Sonics@Suns

[slinslin]

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[sly fly]

Let's kick Seattle's ass!

 

[slinslin]

No points after 3 minutes....

 

[George O'Brien]

Barbosa had his best quarter this season in the first quarter.

Amare's jumper is not looking good. That blocking charge was pretty bogus though.

I'm surprised Seattle is not doing better than this lately. These guys can really shoot the ball.

The Suns ball movement is very poor. Too many difficult shots, not enough moving without the ball.

 

[Chaplin]

Seems to me that Barbosa is having his best GAME this season so far.

 

[sunsfn]

Barbosa is doing great!!!!

Voskuhl just got a rebound, and I think that is the highest I have ever seen him jump........he really is elevating his game........

 

[arthurracoon]

CJ and JJ make super clutch threes in the last 30 seconds and you have Marion shoot the last shot?!?!?!?!

*sigh*

 

[newfan101]

WHY .... WHY .... WHY??????????

How many games does Shawn Marion have to brick a last second 3 pointer before they decide to go to someone else?

 

[scudney]

it sure looked to me like JJ was suppossed to get the ball, but he was well defended. Also, if marion was suppossed to take the shot, i don't think it was drawn up for him to take a 3

JJ started slowly, but ended up having a good game.. 10-18 fg for 22 pts, 5 boards, 5 assts. And he made a cluth 3 at the end to tie it

Barbosa also had an excellent game. 9 assts and 0 TO, not to mention 21 pts

Terrible game for amare

 

[Billythekid]

Great game by Barbosa. 9 Assists. Thats what stands out. Shame about the end result. These close loses are starting to **** me off.

How did the end sequence unfold? Were we down two and Marion shot the ball? Where was JJ on the play?

I was just about to say... We'll be better when Amare is back... forgetting he's already back. Terrible game by him. Though excusable as it's only his 2nd game back. Still, 3 for 15 ain't pretty

Ah well. Next time.

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by newfan101
WHY .... WHY .... WHY??????????

How many games does Shawn Marion have to brick a last second 3 pointer before they decide to go to someone else?

Even worse was his defense on the last play. He overplayed Rashard Lewis, and like a good player... Lewis abused him backdoor.

Somehow, someway JJ needed to get that ball on the last play. Drawing a foul would have been a good bet if JJ touches that ball.

Very disappointing.

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by Billythekid
Great game by Barbosa. 9 Assists. Thats what stands out. Shame about the end result. These close loses are starting to **** me off.

How did the end sequence unfold? Were we down two and Marion shot the ball? Where was JJ on the play?

They ran picks off the high post, and Marion was the last option. JJ was shadowed. Barely got the ball in to Marion near the top of the key. Marion got the defender in the air... avoided him as always... and then threw up a clunker off the backboard.

Jordan in the clutch he is not.

 

[Wally]

Not much to say - I guess everyone feels the same because it's pretty quiet here. Nice little run at the end.

Amare looks lost. Totally.

Marion should be fined $10,000 for each 3pt missed shot. Pay him $5,000 for each one made.

Barbosa is showing a lot of improvement.

Clone Jakes heart & pass it out to the team.

JJ still is doing a good job.



We're just putting a lock on a good loto pick.

 

[Chaz]

Originally posted by Wally
Amare looks lost. Totally.

I saw them one time execute the play I wanted to see.

Amare set a screen for JJ and rolled to the basket. JJ found him and Amare was fouled by Radmanovich.

Amare is mostly lost on offense and defense.
He has a lot of work to do but it should be fun to watch.

I can't believe Marion just LOST Lewis with under 10 seconds to go in a tie game.


Another loss....I think I am starting to get numb.


They get another game right away. I sure hope they play better defense.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Remember just a year ago Marion was considered one of the most clutch player in the NBA when they did that crunch time state thing....

 

[newfan101]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
Remember just a year ago Marion was considered one of the most clutch player in the NBA when they did that crunch time state thing....

I believe that measured everything (points, rebounds, assists ...etc...) during the last two minutes of a game. It's one thing to play well in the last two minutes, which overall I think he does. But it's an entirely different thing to make last second shots with the game on the line. Have mercy on my TV the next time he takes a three pointer in the final seconds.

Stephon Marbury he's not.

 

[elindholm]

I just finished watching the game on TiVo. It was great to see Johnson get the tying three-pointer. I'm just about on the "JJ is the Man" bandwagon.

But I knew the last shot would go to Marion. And if the designed play broke down, didn't the Suns have another time out?

The only spot where Marion is a decent three-point shooter is in the corners. Elsewhere I'd bet he shoots 20% or less. He absolutely should not be an option for a last-second shot (which will usually be a three anyway with only 2 seconds left, even if the team needs only a two) unless wide open in the corner.

 

[cly2tw]

Originally posted by SirChaz

I can't believe Marion just LOST Lewis with under 10 seconds to go in a tie game.

You better believe. That's the most consistent thing Marion does on the court. Sorry.

I watched Spurs at Kings today. Bowen's defense frustrated Peja. With Ginobili's clutch plays in the 4th, they won. Defense wins championship. I can't imagine that any real team with Marion as a starter would ever win a championship at all.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by cly2tw
You better believe. That's the most consistent thing Marion does on the court. Sorry.

This is getting ridiculous. You didn't say a thing before the trade about this, now this is ALL you say.

You need to put this to rest. Marion won't be traded.

