Stadium Design Transformation

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Does anyone know (or have an idea) of the Stadium's new capacity?

Will it be like Sun Devil and hold 70,000+

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Will it be like Raymond Jamed, and have a max capacity of around 45,000 to 50,000?

Just curious...
 

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az republic says 63,000 permanent seats with the ability to add 10,000 more seats for fiesta bowl, super bowl, etc...
 

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:thumbup: I pulled up the new design for the new Cards stadium, and I didn't know if I liked it. I read the article about the panels shading the fans and the fabric part of the roof to make it seem more open etc., returned to the pictures. I will bet you folks will love it. I can't speak from great experience, but the one time I came out to watch a game, man was it "HOT". One of the posters has a saying something about Strahan saying there were only two times I thouht I was going to die on the field and both times were in Arizona. The Air Conditioning part with the roof closed for early season games will be wonderful for the fans. I'm happy for the Cards and the Fans for the new stadium. P.S. I love your area and the entire southwest, what a great place to live. "Come on Cards get some more defense".
 

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Most of us who attend all preseason and home games will probably have a comparable opinion: Does it have air conditioning? yes does it have enough rest rooms? yes. Does it have individual seats as oppposed to bleachers? yes... Then hurry up and build it:thumbup:
 

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First of all where in NY are you from? I am a LL boy myself.

I am not takeing pot shots at the new design. I am just saying that it is not very sensitve to the site and or the location.

Most of Arizona architecture is developer driven, but we do have some of Wrights works in the valley.

I do Like the New WTC project. I once work with one of the lead designers of the old WTC. But I would have rather chosen Gudiy's design.

Allan
 

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Originally posted by pinnacle
Does it have individual seats as oppposed to bleachers? yes...

My only problem with indivdual seats is that a fat a$$ like myself has difficulty squeezing into them. I liked the bleachers just for the space issue! :D

I guess I will have to lose wieght! :(

ps: what happens to our Cardinals Dancing Fat-Guy in section 41? He's a blast, and a nice guy...I hope the new seats will accomodate him as well...
 
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Originally posted by Bobcat
Stronso
First of all where in NY are you from? I am a LL boy myself.

I am not takeing pot shots at the new design. I am just saying that it is not very sensitve to the site and or the location.

Most of Arizona architecture is developer driven, but we do have some of Wrights works in the valley.

I do Like the New WTC project. I once work with one of the lead designers of the old WTC. But I would have rather chosen Gudiy's design.

Allan

I was born in Manhattan and lived in NJ for the first 9 yrs of my life. My family then moved to Phoenix and I grew up there. I have lived in either Phoenix or Tucson for 25 years. I moved back to NYC about 16 months ago and I now live in Park Slope, Brooklyn.

I agree that most of the projects in AZ are developer driven and that about 99% are cookie cutter and boring....FLW does have some beautiful work there - AZ Biltmore coming first to my mind.

Gudiy's design was which one? I think the Libeskind design melds all of the elements (memorial, opening of Greenwich/Fulton Sts/office space/park) together in a very beautiflu fashion. About a year or so ago I was reading in the New Yorker Magazine - if I remember correctly - about the design competition and process. Daniel Libeskind was not among the original architects who submitted designs for the site. After the inital first round, DL was invited by the head of the process to submit a plan. I told my girlfriend that day that he would be the one whose work was chosen - and I was right.

I cannot wait for both of these projects to get off the ground: the Stadium for the Cards and Arizona and the new WTC for NY and the world. :) Fu@# you Osama!!!
 

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Originally posted by Stronso
FLW does have some beautiful work there - AZ Biltmore coming first to my mind.

Actually FLW didn't design the Biltmore, one of his students did I believe. But their is some FLW stuff there, some hangings and glass artwork IIRC.

I am a big fan of FLW, but I went out to Taliesen West one time and was completely put off by the aura there. Weird, the people there kinda ruined the whole thing for me.

Has anyone ever seen the design he drew up for the AZ state capitol building? If they would have used it, it would have been a real landmark, the most recognizable state house in the country if you ask me. Its a shame they didn't build it. Its kinda over the top, but I like it.
 

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Man, enough with the SDS-bashing already. :rolleyes:

What a bunch of wussies. "We'll finally have air conditioning, better restrooms, individual seats, cupholders, etc."

I don't care where they play, I just want to see more wins!

I have never had any issues with them playing at SDS, except that it costs them money in the way of lost revenue streams. By playing in SDS, the Cards made ASU a ton of money but not themselves.

I want the new stadium so the team can have an equal footing with the rest of the league, including money from concessions, parking, signage, and naming rights. And more money from luxury boxes (ASU got nearly all of that too).

As for the "luxuries" I could care less, I'm going to a football game for a few hours...NOT a country club.

Go Cardinals!!!
 

