Somewhat misleading but interesting stat on Kolb from Clark Judge

[Russ Smith]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...r-stepup-opportunity-when-eagles-come-calling

"While it's too early to say Kolb has arrived, you look at his past four games with Arizona and the signs are encouraging. In that time, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 455 yards, with three touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating of 101.5. He also beat Tom Brady in New England's home opener -- something nobody else has accomplished. "

Misleading to say Kolb beat Brady it was very much a team effort and the D and special teams were the key but it is interesting to note those last 4 games. again misleading one drive against Seattle one pass against SF(for 2 yards) but his last 2 full games were the win over Dallas last year and the win over NE on Sunday.

 

[Gee!]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...r-stepup-opportunity-when-eagles-come-calling

"While it's too early to say Kolb has arrived, you look at his past four games with Arizona and the signs are encouraging. In that time, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 455 yards, with three touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating of 101.5. He also beat Tom Brady in New England's home opener -- something nobody else has accomplished. "

Misleading to say Kolb beat Brady it was very much a team effort and the D and special teams were the key but it is interesting to note those last 4 games. again misleading one drive against Seattle one pass against SF(for 2 yards) but his last 2 full games were the win over Dallas last year and the win over NE on Sunday.

If all the Skelton fans can say he won those games last year despite the D winning them.. Then I guess it can be said Kolb beat the Patriots..

 

[Goldfield]

Interesting but I agree misleading.

But Kolb has improved. I have been infavor of Skelton because how bad Kolb was in the pocket(or lack there of).

Now I am not sure who I favor. If Kolb keeps the turnovers down were in good shape.

 

[Duckjake]

If all the Skelton fans can say he won those games last year despite the D winning them.. Then I guess it can be said Kolb beat the Patriots..

I'll go along with that. You QB most of the game you get credit for the win.

But we aren't going to be able to continue to win with Kolb completing only 55.5% of his passes and gaining 5.18 yards per pass attempt and not seeing wide open receivers like he did vs New England.

 

[Pariah]

If all the Skelton fans can say he won those games last year despite the D winning them.. Then I guess it can be said Kolb beat the Patriots..

That's exactly what I was going to say. The QB gets credit for the win--even if they've done nothing more than (gasp) manage the game.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'll go along with that. You QB most of the game you get credit for the win.

But we aren't going to be able to continue to win with Kolb completing only 55.5% of his passes and gaining 5.18 yards per pass attempt and not seeing wide open receivers like he did vs New England.

I have to disagree to an extent. Yeah we can't win every game with those numbers, but we could win quite a few games with those numbers. The key is that he isn't turning the ball over and is doing a solid job of getting into the endzone once we get close. As for the missed throws I believe those will come with time as he develops better timing with his receivers.

 

[Bodha]

I think its funny that both the Cardinals and 49ers have finally found the key of success within a season of each other:


1. Elite D

2. and a Game manager.


Smith and Kolb arent great. Far from it. but as long as they make the safe throws and protect the ball, then we have a great chance of winning behind our defenses.


I personally think the 9ers Offense is overrated. The Lions D looked about as bad as a team D can look in the NFL in that game. Theyd never move the ball like that aginst us.

 

[desertdawg]

I think Kolb took what the Pats gave him (including the pressure), and he didn't try and force the "usual" turnover. He aint the best, but if he doesn't turn it over and get us a few scores our defense is cool with that. We can use the Alex Smith type style.

 

[Duckjake]

I have to disagree to an extent. Yeah we can't win every game with those numbers, but we could win quite a few games with those numbers. The key is that he isn't turning the ball over and is doing a solid job of getting into the endzone once we get close. As for the missed throws I believe those will come with time as he develops better timing with his receivers.

Actually I was poking fun at the responses we got from the Kolb huggers whenever someone would post something positive about Skelton.

I agree we can win with numbers like that and have said so many times.

 

[Redheart]

I think ... the 9ers Offense is overrated. The Lions D looked about as bad as a team D can look in the NFL in that game. Theyd never move the ball like that aginst us.

