Sunnysloper
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Does anybody know of any good sports bars in the area of the new stadium? I fly in to town to catch a few games every year and I'm not that familiar with west Glendale.
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There's nothing out there yet. It'll be awhile before the area has bars/restaurants like the Mill Avenue/University area but I'm sure there are people working on it.
There is a Wal Mart nearby with plenty of 12 packs and other supplies for tailgating.
There is a Wal Mart nearby with plenty of 12 packs and other supplies for tailgating.
The Cards wanted to be in the east valley. The east valley blew it. It's not like there were any offers that the Cards turned down. Only Glendale stepped up.JC_AZ said:
By the way...I live 2 minutes from the initial site ("People will die!", Peggy Bilsten), five minutes away from the Mesa site (prostitutes, drugs and crime) and 40 minutes away from the site now.
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You are 5 minuted away from 2 really good sports bars. They are off of the 101
Freeway and Bell Road. The names of the Sports Bars : McDuffy's and Fox & Hound
Great Food and Many TV's.
Freeway and Bell Road. The names of the Sports Bars : McDuffy's and Fox & Hound
Great Food and Many TV's.
Cardsmasochist
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JC_AZ said:
Too bad the Mesa voters turned it down.
There are plenty of bars in Glendale. Drive north on the 101 and get off on Bell and head east.
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JC_AZ said:
Well, they tried like hell to get it built on that side of the Valley. The Cards gave Mesa a sweetheart deal and those people still rejected it. They could've built it in Globe and I'd still have gotten season tickets.
When Glendale is hosting the Super Bowl, I'm sure the people of Mesa can drive by their closed museums and civic centers and not feel any twinge of remorse. Ever since they brought down the Rio Salado stadium I've avoided spending money in that city. Now that they've raised sales taxes to keep filling pot holes I find the idea of buying anything there totally hilarious.
I do not do the bar scene much any more but a few of the main sports bars in the Arrowhead area (5-8 miles north of the Stadium) are the Monastery Too, Mc Duffy’s, Elephant Bar, and Maxes, along with a number of smaller bars. More restaurants then you can count and a number of hotels.
Most of the building is not completed yet but look at http://www.westgateaz.com/ for what is coming in the near future within walking distance of the stadium. And to see what else you can do go to http://www.arizonaavenues.com/ for a look at the West Valley attractions.
Most of the building is not completed yet but look at http://www.westgateaz.com/ for what is coming in the near future within walking distance of the stadium. And to see what else you can do go to http://www.arizonaavenues.com/ for a look at the West Valley attractions.
Cardsmasochist
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don't get me started on Mesa
Decline and fall of Mesa
Watching this city's economic implosion is like viewing a train wreck in slow motion
Jon
Talton
Republic
columnist
May. 21, 2006 12:00 AM
I wish it were simple enough to say: Mesa, be gone!
Now that you've voted down a property tax, live your libertarian state-of-nature fantasy. Allow City Hall to do no more than fix potholes, police the streets and fight fires. Shut down the public libraries and museums. Sell the Mesa Arts Center to a check-cashing outlet. Make the heaviest burden of a sales tax fall on the poorest people, those losers. Let freedom reign!
If only Mesa were an eccentric little burg in, say, Idaho. We could watch its deterioration at a bemused or horrified distance. Here is a city as a slow-motion train wreck. We can't quite avert our eyes, but it doesn't really affect us, thank goodness. advertisement
America seems to agree.
Mesa is more populous than St. Louis, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Pittsburgh or Cincinnati - not that Mesa has anything to show for it. A fiscal crisis, rejection at the polls and immediate layoffs and cuts to cultural programs in those cities would have been major news.
Yet as far as I can tell, the mess in Mesa garnered no national coverage, and little regional attention either.
Unfortunately, Mesa is too big and too close to ignore. The city's civic sickness, economic malaise and ongoing deterioration hurt all of Greater Phoenix.
If Mesa were boxing at its weight class, the entire regional economy would be stronger. Instead, some 65 out of 100 Mesa residents must commute elsewhere to find jobs. It has no major corporate headquarters and no economic engines equivalent to a city of its population.
Mesa should also be a powerful advocate for the urban issues it and every city face with the state Legislature and congressional delegation.
To take but one example, Mesa should have been a leader in creating the nation's best regional transit system.
