Somebody please explain the 4, 5, 6 win predictions for next year.

[SECTION 11]

We lost the two biggest detriments to our offense, Plummer and Olson. NO WAY does losing Boston even come close to countering horrible play calling and horrible QB play. The QB is the most important position on the field, and ours last year turned the rock over 29 times. Almost as many turnovers as Boston had catches (31).

No amount of deductive reasoning could possibly conclude that again this year 26.3% of our roster will end up on IR.
How many games would this team have won if healthy last year?

How is Emmitt and Shipp NOT better than Jones and Shipp?

How is a +35 TD/INT QB not an up grade from a -24 TD/INT QB? Correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers. That's from memory.

Is this not one of the fastest defense the Cardinals have ever had in AZ?

Tell me we didn't upgrade RB, FB, QB, OL depth, LB depth, FS, DE and will likely see improvement out of DT, SS and OLB?

Somebody convince me that our time of possession won't go up and our turnovers won't go down?


This will get us one more win? That's absolutely insane.

 

[SECTION 11]

C'mon dammit. Somebody argue with me.

 

[Mrospi]

That's why we are getting good odds in Vegas!!! shhhhh!!!!!!

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I hate cantaloupe!

I hear you're a big cantaloupe fan!

I think you suck!

 

[PortlandCardFan]

That is one half full glass!


I agree with you.... I don't see how we can go 5 or 6 wins. I think we will get between 7-9 wins possibly even 10. I think our year will start out slow and by the end of the year we will be kickin the crap outta good teams (ya know... the team starts clickin).

I would much end the season strong then start the season strong. Because IF (notice big I and F) we can make it to the playoffs we will be that much better off.


I know... I know.... my glass is overflowing with the Card Kool-aid.

Ya know what? I LIKE IT!!

 

[AZ1766]

here is my attempt section, but first my disclaimer from the darkside. I am not a member.


no chemistry-to many new players, and caoches. unfamiliar with other players tendencies.

recievers- unfamiliar with Blake, Blake passes, with timing at this level, route calling (verbage mostly), check offs, reading defenses, again I ma saying at the NFL level.

lack of a PROVEN defensive super star-(that coudl be taken either way).

Wendell Bryant- no sure signals of his development.

all the free agents we signed had (in somes opinion) more talent around them and were not the BIG playmakers.


Goodness I hope we get some new news soon!!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
How is a +35 TD/INT QB not an up grade from a -24 TD/INT QB? Correct me if I'm wrong on the numbers. That's from memory.

Is this not one of the fastest defense the Cardinals have ever had in AZ?

Tell me we didn't upgrade RB, FB, QB, OL depth, LB depth, FS, DE and will likely see improvement out of DT, SS and OLB?

Somebody convince me that our time of possession won't go up and our turnovers won't go down?


This will get us one more win? That's absolutely insane.

Blake is +36 not 35. There's your damn argument (-:

I agree and look at the schedule. Anything can happen of course who saw the Rams collapse last year the or the Patriots Super Bowl the year before, but I certainly expect us to be better this year.

I don't really worry about time of possession that much, it's largely an "after the fact" stat IMHO. People always say teams with 100 yard rushers win more games than teams with 300 yard passers, that's because teams that are ahead run the ball, not pass the ball. In other words it's not always that they won because they ran, it's often they ran because they were ahead. Time of possession falls into the same trap if you're ahead, you run, and that takes time off the clock.

What I think we will do FAR less this year is repeats of last years Raiders game where Jake kept giving the ball to the Raiders.

Or the 49er game where we were clearly on the ropes against their offense and everytime the defense got off the field, turnover and they were right back out there. The demoralization effect simply can't be measured.

At some point I have to believe the whole defense is saying "oh crap not again" and that's why we've had so many collapses during Jake's tenure here.

My one concern with Blake as I stated in the other thread is he's 33 and he didn't have a "great" year last year 13 TD and 11 picks.
Blake threw a pick every 26.8 attempts last year, Jake one every 26.5. In his career Blake is just one every 34 attempts so last year was a bit off.

Of course he threw a td every 22.6 attempts last year, better than his career average of 23.7.