Did you see how many "wham" blocks they pulled on Ndamukong Suh? About every third play, "wham", and Gore was scooting up the hole provide by the TE coming down the ling and catching Suh in his ear-hole.

He NEVER figured it out! However, he still got 4 tackles and two sacks...Mongo is a beast.

 

[kerouac9]

It's an interesting analysis, but I can't believe that anyone can re-watch that Dallas game and walk away thinking that Kolb had done a job that was worth $10 million for the year. He had a good overtime series, but he looked pretty much like the Kevin Kolb we saw on Sunday. A below-average game manager who isn't efficient. What we didn't see was Kolb taking chances downfield, but I don't think the opportunities were really there (via Fitz--our only deep threat), and I don't think we were in the position to take them.

The Cards have a $9 million decision to make on Kevin Kolb. He's auditioning for a $9 million job over the next 15 weeks.

 

[Catfish]

Right now, Kevin Kolb is our QB, and that is good enough for me. I am on on board with that, and everyone else should be too.

It's this Sunday, against the Eagles, his old team. He stepped in and played well enough when Skelton was hurt, and now he has a chance to show that he is the man here in Arizona. Stranger things have happened, than for him to have a breakout game. That would be poetic justice in his case, to finally put it all together against his old team in his new home.

 

[Shane]

Right now, Kevin Kolb is our QB, and that is good enough for me. I am on on board with that, and everyone else should be too.

It's this Sunday, against the Eagles, his old team. He stepped in and played well enough when Skelton was hurt, and now he has a chance to show that he is the man here in Arizona. Stranger things have happened, than for him to have a breakout game. That would be poetic justice in his case, to finally put it all together against his old team in his new home.

Yep you couldnt ask for more of a cinderella story!

 

[Russ Smith]

Right now, Kevin Kolb is our QB, and that is good enough for me. I am on on board with that, and everyone else should be too.

It's this Sunday, against the Eagles, his old team. He stepped in and played well enough when Skelton was hurt, and now he has a chance to show that he is the man here in Arizona. Stranger things have happened, than for him to have a breakout game. That would be poetic justice in his case, to finally put it all together against his old team in his new home.

Oh I agree I don't care who is the QB as long as we're winning.

I just thought it was an interesting slant that Judge had.

The games are so spread out and 2 of them are 1 pass and 1 series, but it is at least an upwards trend.

He was very inaccurate Sunday in NE left plays out there, but still just one turnover and we won.

 

[Superfuzz]

Elite D + winning turnover battle = wins

 

[TRW]

Elite D + winning turnover battle = wins

I don't know for sure but didn't the Cards LOSE the turnover battle in NE? I think they lost 2 fumbles -vs- 1 pick by Brady.

Not being a smart-ass, but this was one that didn't meet that usually accurate equation.

MOST of the time you are correct sir!

 

[Duckjake]

I don't know for sure but didn't the Cards LOSE the turnover battle in NE? I think they lost 2 fumbles -vs- 1 pick by Brady.

Not being a smart-ass, but this was one that didn't meet that usually accurate equation.

MOST of the time you are correct sir!

Always remember nothing normal ever applies to the Arizona Cardinals. During their 9-2 run they are -10 in turnover margin. 23-13.

 

[JeffGollin]

Four games is kind of a small sample size to be projectable.

What you might say is that: when Kevin minimizes his mistakes and sticks to a conservative game plan - given the good and the bad characteristics of the cast of characters he's got around him - it's been enough to win.

Whether this will be enough to get us past Philly and future opponents remains to be seen and gives me agita. What we've got to hope for is that (a) the surrounding cast (especially Batiste and Massey) and (b) Kevin (&/or Skelton) continue to improve game to game.

Otherwise, we will continue to "dance on a razor-blade" for the remainder of the season.

 

[conraddobler]

One thing everyone should keep in mind with Kolb is when he was brought here he was essentially replacing Kurt Warner.

