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That's Ennis, right? Not exactly a great return.
Spencer Hawes visits Suns
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That's Ennis, right? Not exactly a great return.
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Your time machine told you?
Something tells me this is the "quality" range the Suns will be dipping their feet into during FA. I hope I am wrong.
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The pick was nice but it was a very low return for trading Gortat... not much at all. Now having to pay Gortat 60 million dollars is legitimate. Anyone who listened to Gortat knew he was about the money and exploring his options when he had the opportunity. He had an inflated ego.
don't know that it was all that inflated. He had a really nice year for the wizards and just received a $60 million contract.
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I didn't think the Suns wanted to sign Gortat to a large contract which he commanded and received by the Wizards. The Suns were in rebuild mode and going younger. IMO, Gortat always inflated his value when he was with the Suns. Obviously the Suns didn't want to pay him this type money. It worked out for him. I said his ego was inflated not his new contract although I don't think the Suns would have given him this type of money.
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isn't every player who's never made a huge payday about the money?
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An interesting way to put it. I certainly think every player wants to receive his fair share. However, like a number of people in everyday life, maximum money is not always the primary driver.
Agreed. Sometimes the players value is dictating purely by the market and scarcity of players. I don't think you can say every single player who has gotten a huge payday was all about the money. Sometimes they are the right player during the right time that is available.
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Touché - maybe I'm a homer but I like the ennis pick as well. Not sure hell be a star but a good role player almost certainly and gortat was never a guy I wanted around anyway.
I'm a fan of analytics and this article spells it out pretty clearly (with apologies to those who've read it already..):
http://valleyofthesuns.com/2014/07/03/tj-warren-tyler-ennis-suns-moneyball/
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It's easy to see why the Suns brought in Hawes in for a look see when you read this tweet from Gambo:
IMO, Melo stays in New York. Also Patrick Patterson is already taken by the Raptors. Stretch 4/5s are at a premium. I hope the Suns do not overpay if they go after Frye.
IMO, Melo stays in New York. Also Patrick Patterson is already taken by the Raptors. Stretch 4/5s are at a premium. I hope the Suns do not overpay if they go after Frye.
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Free agent Spencer Hawes has reached agreement on a four-year, $23M deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell Yahoo.
Free agent Spencer Hawes has reached agreement on a four-year, $23M deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell Yahoo.
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Frye's market should now be closer to $4M/yr if even Hawes only got less than $6M/yr.
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Hawes could have been a target for the cHeat, they seem to run out of options.
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If the decision was as simple as Hawes over Frye is it really that difficult of a decision?
They're basically the same player but Hawes is younger, will give you a better shooting % , a bit more rebounding, and better at the rim defense. Neither player is physical in the paint. Isn't it time to move on from Frye?
What are we paying Frye these days?
They're basically the same player but Hawes is younger, will give you a better shooting % , a bit more rebounding, and better at the rim defense. Neither player is physical in the paint. Isn't it time to move on from Frye?
What are we paying Frye these days?
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This will help the Clippers but I'm glad he is not here. It really makes the West tougher.
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I'm hoping for 3 years at 4M a year but I bet he gets 3 years at 5M a year. This Lebron chase is messing up the Suns recruiting IMO.
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Frye is better in the locker and is a much better defender in just about every other way. Also, Frye is far less likely to offend a large group of people. Well, except the "Rebound Now" group which finds him rather offensive.
I know I've said this many times before but I like to repeat myself. I like to repeat myself. If they are confident that Channing just wore down last season, we'd be foolish to not bring him back. But if they really believe that sometimes you get good Channing and sometimes you get bad Channing, then I think we should part ways.
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Sadly this is what I think.
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It's not what I think but it's close enough that I wouldn't wager either way. His history suggests he's just not going to be consistent. But last year was so different from his other seasons that I have hope that he grew into a pretty good player that just ran out of steam. I really think that Jeff knows the answer to that question and the rest of us are just guessing.
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What does this mean?
Excellent post. (For both humor and substance.) Bravo!
It means Frye doesn't rebound a lot and some like their PFs to be able to rebound the ball for some strange reason.
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Before someone responds with "Oh stewardess, I speak Steve", it means Hawes is somewhat vocal with his political and social opinions. Whether I agree with him or not, I'd rather not even know the political leaning of a basketball player. The more out there he is, the more likely it will become a problem. Putting Ted Nugent on this team might liven up the jam sessions but it's going to cause a few problems in the locker and elsewhere.
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