Jake career is one pick every 24.15 attempts, one TD every 30.6
attempts, so Blake is clearly a better QB over his career, I just don't know how close to the downside he is? I suspect we're ok for 2-3 years if we need him.

 

[SECTION 11]

Ok, just so I'm sure here...

1) Chemistry isn't a problem with a crap quarterback like Tommy Maddox coming off the bench, but it WILL be a problem with a guy like Blake who gets an entire camp and preseason to work with the offense.

2) Rookie receivers forget how to catch, block and run routes due to the tremedous pressure of going through the NFL draft.

 

[AZ1766]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Ok, just so I'm sure here...

1) Chemistry isn't a problem with a crap quarterback like Tommy Maddox coming off the bench, but it WILL be a problem with a guy like Blake who gets an entire camp and preseason to work with the offense.

2) Rookie receivers forget how to catch, block and run routes due to the tremedous pressure of going through the NFL draft.

You feel better.....

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Re: Re: Somebody please explain the 4, 5, 6 win predictions for next year.

Originally posted by Russ Smith

I just don't know how close to the downside he is? I suspect we're ok for 2-3 years if we need him.

Eternal optimist here.... but couldn't that go the other way as well?

Ala Rich Gannon.

 

[AZ1766]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Ok, just so I'm sure here...

1) Chemistry isn't a problem with a crap quarterback like Tommy Maddox coming off the bench, but it WILL be a problem with a guy like Blake who gets an entire camp and preseason to work with the offense.

2) Rookie receivers forget how to catch, block and run routes due to the tremedous pressure of going through the NFL draft.

Section, I agree with you but I think you wanted to vent a little so, I feed back the stuff I have read about how bad we are.... thats all.
Except that I forgot, that Emmit is washed up...... and Ship is a one yard wonder....never to be heard form again, mainly because he will sulk on the side lines, because he is backign up the washed up Emmit.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by AZ1766
Section, I agree with you but I think you wanted to vent a little so, I feed back the stuff I have read about how bad we are.... thats all.
Except that I forgot, that Emmit is washed up...... and Ship is a one yard wonder....never to be heard form again, mainly because he will sulk on the side lines, because he is backign up the washed up Emmit.

I actually wrote that before I saw your post 1766!
Yer a good man. Thanks for the vent material!

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Ok, just so I'm sure here...

1) Chemistry isn't a problem with a crap quarterback like Tommy Maddox coming off the bench, but it WILL be a problem with a guy like Blake who gets an entire camp and preseason to work with the offense.

2) Rookie receivers forget how to catch, block and run routes due to the tremedous pressure of going through the NFL draft.

First, my disclaimer. I believe the Cards will win 7-8 games (probably 7). I think the biggest single obstacle right now is the fact that philosophies and schemes are changing on both sides of the ball...supposedly. If that is fact, then there is going to be a learning curve and the offensive and defensive units will only be as good as the slowest starter picking up their assignments.

Chemistry is important but it is unclear right now how it may impact the development of the offense. The way it sounds to me, Blake is taking these youngsters and getting some "unorganized" practices going. If that pans out, then the chemistry should be decent by the time camp starts. I am not worried about it being there.

 

[who_me?]

I wish I could argue with you, I really do! But I'm a half full guy myself so, I'm pretty optimistic.

The only thing that I can think about is, what kind of improvements did those on our schedule make? I was never one to go for that easy schedule BUNK! What may look like an easy schedule according to last years records may end up being games against all playoff teams at the end of the season.

But like I said, I'm a half full guy, the only problem as of late, is the frickin gremlins that keep on drilling a hole in the bottom of my cup!!!!

 

[SECTION 11]

IF:
Our QB had no arm and was prone to making poor decisions.
We had no speed at receiver.

THEN:
I could see defenses opening up Stack in the Box franchises in front of us every game.

FORTUNATELY:
Neither of those things are true.

 

[Mrospi]

My take is that this team can go as far as it wants to go......there isn't any reason we can't be the next surprise team like Baltimore or New England to win it all. It just takes hard work, the right attitude, a little luck, and keeping our guys healthy....It's the Cardinals year to shock the world!!!!!!!!!!! We are due!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[conraddobler]

The answer is everyone is just too jaded from past experience and previous attempts to be optimistic to properly judge this team.