Instead, it grudgingly allowed a one-mile link to light rail and asks the city of Phoenix to run its meager transit.
With so many people, Mesa should have one or two universities (Cincinnati has three major universities in the city limits). Instead, it is hoping ASU will enhance its minimal campus at the seedy former Williams Air Force Base, far from the heart of the city.
An entire column could be devoted to this failed city's missed opportunities in innovation, culture, quality of life and sustainability. Another could track how its legislators often lead efforts to keep the state backward.
Then there are lessons that apply to the entire region. Almost every mistake seen in Greater Phoenix has been taken to its absurd, entropic conclusion in Mesa. It proves:
• Minimal taxes and government don't produce a high-performance economy. Indeed, Mesa, like all of Greater Phoenix, would barely exist without mighty deeds of collective action and heavy government spending.
• Building a new shopping center, anchored by a tricked-out bait shop, is not a 21st century economic strategy.
• Denial of urban challenges doesn't make them go away; they get worse.
• Cities add to their "carrying costs" as they grow in population. Among them: stresses to infrastructure, economic diversity and social health.
• The free-lunch promise of the anti-tax right remains seductive. Gone is the American presumption that with property ownership comes special obligations to the community. It only delivers failure.
Perhaps the most ominous cautionary note is that of the single-flavor, self-selecting city. It's an open question whether Greater Phoenix is such a place, but there's little question about Mesa.
With the city's rising Hispanic population in the shadows, those in Mesa who vote and wield power are overwhelmingly White and "conservative." Many are retirees who apparently fit the stereotype of "I got mine, leave me alone!"
Lacking is any meaningful competition of interests and ideas that would help Mesa face the real world.
And make no mistake: The world will not let Mesa be just a quiet small town. Yet this city is poorly positioned to address global competition, climate change, higher energy prices or other 21st century realities.
I'll admit to using the term "city" generously. Mesa is more of a collection of real estate ventures connected by highways.
The sound civic design of the Mormon pioneers was abandoned as Mesa grew. Its subdivisions, and especially the so-called master-planned communities, were built to segregate people from a city's challenges, opportunities or even identity.
Mesa, be gone! If only Mesa alone could face the full consequences of its actions. Its voters would find out what the state of nature is really like.
Instead, it will continue to be carried by the rest of the region, with the most successful cities deliberately avoiding Mesa's policies.
ajcardfan said:
Decline and fall of Mesa
Watching this city's economic implosion is like viewing a train wreck in slow motion
Jon
Talton
Republic
columnist
May. 21, 2006 12:00 AM
I wish it were simple enough to say: Mesa, be gone!
Now that you've voted down a property tax, live your libertarian state-of-nature fantasy. Allow City Hall to do no more than fix potholes, police the streets and fight fires. Shut down the public libraries and museums. Sell the Mesa Arts Center to a check-cashing outlet. Make the heaviest burden of a sales tax fall on the poorest people, those losers. Let freedom reign!
If only Mesa were an eccentric little burg in, say, Idaho. We could watch its deterioration at a bemused or horrified distance. Here is a city as a slow-motion train wreck. We can't quite avert our eyes, but it doesn't really affect us, thank goodness. advertisement
America seems to agree.
Mesa is more populous than St. Louis, Minneapolis, Atlanta, Pittsburgh or Cincinnati - not that Mesa has anything to show for it. A fiscal crisis, rejection at the polls and immediate layoffs and cuts to cultural programs in those cities would have been major news.
Yet as far as I can tell, the mess in Mesa garnered no national coverage, and little regional attention either.
Unfortunately, Mesa is too big and too close to ignore. The city's civic sickness, economic malaise and ongoing deterioration hurt all of Greater Phoenix.
If Mesa were boxing at its weight class, the entire regional economy would be stronger. Instead, some 65 out of 100 Mesa residents must commute elsewhere to find jobs. It has no major corporate headquarters and no economic engines equivalent to a city of its population.
Mesa should also be a powerful advocate for the urban issues it and every city face with the state Legislature and congressional delegation.
To take but one example, Mesa should have been a leader in creating the nation's best regional transit system.
Instead, it grudgingly allowed a one-mile link to light rail and asks the city of Phoenix to run its meager transit.
