Someone help me out on this Dolphin thing

[Jetstream Green]

I know my stance on Tannehill stinks as a first round pick has been widely stated by me but what are the Dolphins thinking, or are they thinking at all? From what I gather, they honestly think they are for the most part going to run the A&M offense with their coach and succeed in the NFL where as the Aggie offense was a complete failure in the college ranks. I started to speak to my brother inlaw who is a huge Dolphin fan and he did not even want to talk about the Dolphins. He said he did not want to talk about a season which is basically already over with. The Dolphins have a plan, but for once I feel I can state that the Cardinals look like freaking genius compared to other franchises. Wait, they do have the best LB in the NFL, well at least that is what Dansby believes

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I have no idea if Ryan will be successful in the NFL, but I thought the knock on A&M was their defense. The offense put up plenty of points, the last couple of years. Who knows...I could have been watching Prairie View A&M.

 

[Phrazbit]

Big 12 defenses > NFL defense. They'll be fine.

 

[Jetstream Green]

then that explains why Big 12 QBs light them up, but then again...Big 12 QBs tend to stink in the NFL LOL

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

then that explains why Big 12 QBs light them up, but then again...Big 12 QBs tend to stink in the NFL LOL

You couldn't even name the last Big 12 QB to win a playoff game lol.

 

[JeffGollin]

Anytime a pro team departs from the herd mentalty and thinks outside the box, I think it's good for football and more entertaining for the fans.

Tebow in Denver & now the Jets. Cam Newton in Carolina. RG3 starting as a rookie in DC. And a high po newbie running the A&M offense in Miami. Maybe most or all of them will flop, but "no guts; no glory."

 

[THESMEL]

I thinks fish stinks. about sums it up?

Reggie Bush? Dansby? I never count an NFL team out, we blew out the Dolphins in early 2008 - I thought they were a pretty good team, played alot better than even in that loss thanthe news reported. they ended up in the playoffs that year.

Sparano's quote after that game endeared me to him, He said, " sometimes a team runs into some adversity, and we ran into some Adversity right here!"

Lets see what the fish do before we throw dirt on them, The Jets, Patriots and Bills are vulnerable, and I like what Miami has done to compete in that division. Tannerhill be protected like a rookie QB should be, not all Whizzed on like we do.

 

[PACardsFan]

I know my stance on Tannehill stinks as a first round pick has been widely stated by me but what are the Dolphins thinking, or are they thinking at all? From what I gather, they honestly think they are for the most part going to run the A&M offense with their coach and succeed in the NFL where as the Aggie offense was a complete failure in the college ranks. I started to speak to my brother inlaw who is a huge Dolphin fan and he did not even want to talk about the Dolphins. He said he did not want to talk about a season which is basically already over with. The Dolphins have a plan, but for once I feel I can state that the Cardinals look like freaking genius compared to other franchises. Wait, they do have the best LB in the NFL, well at least that is what Dansby believes

All you have to do is look at the braintrust that owns the Dolphins. If they're making ANY decisions, then the Dolphins are doomed.

 

[Jetstream Green]

All you have to do is look at the braintrust that owns the Dolphins. If they're making ANY decisions, then the Dolphins are doomed.

I think we have a winner lol

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Weren't A&M's problems in the 2nd half of games? They would put up about 25-30 in the 1st half and 7-10 in the 2nd. To me, that reeks of a gimmick offense and good teams shut them down once they adjusted. I put Tanneyhill in the same class as Blaine Gabbert, neither should have been drafted that high.

 

[Duckjake]

You couldn't even name the last Big 12 QB to win a playoff game lol.

Strange but true department: Michael Vick (I think) is the only QB who played in a BCS Championship game to have played in the SB. Matt Leinart was on the sidelines for one but didn't play.

QBs come from everywhere. Mississippi, California, Purdue, Miami (Ohio), Southern Mississippi, Tennessee, Michigan... Everywhere but the Big 12. The Big 12 is where you want to look for Defensive players.

Our most successful QBs came from Southern Illinois, Portland State and Northern Iowa. Maybe that's where we should be looking for a franchise QB? Second tier FCS schools. Hmm...Southern, Northern??? Who is the QB for East Carolina?