It's very possible that everyone, including a certain WR wanted that kind of play to continue and the coaches might have only lately as in last year come to the conclusion that our defense was the strength of the team, which it WAS NOT before.

Once that happens the psychology of the QB position changes dramatically and it could be that being benched, washing all that pressure out of his system and getting a second chance and realizing he doesn't have to be all that to win is just what he needed to get his game back.

I really think that's what's going on, he's a lot less desperate back there because it's not all on his shoulders, it's only human to react like he did if you think you have to have a perfect game to win then you press too hard or play scared.

Once he figures out he only has to do what he can, then he does what he can which is more than enough to win games with this team.

I think it might be that simple for the guy and I'm very happy he's found his way back and will root for him very hard.

I'm not a Skelton or a Kolb fan I'm a Cardinal fan and the only QB I've ever even remotely rooted against was DA, who frankly didn't deserve it but I was so bent at how Whis did that thing I took it out on him.

I apologize for that lapse but as of now I'm a Kolb fan and wish him well, hope he does great.

 

[Russ Smith]

One thing everyone should keep in mind with Kolb is when he was brought here he was essentially replacing Kurt Warner.

It's very possible that everyone, including a certain WR wanted that kind of play to continue and the coaches might have only lately as in last year come to the conclusion that our defense was the strength of the team, which it WAS NOT before.

Once that happens the psychology of the QB position changes dramatically and it could be that being benched, washing all that pressure out of his system and getting a second chance and realizing he doesn't have to be all that to win is just what he needed to get his game back.

I really think that's what's going on, he's a lot less desperate back there because it's not all on his shoulders, it's only human to react like he did if you think you have to have a perfect game to win then you press too hard or play scared.

Once he figures out he only has to do what he can, then he does what he can which is more than enough to win games with this team.

I think it might be that simple for the guy and I'm very happy he's found his way back and will root for him very hard.

I'm not a Skelton or a Kolb fan I'm a Cardinal fan and the only QB I've ever even remotely rooted against was DA, who frankly didn't deserve it but I was so bent at how Whis did that thing I took it out on him.

I apologize for that lapse but as of now I'm a Kolb fan and wish him well, hope he does great.

Now we know about his wife I was wondering if he is maybe so consumed with that situation he completely forgot about any pressure from the actual games? As in who cares if I'm starting or not right now, I'm about to be a daddy?

No idea just seems like he's much calmer the first 2 games of the regular season.

 

[kerouac9]

Now we know about his wife I was wondering if he is maybe so consumed with that situation he completely forgot about any pressure from the actual games? As in who cares if I'm starting or not right now, I'm about to be a daddy?

No idea just seems like he's much calmer the first 2 games of the regular season.

LOL. It's his third kid.

 

[Russ Smith]

LOL. It's his third kid.

It's still a big deal to most parents.

 

[Superfuzz]

I don't know for sure but didn't the Cards LOSE the turnover battle in NE? I think they lost 2 fumbles -vs- 1 pick by Brady.

Not being a smart-ass, but this was one that didn't meet that usually accurate equation.

MOST of the time you are correct sir!

This is true, good point.

The TO that didn't end up "counting" was the Ryan Williams fumble that was negated because of the Gostkowksi miss.

 

[Pariah]

LOL. It's his third kid.

Just curious, do you have kids? Maybe something changes with the third--I don't know, I only have two--but the birth of each weighed heavy on my mind for weeks prior to each one.

That said, I don't think Kolb calming down in the pocket is attributed to the impending birth of his child. I think it's a concerted effort by he and the coaching staff. It's not like we're the only ones who recognized he has had a problem with it. JMHO

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't know for sure but didn't the Cards LOSE the turnover battle in NE? I think they lost 2 fumbles -vs- 1 pick by Brady.

Not being a smart-ass, but this was one that didn't meet that usually accurate equation.

MOST of the time you are correct sir!

In a way, missing an easy FG is a turnover.