With so many people, Mesa should have one or two universities (Cincinnati has three major universities in the city limits). Instead, it is hoping ASU will enhance its minimal campus at the seedy former Williams Air Force Base, far from the heart of the city.
An entire column could be devoted to this failed city's missed opportunities in innovation, culture, quality of life and sustainability. Another could track how its legislators often lead efforts to keep the state backward.
Then there are lessons that apply to the entire region. Almost every mistake seen in Greater Phoenix has been taken to its absurd, entropic conclusion in Mesa. It proves:
• Minimal taxes and government don't produce a high-performance economy. Indeed, Mesa, like all of Greater Phoenix, would barely exist without mighty deeds of collective action and heavy government spending.
• Building a new shopping center, anchored by a tricked-out bait shop, is not a 21st century economic strategy.
• Denial of urban challenges doesn't make them go away; they get worse.
• Cities add to their "carrying costs" as they grow in population. Among them: stresses to infrastructure, economic diversity and social health.
• The free-lunch promise of the anti-tax right remains seductive. Gone is the American presumption that with property ownership comes special obligations to the community. It only delivers failure.
Perhaps the most ominous cautionary note is that of the single-flavor, self-selecting city. It's an open question whether Greater Phoenix is such a place, but there's little question about Mesa.
With the city's rising Hispanic population in the shadows, those in Mesa who vote and wield power are overwhelmingly White and "conservative." Many are retirees who apparently fit the stereotype of "I got mine, leave me alone!"
Lacking is any meaningful competition of interests and ideas that would help Mesa face the real world.
And make no mistake: The world will not let Mesa be just a quiet small town. Yet this city is poorly positioned to address global competition, climate change, higher energy prices or other 21st century realities.
I'll admit to using the term "city" generously. Mesa is more of a collection of real estate ventures connected by highways.
The sound civic design of the Mormon pioneers was abandoned as Mesa grew. Its subdivisions, and especially the so-called master-planned communities, were built to segregate people from a city's challenges, opportunities or even identity.
Mesa, be gone! If only Mesa alone could face the full consequences of its actions. Its voters would find out what the state of nature is really like.
Instead, it will continue to be carried by the rest of the region, with the most successful cities deliberately avoiding Mesa's policies.
ajcardfan said:
Exactly right. If they had a referendum to remove all the traffic lights in Mesa in return for a tax cut, I'm sure these people would pass it. Bunch of low rent cheeseballs out there. Complete waste of money and time for the Cards to try to get anything done out there.
WOW!!
I have lived in the greater Phoenix metro area for 25 years. When I first moved to the valley I loved the area, all of the various cities had something going for them, except Mesa. It was a pit then, and it hasn't improved any!
JasonKGME
I'm a uncle's monkey??
Sunnysloper said:
Within a 4 mile radius:
Pfister's Pfaucet
(623) 872-9181 8290 W Camelback Rd # 101
Glendale, AZ Map 1.4
Slap Shots
(623) 939-6261 7941 W Glendale Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 1.7
Nugget
(623) 873-1118 4130 N 83rd Ave # 11
Phoenix, AZ Map 2.2
Roman's County Line
(623) 877-8191 10540 W Indian School Rd
Phoenix, AZ Map 2.7
Coaches Sports Lounge
(623) 931-0101 6036 N 67th Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 2.9
Dorito Night Club
(623) 931-0024 6444 W Glendale Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 3.4
Rumors Bar
(623) 848-1916 4134 N 67th Ave
Phoenix, AZ Map 3.5
Six Shooters Sports Grill
(623) 247-8540 7611 W Thomas Rd
Phoenix, AZ Map 3.5
Pink Caberet
(623) 937-7465 7917 N 68th Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 3.5
Cypress Lounge
(623) 939-8709 5944 W Bethany Home Rd
Glendale, AZ Map 3.8
El Tecolote Bar
(623) 939-1333 6162 NW Grand Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 3.8
Glenfair Restaurant & Lounge
(623) 937-3202 6110 N 59th Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 3.9
Craiger's Restaurant & Lounge
(623) 934-8071 5400 N 59th Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 3.9
Deli Sports Bar
(623) 979-5163 9635 W Peoria Ave # 101
Peoria, AZ Map 3.9
Annie's Branded Bar & Grill
(623) 435-1770 6411 N 59th Ave
Glendale, AZ Map 4.0
Karaoke Superstore
(623) 487-7464 Web Site 9720 W Peoria Ave # 108
Peoria, AZ Map 4.0
Slap Shots, Six Shooters & Coaches are all decent sports bars. If your looking for the big sports bars with 40 TV's etc then gotta go the extra mile to McDuffys on bell and the 101.
