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[spanky1]

Letting LeVar Woods and Ray Thompson go, essentially means that a position of some depth during '04, is now pretty darn naked. Sure, Hayes could move outside to WLB....leaving us with a solid LB group of Dansby; Huff and Hayes......but where is the depth? Darling is SOLID as a MLB or as a WLB from a depth perspective, but is it realistic to think that Leon Joe is an everyday LB'er at 5'11"?

Add the CB situation into the mix and we have some SUPER BIG HOLES to fix in the defensive backfield now.

They both can't be solved in the draft to be sure.......not without a heck of a lot of luck with early day two picks anyway.

I'm not certain that Green isn't looking at either Dyson or Surtain as another off season move........and is Derrick Johnson the target at #8?

Whatever......we are in for some interesting horse trading on the horizon soon.

 

[joeshmo]

but is it realistic to think that Leon Joe is an everyday LB'er at 5'11"?

Yes

 

[Pariah]

........and is Derrick Johnson the target at #8?

This is the first time this year I feel like this is a legit possibility. But, I hate that we've manufactured the need in a mere 8 hours.

 

[spanky1]

Yes

joe,

Explain.....discuss as to why......just a "yes" doesn't cut it......only arthurracoon can get away with so few words.

This is a guy who was a 4th rounder in '04 and yet the Bears let him get away.

He's a hell of a ST'er, but man oh man.......how many 5'11"/235 MLB/WLB's do you see in this league?

 

[imaCafan]

Doesn't he have like 4.5 speed???? That would at least be something.....

 

[kerouac9]

I'm not certain that Green isn't looking at either Dyson or Surtain as another off season move........and is Derrick Johnson the target at #8?

Dyson? Maybe, but not at the numbers that we've seen so far. Surtain? No. Derrick Johnson? I'm feeling inspired: And now, for quick-quoting purposes, I'd like to annouce Kerouac9's 2005 Lock of the Draft: The Arizona Cardinals will not select Derrick Johnson in the 2005 NFL Draft. We have our playmaking linebacker at less than half the cost, and his name is Karlos Dansby. You can take that to the bank. Didn't disappoint with Byron Leftwich in 2003, didn't disappoint with "no first day quarterback" in 2004. Write it in stone, gentlemen; it's not gonna happen.

The Cards got rid of two high-dollar LBs who suck (Thompson and Woods). I'm not unconviced that we can't get two undrafted free agents that contribute as much or more than they did/can. That would be a net savings against the cap, which can be used to extend Anquan Boldin.

Maybe LeVar Fisher is healthy and will come to camp?

 

[Mulli]

joe,

Explain.....discuss as to why......just a "yes" doesn't cut it......only arthurracoon can get away with so few words.

This is a guy who was a 4th rounder in '04 and yet the Bears let him get away.

He's a hell of a ST'er, but man oh man.......how many 5'11"/235 MLB/WLB's do you see in this league?

I think I can answer for Joe. YES.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Kerouac9's 2005 Lock of the Draft: The Arizona Cardinals will not select Derrick Johnson in the 2005 NFL Draft.

Wow. The first time I've actually agreed with K9!

 

[ajcardfan]

Maybe LeVar Fisher is healthy and will come to camp?

Yes he will. For the Saints!

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/031705fisher.html

 

[Pariah]

I'd like to annouce Kerouac9's 2005 Lock of the Draft: The Arizona Cardinals will not select Derrick Johnson in the 2005 NFL Draft.

Didn't you make this announcement some time ago with a little less fanfare and bolding?

 

[kerouac9]

Didn't you make this announcement some time ago with a little less fanfare and bolding?

I think I said that I was considering making it my K9LOTD, but I hadn't finalized it yet. Now, I'm ready to set it down. As usual, the cost of being wrong is not getting to make any more "LOTD"s for the next draft.

I'm glad to hear about Fisher. I hope he can catch on with the Saints. I really liked that kid.

 

[kerouac9]

Wow. The first time I've actually agreed with K9!

 

[Rats]

This is the first time this year I feel like this is a legit possibility. But, I hate that we've manufactured the need in a mere 8 hours.