 

[Phrazbit]

Strange but true department: Michael Vick (I think) is the only QB who played in a BCS Championship game to have played in the SB. Matt Leinart was on the sidelines for one but didn't play.

QBs come from everywhere. Mississippi, California, Purdue, Miami (Ohio), Southern Mississippi, Tennessee, Michigan... Everywhere but the Big 12. The Big 12 is where you want to look for Defensive players.

Our most successful QBs came from Southern Illinois, Portland State and Northern Iowa. Maybe that's where we should be looking for a franchise QB? Second tier FCS schools. Hmm...Southern, Northern??? Who is the QB for East Carolina?

When did Vick play in a superbowl?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Strange but true department: Michael Vick (I think) is the only QB who played in a BCS Championship game to have played in the SB. Matt Leinart was on the sidelines for one but didn't play.

QBs come from everywhere. Mississippi, California, Purdue, Miami (Ohio), Southern Mississippi, Tennessee, Michigan... Everywhere but the Big 12. The Big 12 is where you want to look for Defensive players.

Our most successful QBs came from Southern Illinois, Portland State and Northern Iowa. Maybe that's where we should be looking for a franchise QB? Second tier FCS schools. Hmm...Southern, Northern??? Who is the QB for East Carolina?

Does Fordham qualify?

 

[Duckjake]

When did Vick play in a superbowl?

You are right. Vick and Atlanta lost to the Eagles in the NFC Championship game. It was Chris Chandler who QB'd the Falcons in the SB.

So no Quarterback who has played in a BCS title game has ever played in a Super Bowl.

 

[NJCardFan]

Strange but true department: Michael Vick (I think) is the only QB who played in a BCS Championship game to have played in the SB. Matt Leinart was on the sidelines for one but didn't play.

Edit: you corrected yourself.

That said, big time school QB's rarely seem to succeed in the NFL. Hell, for some reason, USC QB's seem to get drafted high but end up total busts. Miami had a run there for a while with Kosar, Kelly, Testeverde. But look at the list of the past few SB champion QB's and where they went to school:

Eli Manning- Ole Miss
Aaron Rogers-Cal
Drew Brees-Perdue
Big Ben-Miami of OH

Not exactly NCAA power houses. And just a quick scan of Super Bowl winning teams, only Stanford has produced a SB winning QB from the Pac 10(Elway/Plunkett). Oh, forgot about Rypien who went to Washington St.

 

[Zeno]

Not exactly NCAA power houses. And just a quick scan of Super Bowl winning teams, only Stanford has produced a SB winning QB from the Pac 10(Elway/Plunkett). Oh, forgot about Rypien who went to Washington St.

You forgot about Aikman (UCLA) from the PAC 10 but in recent years it hasn't produced a winner except for Rodgers (Cal).

 

[JeffGollin]

...So no Quarterback who has played in a BCS title game has ever played in a Super Bowl.

Which means what? That, if you're a QB who's team is about to play in a BCS title game, you should (for career reasons) tell your coach you don't want to play?

Or...if you're the head-scout of an NFL team in need of a QB, you should automatically pass up drafting a great college QB if he played in a BCS title game?

As soon as you operate according to some set "rule", an exception to that rule will come back to bite you in the butt in the form of a good player you passed-up or a bad-player who never should have been drafted in the first place. Sometimes it's better to just zero in on the specific pros and cons of each individual player and let those evaluations stand on their own.

 

[Duckjake]

Which means what? That, if you're a QB who's team is about to play in a BCS title game, you should (for career reasons) tell your coach you don't want to play?

Or...if you're the head-scout of an NFL team in need of a QB, you should automatically pass up drafting a great college QB if he played in a BCS title game?

As soon as you operate according to some set "rule", an exception to that rule will come back to bite you in the butt in the form of a good player you passed-up or a bad-player who never should have been drafted in the first place. Sometimes it's better to just zero in on the specific pros and cons of each individual player and let those evaluations stand on their own.