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jason...excellent list...
free advise $$$
mesa...if you have 25-30 years and want to wait it out...some very good real estate investment opportunities...it will soften further then swoop in and wait and wait and wait...but it will come back...
free advise $$$
mesa...if you have 25-30 years and want to wait it out...some very good real estate investment opportunities...it will soften further then swoop in and wait and wait and wait...but it will come back...
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There's a Sixshooters at 75th and Thomas? Hmmm, the place I play in my pool league every Thursday at 7 (come on out and join us) is the Sixshooters at 35th Ave and Peoria. I never miss a sporting event, even on pool night.
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I am so happy to hear and see the prople from the East side of the Valley B & M about not having the New Stadium. Heck for 18 years they couldn't fill-up Sun Devil Stadium for the Cardinals on a regular basis. Only ASU and the Festa Bowl filed up SDS. Now us on the West Side of town have helped to sell out the new Stadium. I would like to see a Demographic Map on where the season ticket sales come from.
Now this would be very interesting. Maybe Jim O. can help provide us with this information.
Bobcat
Now this would be very interesting. Maybe Jim O. can help provide us with this information.
Bobcat
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I wouldn't say "nothing." While I'd agree that the location does not deter most NFL fans from making the trip a few extra miles, I can also say that I personally know of at least six fans who would not buy season tickets at SDS because of the location but who have bought in this year because it's closer. I'm sure they aren't the norm, but they aren't nothing either.CardLogic said:
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Having a roof with some A/C sure helps.CardLogic said:
Phoenix, Mesa, and especially Tempe blew it. It takes a special inceompetence to let the BCS and Super Bowl fall out of your lap. I'm sure trading that in for a light rail system to nowhere and a wifi network was all worth it.
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Hotels
It shows a Renaissance Hotel, expected to be completed in late "06. Is that going to happen?
It shows a Renaissance Hotel, expected to be completed in late "06. Is that going to happen?
MigratingOsprey
Thank You Paul!
I know that they have a Yard House that should be open within the next year by the stadium - most of the bars on that list are a little off (for example el tecolote is on grand avenue and I wouldn't recommend going there)
but if you go up to bell & the 101 there are a ton of bars and restaurants - there are some decent dive type places if you stay west of the loop of glendale, thunderbird, etc
but if you go up to bell & the 101 there are a ton of bars and restaurants - there are some decent dive type places if you stay west of the loop of glendale, thunderbird, etc
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Chuy's on 101 and Camelback.
I grew up in Mesa and I'll admit it is sad what has happened over there but it really is the city's fault. The city council had a chance to vot ein the stadium without a public vote and they failed. Instead of a stadium, they got a movie theatre. Meanwhile, Glendale is in fast forward and has changed their city's image and is booming. Mesa is basically Tucson now, unfortunately it is right next door.
I grew up in Mesa and I'll admit it is sad what has happened over there but it really is the city's fault. The city council had a chance to vot ein the stadium without a public vote and they failed. Instead of a stadium, they got a movie theatre. Meanwhile, Glendale is in fast forward and has changed their city's image and is booming. Mesa is basically Tucson now, unfortunately it is right next door.
Bobcat
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CardLogic said:
What was that famous statment...??? Let us see. "LOCATION...LOCATION...LOCATION...!!!" Yah that was it. Maybe not but I would still like to see a Demographic map from the Cardinals either way indicating general locations of ticket holders. Now wouldn't you. Just a bit curious.
Bobcat.
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I recall an interview Michael Bidwill gave around the time the stadium was awarded to Tempe. He mentioned that 4 out of 5 season tickets were held in accounts east of Central. I remember thinking at the time that the number could have been skewed by corporate account holders having mailing addresses east of Central (many do) but employees using the accounts who live west of Central.
But when the number of season tickets sold doubles, the old paradigm is simply lost in the sea of new holders.
But when the number of season tickets sold doubles, the old paradigm is simply lost in the sea of new holders.
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