I do not think we manufactured it. It was a foregone conclusion that Mac, Thompson, Young Woods never could get the job done at linebacker. It was painfully obvious when Dansby was added, just how bad the Linebackers were. Fisher was another bust pick at LB. That group could never stop the run at all. I think that this had to be fixed. Johnson at 8 would be a great place to start. Or Merriman. We tried to get Hartwell and got Huff instead. If our draft includes us signing Henry and drafting LB, Cb, and Sproles with the NE pick it would be a huge win this offseason. 1. Johnson 2. Jackson 3.Sproles 3b. Jones 4. BPA 5. BPA 7. BPA. If Jones is gone in the fourth take Collier out of Notre Dame. This would be a huge offseason win. The guys that just got cut got cut along time ago and just didn''t know it. Get guys that can and want to win. DG is getting it done.

 

[kerouac9]

Johnson at 8 would be a great place to start. ...1. Johnson

Damn, got to bust it out in the same thread:

Kerouac9's 2005 Lock of the Draft: The Arizona Cardinals will not select Derrick Johnson in the 2005 NFL Draft. We have our playmaking linebacker at less than half the cost, and his name is Karlos Dansby.

It's not going to happen. Shawne Merriman is an even less likely pick because on this team he'd be a down lineman (think Calvin Pace, only good). The sooner that we stop talking about drafting Derrick Johnson the sooner we can get excited about someone we really do have a chance at drafting.

 

[Rats]

Damn, got to bust it out in the same thread:



It's not going to happen. Shawne Merriman is an even less likely pick because on this team he'd be a down lineman (think Calvin Pace, only good). The sooner that we stop talking about drafting Derrick Johnson the sooner we can get excited about someone we really do have a chance at drafting.

The only way I see it happening is if Cleveland passes on him which could happen. He will not slip past Detroit because of Boss Bailey. And Rolle and Rogers do not excite me in the Top 10. Comments that DG made about NE winning with out top corners leads me to believe we will not take them. The running backs (If Henry is not aquired) will still be the ones we look at. But Johnson could definitly be there. We have to stop the run this year and if Johnson can help do that DG will take him. We tried to aquire Hartwell for that purpose. We did not succeed. There are reasons we were trying to strengthen this spot. The cuts today say we will continue to try to do that.

 

[kerouac9]

The only way I see it happening is if Cleveland passes on him which could happen. He will not slip past Detroit because of Boss Bailey. And Rolle and Rogers do not excite me in the Top 10. Comments that DG made about NE winning with out top corners leads me to believe we will not take them. The running backs (If Henry is not aquired) will still be the ones we look at. But Johnson could definitly be there. We have to stop the run this year and if Johnson can help do that DG will take him. We tried to aquire Hartwell for that purpose. We did not succeed. There are reasons we were trying to strengthen this spot. The cuts today say we will continue to try to do that.

You're acting like getting D. Johnson would make up for losing Hartwell. They play totally different positions! D. Johnson's weakest point is defending against the run. He's not adept at slipping blockers and is more likely to try and run-around them, which you can do in college but blockers and RBs are too good in the NFL for that to work. I think that taking Johnson would have a net-loss in defending the run, since it would take J. Darling off the field, who is pretty solid in run support.

Johnson's not there. Get used to it. And the Lions will pass on the Longhorn precisely because of Boss Bailey, not in spite of him. They have two young OLBs already in Lehman and Bailey, and they're not going to drop a seven- or eight-digit signing bonus on another one.

It Rogers, Rolle, and Jones don't excite you in the Top 10, you must not watch a lot of football. I think you're the only one that they don't.

 

[joeshmo]

joe,

Explain.....discuss as to why......just a "yes" doesn't cut it......only arthurracoon can get away with so few words.

This is a guy who was a 4th rounder in '04 and yet the Bears let him get away.

He's a hell of a ST'er, but man oh man.......how many 5'11"/235 MLB/WLB's do you see in this league?

Yes does cut it. Post #11

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=41992&highlight=Leon

Explains everything even why the Bears let him go and why it was a mistake.

And he is a OLB he only played a MLB in college. Has practiced mostly at WLB in camps and practices here but has also got time at SLB

 

[WildBB]

The only way I see it happening is if Cleveland passes on him which could happen. He will not slip past Detroit because of Boss Bailey. And Rolle and Rogers do not excite me in the Top 10. Comments that DG made about NE winning with out top corners leads me to believe we will not take them. The running backs (If Henry is not aquired) will still be the ones we look at. But Johnson could definitly be there. We have to stop the run this year and if Johnson can help do that DG will take him. We tried to aquire Hartwell for that purpose. We did not succeed. There are reasons we were trying to strengthen this spot. The cuts today say we will continue to try to do that.

