

Appreciate your input. But do you think guys like Rudolph or Mariotta would be better?
There isn’t much out there. Fields was run out of Chicago and we are seeing he wasn’t the problem. Could he be resurrected like Mayfield or Darnold?

He could. But guys who are running quarterbacks tend to want to run. We see it with kyler where he starts to run and then suddenly looks down field again and throws the ball.
Why go after a guy who has to fight his instincts to run the offense our staff wants to run? Why not just get a guy that already plays that style of ball?
It ain't our money...and the team can absorb kylers hit, sign a more expensive guy, and still likely get all the free agents they were gonna get this year anyway.

 

[slanidrac16]

For next year we can't change and improve QB barring a lightning in a bottle miracle. You have got to build a top defense for next year which is way more realistic than getting an upgrade on Kyler.

Top needs: DT/DE and LB.

White and Wilson and B list LBs, although they can still have a role.

In the last 7 games it was said the Cardinals were 2nd in points allowed.
I keep hearing how this defense has over performed. But this offense has been down right pathetic.

 

[Red Dawn]

Pick a new favorite team….

Kyler might end up on it lol

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

True. But I find it really hard to believe this franchise is going to move on from Kyler. We will probably stick with Kyler until he becomes a free agent in 2027.

Sad but true.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

In the last 7 games it was said the Cardinals were 2nd in points allowed.
I keep hearing how this defense has over performed. But this offense has been down right pathetic.

30 points for the offense in the last two games though Slan. 22 vs. a good MIN defense which wasn't terrible.

The defense though, has now given up 30 in two of the last three.

But the bottom line is the offense, particularly K1, choked again in crunch time today. That's why we lost.

We needed Kyler and the offense to win a shootout. Last team with the ball. And they failed. Again.

 

[slanidrac16]

30 points for the offense in the last two games though Slan. 22 vs. a good MIN defense which wasn't terrible.

The defense though, has now given up 30 in two of the last three.

But the bottom line is the offense, particularly K1, choked again in crunch time today. That's why we lost.

We needed Kyler and the offense to win a shootout. Last team with the ball. And they failed. Again.

I’m not saying the defense doesn’t need help. But even this defense stepped up 3 times at the end forcing punts and putting the ball in Kyler’s hands and he couldn’t do it.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

For next year we can't change and improve QB barring a lightning in a bottle miracle. You have got to build a top defense for next year which is way more realistic than getting an upgrade on Kyler.

Top needs: DT/DE and LB.

White and Wilson and B list LBs, although they can still have a role.

I understand that & you are 100% right, we need all of that & I hope Monti can make the defense better. We need a dominant DL. We'll just have to deal with the boneheaded plays Kyler makes. Right now watching TB play Dallas, I'd take Baker over Kyler & he makes just as many boneheaded plays, well, maybe in the past but not as much now.

 

[slanidrac16]

I understand that & you are 100% right, we need all of that & I hope Monti can make the defense better. We need a dominant DL. We'll just have to deal with the boneheaded plays Kyler makes. Right now watching TB play Dallas, I'd take Baker over Kyler & he makes just as many boneheaded plays, well, maybe in the past but not as much now.

The difference is baker gets knocked down and gets up pissed off. Kyler goes to the bench and puts a towel over his head.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

The difference is baker gets knocked down and gets up pissed off. Kyler goes to the bench and puts a towel over his head.

Baker Mayfield is a tough MF

 

[Northern Cardinal]

That is kind of how i ended up here...

 

[cardcrazy]

1) Fire Petzing and get an OC that will design an offense that suits Murray.
2) Make edge rushers and DL a priority (draft/free agency)
3) O Linemen
4) Trade for a top WR

 

[slanidrac16]

1) Fire Petzing and get an OC that will design an offense that suits Murray.
2) Make edge rushers and DL a priority (draft/free agency)
3) O Linemen
4) Trade for a top WR

Appreciate your input. I don’t think there’s an offense that suits Murray. You can’t role him out all the time and we had one of the better running games.
He still has to read and throw to the right receiver and he’s got to be able to do that from the pocket, which he can’t.