Think about it every year some of us say 10-6 blah blah blah and every year they never even get close.

Really it's all about the QB more than anything we lose Lomax then it has been just crap since then utter crap.

I think Boomer would have been good had he been about 2 years younger and the starter other than that it has been bleak.

Plummer was so awful in the first half I seriously don't think our fans even remember that you can score and play football in that quarter too not just spot the other team a lead.

We played the first half like college teams play overtime lets just see how much we have to score to win this thing..

Somebody just remember to wake up the scorekeeper he probably wont get used to having to do his job the whole game until week 3 or 4.

 

[Russ Smith]

Re: Re: Re: Somebody please explain the 4, 5, 6 win predictions for next year.

Originally posted by PortlandCardFan
Eternal optimist here.... but couldn't that go the other way as well?

Ala Rich Gannon.

Probably. I'd have to look, my first pass is Gannon played less than Blake so his arm had more left. Plus, he's not a strong arm guy to begin with so it was easier for him to adapt as he got older than it will be for Blake?

Blake was my first choice so I'm thrilled we have him.

I wish people were raving about McCown in camp but so far I am reading he looks much more polished. I'm just a bit concerned, if Blake gets hurt that we'll be lining up Boldin at QB by the end of the year!

 

[AZ1766]

Originally posted by AZ1766
Section, I agree with you but I think you wanted to vent a little so, I feed back the stuff I have read about how bad we are.... thats all.
Except that I forgot, that Emmit is washed up...... and Ship is a one yard wonder....never to be heard form again, mainly because he will sulk on the side lines, because he is backign up the washed up Emmit.

After reading this again, I thought I shoudl explain.......I truly hate proof reading!!!!! But I better learn to like it soon, jjeeezzz.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by AZ1766
After reading this again, I thought I shoudl explain.......I truly hate proof reading!!!!! But I better learn to like it soon, jjeeezzz.

Actually the one yard wonder was Thomas Jones!

 

[AZ1766]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Actually the one yard wonder was Thomas Jones!

you are too funny man, have a good night!!!!

 

[SECTION 11]

If this team, barring a rediculous amount of injuries, only wins six games I will tatoo "I love Tango" on one cheek and "I love NEM" on the other.

 

[brews]

Section 11, what record did you predict last year?

 

[RLakin]

This is an argument I see a lot of these days. You've got to keep in mind that in today's NFL every team is trying to get better, and after every season they address "needs" and problem areas from a season ago. Therefore, every team should see an improvement. But they don't. They don't because every team in football is doing exactly the same, and everybody can't finish 10-6.
For example, my dad is a big Chiefs fan and is always telling me this summer that the Chiefs are much improved on defense and should, therefore, be the team to beat in the AFC West. That may come true, but he also needs to realize that San Diego will be better on offense, and others in the conference and division have addressed weak spots as well. Because of this different problems will arise with these very teams. Problems that they didn't see coming, which will then be addressed during the following off-season. And so the cycle continues.
What you have to realize as an objectionable football fan is that no matter what changes you make during the off-season your team is not going to be perfect. It's the ones that have less imperfections than others that make the playoffs and win Super Bowls. And there’s no way of knowing for sure what those imperfections will be.
So, therefore, it's really a fruitless argument to say that the problems that have been addressed will lead to more wins just because they are an improvement over last years. You’re comparing your team with a stagnant NFL, which is very much not the case. So yes, the 2003 Cardinals would probably be a better football team if they were playing the 2002 season with 2002's teams all over again. But they're not. The league has changed and new teams will change based upon the changes they made and matched up to other teams who also made changes.
Now that I've set the record for the word "changes" in a single sentence, we'll see if this changes anything.

 

[Mrospi]

The Best thing about this off-season, I actually think we got rid of all the guys that fumble.......Plummer, TJ, Martay....heck even Boston & Sanders put the ball on the turf to much......hopefully our current guys will take care of it.... I can't think of one that has a rep for fumbling