Johnson's strength is not as a run stuffer. He's OK at it, but it's his speed and pursuit that set him apart. He doesn't fit this team IMO. They'll go CB. Jackson or Washington are unlikely at 44 because both will be gone more than likely. They have to go CB even though they pass on Johnson and possibly two RB's!

The only thing that alters this is if they sign one before the draft. It might be Dyson or Hill. If it's Hill they still probobly need one 1st.

 

[joeshmo]

It might be Dyson or Hill. If it's Hill they still probobly need one 1st.

Hill is gone.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Cards got rid of two high-dollar LBs who suck (Thompson and Woods). I'm not unconviced that we can't get two undrafted free agents that contribute as much or more than they did/can. That would be a net savings against the cap, which can be used to extend Anquan Boldin.

Maybe LeVar Fisher is healthy and will come to camp?

first, woods wasn't "high-dollar." and second, that triple negative sentence was some doozy! "not unconvinced . . . can't" - whew.

 

[Rats]

You're acting like getting D. Johnson would make up for losing Hartwell. They play totally different positions! D. Johnson's weakest point is defending against the run. He's not adept at slipping blockers and is more likely to try and run-around them, which you can do in college but blockers and RBs are too good in the NFL for that to work. I think that taking Johnson would have a net-loss in defending the run, since it would take J. Darling off the field, who is pretty solid in run support.

Johnson's not there. Get used to it. And the Lions will pass on the Longhorn precisely because of Boss Bailey, not in spite of him. They have two young OLBs already in Lehman and Bailey, and they're not going to drop a seven- or eight-digit signing bonus on another one.

It Rogers, Rolle, and Jones don't excite you in the Top 10, you must not watch a lot of football. I think you're the only one that they don't.

Rolle is a saftey, Jones is undersized and Rogers is a late comer who will still be there at 15. Jackson at the top of the second round will be better value. That is the Michigan corner/saftey. I guess then I will be the only one because there is better value in one of the RBs or Johnson than in taking a Qb,CB or Saftey at #8. If the backs are gone and Johnson is not there we should trade down and look at Miller at TE around 12-14. I am not pretending that Johnson will replace Hartwell. We can keep Hayes inside where he and Darling can share time if Johnson and Dansby are on the outside. Keep your lock I will stay with my opinion....thanks.

 

[JeffGollin]

Letting LeVar Woods and Ray Thompson go
Whoa! I saw the KFFL report about Thompson, but not Woods. When did that happen?

 

[kerouac9]

first, woods wasn't "high-dollar." and second, that triple negative sentence was some doozy! "not unconvinced . . . can't" - whew.

Higher-dollar than a minimum-salary player at the same position, or an undrafted rookie or even second-day pick. That's what I meant.

As for the triple negative: that's right, baby. We're going WAY out of control, here. Who can couch a suppositiong in obtuse language? K9 can!

 

[kerouac9]

Rolle is a saftey, Jones is undersized and Rogers is a late comer who will still be there at 15. Jackson at the top of the second round will be better value. That is the Michigan corner/saftey. I guess then I will be the only one because there is better value in one of the RBs or Johnson than in taking a Qb,CB or Saftey at #8. If the backs are gone and Johnson is not there we should trade down and look at Miller at TE around 12-14. I am not pretending that Johnson will replace Hartwell. We can keep Hayes inside where he and Darling can share time if Johnson and Dansby are on the outside. Keep your lock I will stay with my opinion....thanks.

1. Rolle would be a better safety, but I can't disagree that he's a Top 10 pick at cornerback.
2. There are tons of "undersized" cornerbacks starting all around the league. Adam Jones is a mult-dimensional threat.
3. Carlos Rogers has been in the Top 15-20 all offseason. He won't get past the Redskins. Just watch.
4. Marlin Jackson is more of a safety than Antrelle Rolle is, and he probably won't be available in the second round, anyway. Regardless, at least he'd have a position and use on this team, unlike Derrick Johnson. Jackson's stock has been falling steadily since Michigan's season has ended.
5. If Johnson and Dansby are our outside linebacker next season, our run defense would be even worse than it was last year. Take that to the bank. Derrick Johnson is not a good run defender.
6. If Darling and Hayes are playing the middle, where does Orlando Huff play?

I guess a totally misinformed opinion is still an opinon.

 

[Pariah]

Rolle is a saftey,

Rolle might be able to play safety well, but he's going to be a damn good NFL CB, IMO. Is he the fastest DB out there? No, butu then neither are guys like Surtain or Law, but they seem to do okay out on the CB island.