Soon-to-be-available CBs?

[Pariah]

anyone know if there are any decent CBs that might be cut before the season starts? I know McNeil is out there, but many of you have said we need to wait to see who gets dumped--but who might that be?

Personally, I'd like to sign McNeil AND pick up someone after cuts (if a quality CB is made available). McNeil would benefit from the extra time in our system and you'd think we'd know by now that if there is a bidding war for a FA we're not in the best of situations to sign them (see Rosie Colvin, Vonnie Holliday and K. Stewart); even if we offer more money, players are likely to go elsewhere.

What can it hurt to sign McNeil today? The way I see it, it can only help.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by Pariah
What can it hurt to sign McNeil today? The way I see it, it can only help.

I don't know how much the guy might have left, but at this point, with Starks' injury, I agree that it couldn't really hurt to bring him in at, least for a look see.

 

[CardinalChris]

He'd be a better nickel, but he's an opportunistic CB who could pick a few off if given the chance. He will give up some plays, however. He's much better than what we have now IMO.

 

[Goldfield]

Kordell didnt turn us down, we changed our minds and signed Blake, before Kordell had signed anywhere...

Kordell wanted us to have a bidding war, so when we signed Blake the Bears lowered their offer to Kordell...

 

[pinnacle]

worth pointing out that leigh steinberg was kordells agent and he tried to start a serious bidding war (he thought he was representing donovan mcnabb or something)..I think we made kordell an offer - not sure on that..kordell and steinberg did not really respond positively - so we signed blake and kordell was left with chicago as his only starting qb option... One of the best things that happened to us this offseason was geting blake over kordell.

Steinberg was interviewed on the radio during the process - he was kind of a jerk and did not say anything good about the cardinals.- not good for a guy who fleeced the cardinals with jakes signing bonus and wanted big $$ for kordell..

 

[cardzfan]

Ryan McNeil was playing safety last year. Kwamie made him expendable. When former corners start playing safety it means they have lost their speed. Plus, old Kwamie pushed him out. McNeil is not a viable option at corner.

 

[CardinalChris]

Actually Dieo has some good young corners, so they moved McNeil, not production based. Two years ago didn't he have 9 INTS and lead the NFC, making the pro bowl? I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's better than what we have.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by cardzfan
Ryan McNeil was playing safety last year. Kwamie made him expendable. When former corners start playing safety it means they have lost their speed. Plus, old Kwamie pushed him out. McNeil is not a viable option at corner.

I don't understand why he is not a "viable" option at cornerback. Even in a backup capacity. The guy has been successful is this league at cornerback, and even though he's lost a step I would think his expereince would be of value to this team.

 

[Wild Card]

Originally posted by cardzfan
Ryan McNeil was playing safety last year. Kwamie made him expendable. When former corners start playing safety it means they have lost their speed. Plus, old Kwamie pushed him out. McNeil is not a viable option at corner.

Cardzfan:

Ryan McNeil started 15 games at CB for the Chargers in 2002. (The prior year, he was a 16-game starter at corner, with eight INTs, and went to the Pro Bowl.) McNeil was moved to free safety in the offseason.

WC

 

[CardinalChris]

Diego's spent thier last 2 first rounder on corners and his price made the move viable. They also like this Florence kida lot. Why pay a fourth CB as much as a starter? go start at safety or bye bye

 

[red desert]

I don't think anyone said anything about paying him like a starter. Unless I missed it.

Anyway, who knows, maybe we've already made him an offer . . . wishful thinking.

 

[Cardinal Bob]

Originally posted by red desert
The guy has been successful is this league at cornerback, and even though he's lost a step I would think his expereince would be of value to this team.

Agreed. That was kinda my point. Considering we need CB help, and the fact that his guy is a successful veteran, why not at least take a look at him. Maybe he could help us. Maybe not, but I think it'd be worth a shot.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Cornerbacks

What I have picked up so far:

1. McNiel - available but old. But ala Jerry Rice that doesn't mean he can't play.

2. Springs - maybe trade bait in Seattle but injury laden

3. C.Woodson - See Springs

4. C.Bailey - could trade for him, but not likely

5. Rue - Green Bay might cut him, and is an adquate player.


Anyone else?

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Cardinal Bob
Agreed. That was kinda my point. Considering we need CB help, and the fact that his guy is a successful veteran, why not at least take a look at him. Maybe he could help us. Maybe not, but I think it'd be worth a shot.

Yup. But we'd better move or else Detroit is going to swoop in and take him, given that they just lost starter Cash for the season. See, that's the thing, if you don't move, other teams will fall into the bidding as they are struck by injuries.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Emmitt needs to get Deion Sanders on the phone. McNeil should be signed. So should Crockett, who KC let go before the season started. If anything, give them a shot. If they suck, cut them.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by Oran
Emmitt needs to get Deion Sanders on the phone. McNeil should be signed. So should Crockett, who KC let go before the season started. If anything, give them a shot. If they suck, cut them.