 

[Chaplin]

Anyone hear a rumor that Ray Allen has been knocked out for the season? Torn Labrum or something? (whatever that is)

Here's the article--x-rays I guess didn't show anything, but the guy can't move his arm...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2004020621

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Chaplin
This is getting ridiculous. You didn't say a thing before the trade about this, now this is ALL you say.

You need to put this to rest. Marion won't be traded.

On the last two defensive plays, Lewis got away with a blatant offensive hooking foul to get open and the last one he pushed off to get open. Sure, Shawn should have been in better position, but the refs killed the Suns in the last minute.

Amare looked awful. It was too much to ask for him to come back at full steam, but his decision making was horrible. He kept trying to jump over a 7'1" guy rather than make the defender move his feet. He was shooting long jump shots, failing to pass out of double teams, and was no where near the basket to get offensive rebounds.

Barbosa had a good game in most respects, but he still has to learn how to keep his man in front of him and not let him get into the lane. But otherwise, he played his best game of the season.

The frustrating thing about Marion is that he had a pretty good game overall: 12 of 25 , 3 of 7 for 3, 7 rebounds, a steal and two blocked shots. But his numbers could have been much better if he attacked the basket more and his only getting 1 assist is revealing.

 

[sunsfn]

If I remember, there was "2" seconds to imbound and shoot the last shot of the game.............they did not imbound to Marion.......when he got the ball he had to throw it up before time expired............!
Lewis got away with fouling to get free the last two shots he made in the game..............I think you can put blame elsewhere for this loss, not on Marion.........Eddie Johnson made a good comment, this game was not lost on the last shot.........Marion had a good game, enough with the comments on how bad Marion is..........
I do not understand this, he is an excellent player and since we traded Penny you guys have to rag on someone so Marion is the guy.............

 

[Joe Mama]

I'm not sure if Lewis got away with a foul on that last basket, but I have not watched it again. It did seem like earlier in the game that calls were going both ways, but in the last few minutes there were some really poor calls/no calls against the Phoenix Suns. That hook by Lewis could not have possibly been any more obvious. A play or two earlier Shawn Marion got a slam dunk off of Barbosa's penetration and was just hammered by Jerome James with no whistle. Oh well, I guess that Jake Voskuhl pick on Ray Allen could have been called as well.

I don't necessarily have a problem will Shawn Marion getting the last-second shot, but I agree with Eric recording where he is getting that shot. I would also be surprised if he is shooting 25% from the top of the three-point arc. I would probably rather Howard Eiseley took a shot from that spot.

I thought the biggest mistake the Phoenix Suns made last night was actually mistake by the coaching. Rashard Lewis made one top shot over Joe Johnson in the low post, and they immediately started double tea and him every time he got the ball. After that the sonics probably got two thirds of their offense from going to Lewis in the low post. He passed right over the predictable double-team, and the sonics got opened shot after opening shot. I believe they should have made Lewis show that he could score over Joe Johnson or Shawn Marion several more times before he was double-teamed. And even if he did prove he could score over them consistently the double-team's should not have been used on EVERY Seattle possession.

I also agree with George's observations on Amare Stoudemire's game. He kept attacking James' strength instead of taking him outside 5-10 feet and making him move his feet.

At least it was an exciting game to watch.

Joe Mama

 

[sly fly]

Originally posted by sunsfn
If I remember, there was "2" seconds to imbound and shoot the last shot of the game.............they did not imbound to Marion.......when he got the ball he had to throw it up before time expired............!
Lewis got away with fouling to get free the last two shots he made in the game..............I think you can put blame elsewhere for this loss, not on Marion.........Eddie Johnson made a good comment, this game was not lost on the last shot.........Marion had a good game, enough with the comments on how bad Marion is..........
I do not understand this, he is an excellent player and since we traded Penny you guys have to rag on someone so Marion is the guy.............

Lewis hooked Marion, and that should have been called.

But, on the backdoor play, Marion was way out of position. He didn't deserve a call there. Plus, what kind of basketball genius overplays with no help? With time running down??

Eddie Johnson was right. The game was lost on the play before Marion's desperation heave.

If you're satisfied with Marion's game, so be it. I'm not. And, have seen much better from him.

The "stat" guys will tell you he's near the top of the league in every category. But, they don't tell the whole story.

Marion will never recognize when another player is hot. Just ask JJ or Barbosa. Heck, just ask Eddie Johnson. You can hear the frustration in his voice.

Marion fills up the stat book. How many extra wins has that translated into?

I'm all about winning.

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by sly fly
Lewis hooked Marion, and that should have been called.

But, on the backdoor play, Marion was way out of position. He didn't deserve a call there. Plus, what kind of basketball genius overplays with no help? With time running down??

Marion was out of position, but Lewis clearly pushed off. But you are right, this is not the time of the game to depend on the refs to bail you out.

The "stat" guys will tell you he's near the top of the league in every category. But, they don't tell the whole story.

Marion will never recognize when another player is hot. Just ask JJ or Barbosa. Heck, just ask Eddie Johnson. You can hear the frustration in his voice.

Marion fills up the stat book. How many extra wins has that translated into?

I'm all about winning.

At some point, this is about coaching. The stats suggest that Marion is able to get his own shot when he decides to be agressive inspite of not being "smooth". He is able to play better, but his decision making leaves something to be desired.

I'm not sure what D'Antoni is doing about getting Marion and the rest of the Suns to play smarter. I'm afraid that Marion did not get much coaching from FJ on that and he is not as developed mentally as his number of years would suggest.

The sad part about it is that it takes a long time to develop good instincts. Players do not have enough time to think about what they are going to, they have to respond instantly. Right now Marion's instincts are questionable, but he can improve and hopefully will.