What it means is that winning in college does not translate to winning in the NFL. Which was been mentioned a few times during this years draft coverage. So teams need to look past the hype of the top winners in college and look instead for the physical traits that translate to success in the NFL.

As for your set rule statement. You don't believe in tradition in football. I do, so we'll always disagree on things like this. New Coaches don't come in talking about having to "change the culture" for nothing.

 

[JeffGollin]

What it means is that winning in college does not translate to winning in the NFL. Which was been mentioned a few times during this years draft coverage. So teams need to look past the hype of the top winners in college and look instead for the physical traits that translate to success in the NFL.

As for your set rule statement. You don't believe in tradition in football. I do, so we'll always disagree on things like this. New Coaches don't come in talking about having to "change the culture" for nothing.

I do believe in tradition in football. But, to me, that means respecting established rules (because they may contain nuggets you can learn from) but not blindly being slave to them (because you might miss something rooted in the reality of today).

 

[Longcolts]

Not to mention that Rogers actually came from Cal- Berkley (sp)

 

[Longcolts]

Ooops My bad, I didn't realize that U of Cal had 10 campuses and Berkley was the first.

 

[Southpaw]

I know my stance on Tannehill stinks as a first round pick has been widely stated by me but what are the Dolphins thinking, or are they thinking at all? From what I gather, they honestly think they are for the most part going to run the A&M offense with their coach and succeed in the NFL where as the Aggie offense was a complete failure in the college ranks. I started to speak to my brother inlaw who is a huge Dolphin fan and he did not even want to talk about the Dolphins. He said he did not want to talk about a season which is basically already over with. The Dolphins have a plan, but for once I feel I can state that the Cardinals look like freaking genius compared to other franchises. Wait, they do have the best LB in the NFL, well at least that is what Dansby believes

The Dolphins have been a disaster of an organization since the day Wayne Huizenga stole the franchise from Joe Robbie family and publicly announced that he didn't really care about winning, but just wanted to make money. He parlayed the success of Robbie's Dolphins into a ton of money and the idiot fan base still brags about the " glory days". After sucking every penny he could out of the team, Huizenga hired Parcells to add credibility so he could sell the team off to Stephen Ross, who is a complete moron.

The Dolphins were literally forced into drafting Tannehill by default. The 3rd best QB in a two deep draft. The incredibly shrinking season ticket base needed a PR draft, so they finally drafted a 1st round QB , which they hadn't done since 1983. It is just a recipe for disaster. They will be bottom dwellers for a long time with a rookie coach, an incompetent GM and a clueless owner, not to mention a terrible roster.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Edit: you corrected yourself.

That said, big time school QB's rarely seem to succeed in the NFL. Hell, for some reason, USC QB's seem to get drafted high but end up total busts. Miami had a run there for a while with Kosar, Kelly, Testeverde. But look at the list of the past few SB champion QB's and where they went to school:

Eli Manning- Ole Miss
Aaron Rogers-Cal
Drew Brees-Perdue
Big Ben-Miami of OH

Not exactly NCAA power houses. And just a quick scan of Super Bowl winning teams, only Stanford has produced a SB winning QB from the Pac 10(Elway/Plunkett). Oh, forgot about Rypien who went to Washington St.

Yeah but all of those guys won at their level. Cal wasn't a terrible team with Rodgers at the helm, they were a top three PAC-10 team and ranked. Manning won at Ole Miss; how many QBs can claim that? Drew Brees won at Purdue. Big Ben won at Miami of OH.

It's not about level of competition; it's about the physical attributes and how they translate into winning. If a guy can throw the ball over 100 yards (Kyle Boller) but isn't accurate than he's likely to fail in the NFL. If they can't rally a loser into a winner at the college level (Jay Cutler), how are they going to do it in the NFL?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I like Tannehill, I think he's athletic and works hard, has a good arm, and is smart.

But the Dolphins are a trainwreck and I don't think he's going to win there.

 

[ryanshaug]

The Dolphins do have some good pieces (specifically, the offensive line & dansby). If Tannehill is as good as they hope, they do have a shot. It's just a long shot. But, its the NFL. You never know when something crazy is going to happen - I wouldn't count out a single team in the league, no matter how bad they look on paper.