I think Jesus is the the one that needs to call Deion. In any case, why not Deion? Heck, I'd give him 4 million for the season.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Deion's agent made a point a few months ago that he is now a free agent...
No team in the NFL has an abundance of good CBs that they'll be cutting soon. CBs are insurance- they get hurt so you can never have enough of them. The Cards will have to make a trade if they don't sign Crockett or Mcneil.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by red desert
Yup. But we'd better move or else Detroit is going to swoop in and take him, given that they just lost starter Cash for the season. See, that's the thing, if you don't move, other teams will fall into the bidding as they are struck by injuries.

don't forget the 49ers are without Webster and Rumph is hurting too. They have been looking as well. We have more caproom but they are the 49ers so there is no guarantee they won't get a guy we'd want.

 

[Pariah]

Re: Cornerbacks

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
What I have picked up so far:

1. McNiel - available but old. But ala Jerry Rice that doesn't mean he can't play.

2. Springs - maybe trade bait in Seattle but injury laden

3. C.Woodson - See Springs

4. C.Bailey - could trade for him, but not likely

5. Rue - Green Bay might cut him, and is an adquate player.


Anyone else?

as long as you're talking about long shots, Smoot is more of a realistic log shot for trade, IMO.

 

[Stout]

Much as I hate Deion, and as old as he is, I'd give him a tryout, sure. If he still has the speed, I'd sign him, and even pay well for it too. What the hell could it hurt to check it out, at this point? Maybe Emmitt should be in on this recruitment.

 

[BACH]

I doubt trading for Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson is a possiblility. The price would simply be too high. The only possibilities are trading for the "expendable" player in a very good secondary or picking up a veteran, who's performance doesn't match his salary. Some options IMO:

Trading options:

Tay Cody, Chargers - He's still holding on to his starting position opposite Jammer for now. This year's #1 pick Sammy Davis or #2 pick Drayton Florence should push him out of the line-up eventually. There were rumors before training camp that the Chargers were shopping him.

Shawn Springs, Seahawks - He been injured for two straight year, but has returned to his old level of play. He has only one year left on his contract and probably won't be resigned in a secondary featuring Ken Lucas, Marcus Trufant, Willie Williams and Doug Evans. The Seahawks could be interested in a trade, since they won't get any compensation for him next year.

Bobby Taylor, Eagles - Same situation as Springs. On his last year of the contract. Probably won't be resigned next year with Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown on the roster.

Jamal Fletcher, Dolphins - Former #1 pick. You can't label him as a bust, eventhough he has done nothing. Sam Madison has stepped up his game, Patrick Sutain developed into a pro-bowl corner and Terrell Buckley has taking over as the nickel corner because he's more psycical, meaning Fletcher is down to the #4 CB on the roster.

Fred Smoot, Redskins - They tried to trade him earlier without any luck. He's a head-case, but a very good player.

Possible cuts/FAs:

Otis Smith - NE

Ryan McNiel - SD

Rue - GB

Doug Evans - SEA

All over the hill, but probably still good enough to start as a nickel back.

 

[red desert]

Originally posted by BACH
I doubt trading for Champ Bailey or Charles Woodson is a possiblility. The price would simply be too high. The only possibilities are trading for the "expendable" player in a very good secondary or picking up a veteran, who's performance doesn't match his salary. Some options IMO:

Trading options:

Tay Cody, Chargers - He's still holding on to his starting position opposite Jammer for now. This year's #1 pick Sammy Davis or #2 pick Drayton Florence should push him out of the line-up eventually. There were rumors before training camp that the Chargers were shopping him.

Shawn Springs, Seahawks - He been injured for two straight year, but has returned to his old level of play. He has only one year left on his contract and probably won't be resigned in a secondary featuring Ken Lucas, Marcus Trufant, Willie Williams and Doug Evans. The Seahawks could be interested in a trade, since they won't get any compensation for him next year.

Bobby Taylor, Eagles - Same situation as Springs. On his last year of the contract. Probably won't be resigned next year with Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown on the roster.

Jamal Fletcher, Dolphins - Former #1 pick. You can't label him as a bust, eventhough he has done nothing. Sam Madison has stepped up his game, Patrick Sutain developed into a pro-bowl corner and Terrell Buckley has taking over as the nickel corner because he's more psycical, meaning Fletcher is down to the #4 CB on the roster.

Fred Smoot, Redskins - They tried to trade him earlier without any luck. He's a head-case, but a very good player.

Possible cuts/FAs:

Otis Smith - NE

Ryan McNiel - SD

Rue - GB

Doug Evans - SEA

All over the hill, but probably still good enough to start as a nickel back.

Good post. Bobby Taylor or Shawn Springs would be fantastic.

 

[arthurracoon]

Deion sounds good.

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Fred Waery is now available...