 

[Solar7]

Either sign a QB to compete with Kyler, or draft one, like Ewers, if he falls to the 2nd. Kyler is no longer allowed to just sit back and own the position. Use the existing cap space to add a pass rusher or two.

Draft for defense. No more adding guys so Kyler gets more excuses, he can't throw anyone open. I'm fine with adding more linemen though, become a running offense.

I'm okay with keeping Petzing, but would prefer to move on from him if someone more proven at OC is available.

Beg Kyler to leave for the A's.

 

[oaken1]

But from everything I’ve read here, moving on from him now is cheaper than 2026. If we are going to move on it appears now is better than later.

Have to trade him before march. I forget the date but in March his entire salary for 2026 becomes guaranteed...would be nice if the acquiring team has time to try and negotiate a new deal with him before that goes into effect

 

[cardpa]

All I can come up with is in 2025 be Awful for Allar. Draft Allar in 2026. If anyone watched PSU against SMU you can see that Allar ha the makings of a NFL QB. His decision to return for his senior year was a smart move for more seasoning.

 

[DVontel]

If anyone watched PSU against SMU you can see that Allar ha the makings of a NFL QB.

What an odd game to use considering he was bad in that game.

 

[PDXChris]

Cooper Rush is a FA!?

8-4 career as a starter.

Unfortunately, Kyler is here through next year. Let's them fight for the job next year and see what happens.

 

[Chopper0080]

What an odd game to use considering he was bad in that game.

I agree that I didn't see anything particularly special about his play in that game. Almost reinforced his need to go back for another year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

1) Fire Petzing and get an OC that will design an offense that suits Murray.

What mythical offense is this? One where he gets out of the pocket and makes throws on the run… like the atrocious Pick 6 against Seattle… or the ABOMINABLE interception that was called back against the Pats… or today’s two-fer atrocious pick late in the 4th quarter or how about the ball he bounced in the dirt to Higgins?

He is a mid QB, who chokes more under pressure than any high profile QB I’ve ever seen.

 

[HairZach]

Seriously. Not a rant. What would you do moving forward?
Honestly, every road I go down there’s a roadblock.
Can we move on from Kyler?
If yes, then who? A free agent? Who?
Draft? Is there a rookie qb that we could plug in and ride with like Bo Nix? But if we draft one in the first round there goes our pass rusher we need or does that come through free agency?
Do we stick with Kyler because Petzing is the problem? So was Kliff, right.
Is Petzing the problem?

Things seem to be on the upswing coming into this season. MHJ was going to solidify the wr room.
Kyler was 100% healthy with a full year of learning this offense.
Our running game was awesome.

Now I feel we are stuck in quicksand and years from reaching the playoffs.

I know it’s early with two games left but I want to see some dynamic moves. But what?

The key forward is just pretend that MHJ isn't here, that he doesn't exist, that he never existed. The only 1st round pick we had last year was Darius Robinson, whose rookie season was marred by injury. For some reason Monti completely neglected the WR room and thats why 2024 sucked. The plan going forward is to sign a WR1 in free agency and load up on DL in an excellent DL draft.

Kyler is still Kyler, but maybe with a good secondary (primary?) receiving option to McBride he will have an easier time. It turns out Michael Wilson wasn't a steal in the 3rd round, and Dortch is still just Dortch. Darnold was below mediocre for years and looked amazing with 2 elite receiving options, maybe it could happen to Kyler?

The running game is still great, the secondary is developing nicely. Robinson will be more impactful next season, BJ Ojulari will recover from his ACL and turn into a nice pass rusher. We might even be able to sign his brother Azeez.

If we sign a serious difference maker at WR I will be optimistic next year, "he who shall not be named" can be stuck as the sacrificial X and run go routes all game since his straight line speed seems to be the only thing he has going for him. If we go into the next season with the non existent, imaginary entity as our WR1 I will be the biggest doomer on this board.

Other teams have come back from worse than missing on the #4 pick. Broncos traded 2 1st and 2 2nds for Russ only to release him and eat 85 mill in dead cap. In the mean time we can just pretend that in 2024 we can pick #27 as our only rounder, it makes the whole thing less psychologically painful.