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Not sure if I am sold on the new design, as long as I have a place to set my backup beer with out kicking it over I will be a happy man. Maybe they will change the design again who knows. :D
 

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Everyone will love the design once the facility is built. I love the use of shadow and light, and the translucent roof panels will add an open feeling. These elements will give this building an "Arizona look."

I think unusual new concepts are hard for some people to embrace. But if you think of signature designs in American Cities, they were all controversial before they became beloved for exactly the same reasons.
 

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ken..how are you doing....i think i might try too lose some weight too...the seats will not be good for the average joe...i mean average tony...buts that s ok i will still be the ultimate CARDINALS FAN....sorry about not posting alot...i will try more often...also the new stadium will not have a asouth end zone .what do we do. it will be weird when the new stadium is done..how will they assign every body seats...a lottery or what..it will suck for me where will i get my groove on...i cant dance on top of the chairs...have a good day ken...always a cardinals fan...
 

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Originally posted by BIGTONY
ken..how are you doing....i think i might try too lose some weight too...the seats will not be good for the average joe...i mean average tony...buts that s ok i will still be the ultimate CARDINALS FAN....sorry about not posting alot...i will try more often...also the new stadium will not have a asouth end zone .what do we do. it will be weird when the new stadium is done..how will they assign every body seats...a lottery or what..it will suck for me where will i get my groove on...i cant dance on top of the chairs...have a good day ken...always a cardinals fan...

Dude!! You rule! Keep your groove on
 

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Originally posted by BIGTONY
ken..how are you doing....i think i might try too lose some weight too...the seats will not be good for the average joe...i mean average tony...buts that s ok i will still be the ultimate CARDINALS FAN....sorry about not posting alot...i will try more often...also the new stadium will not have a asouth end zone .what do we do. it will be weird when the new stadium is done..how will they assign every body seats...a lottery or what..it will suck for me where will i get my groove on...i cant dance on top of the chairs...have a good day ken...always a cardinals fan...

Dude, whenever you bust a move, I'm 15 rows above you cheering my lungs out!

Rock on bro!
 

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thanks alot ken..i love too have fun at the cardinals games..its like when i go too a cardinals game...whatever happend that week..or any problems i let it all goes out..kind of like drinking or doing some illegal green stuff...i love too dance..and make the crowd goes nuts when i dance..but lately the cheerleaders dance too all the songs..i think it wouldbe rude for me too dance when they dance...thats just imo..but i will still try too have fun..
 

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Here is an article I think that you may like, it is about the Architects intent for his design. I may not agree, but I thought that you may like to read this.

p.s. I once lived on Shore Parkway in Brooklyn. NYC. the belt parkwway and the ocean were my front door.

Allan

Cardinals stadium puts on a new face

Peter Eisenman

A new design for the Arizona Cardinals stadium blends metal and a translucent roof for more light and color.

Pat Flannery
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 14, 2003 12:00 AM

A new and highly stylized design for the Arizona Cardinals football stadium will soon be under construction in Glendale, and it's sure to set tongues wagging.

Fresh from proposing new ideas for New York's World Trade Center site, noted New York City architect Peter Eisenman on Thursday unveiled a contemporary look for the Cardinals' future home that he believes will make it "a signature stadium - something that will bring folks to visit."

The outside redesign is the latest revision in a project that has seen more stops and starts than a Cardinals running back. Eisenman, an avowed football fan, joked about the frustrations of designing a building whose political baggage kept it on the move.

"It's very exciting to finally get our stadium off wheels," Eisenman said. "We've been rolling around Maricopa County for five years now."

Michael Bidwill, Cardinals vice president, said the team sought to redraw the stadium's exterior because "we thought a fresh new look would be a terrific thing for Glendale and for the West Valley."



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He dismissed suggestions that it was intended to save money, saying the changes are "cost neutral" but would simplify construction.

"The inside of the stadium is still the same . . . but it's going to look a lot different," he said.

Some at the Thursday unveiling thought the new design looked like a barrel cactus; others said it resembled a sunburst.

Eisenman's vision is a shiny metallic-silver beacon whose color and reflected light are supposed to shift to mimic the countless hues of Arizona's desert skies.

He tossed out the normally horizontal "banded" design lines of sports stadiums, designing alternating metal panels and vertical glass corridors for the stadium's exterior, "slicing it like a grapefruit" and topping it with a gauzy, see-through cloth roof he says will "take the curse off being inside."







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"It's a whole new feeling in the interior," Eisenman said. "It gives a feeling of being both indoors and outdoors."

The use of Birdair, a translucent canvaslike fabric that is waterproof, reduces the weight and complexity of the roof. The previous design had a roof of three heavy-metal panels that retracted to one end, opening the central part of the roof and one end of the stadium. The new design has two steel-and-cloth panels, each opening toward opposite ends.

Bidwill said $3.5 million worth of Luxembourg steel ordered 18 months ago will still be put to use in the new design. The height, according to Eisenman, will be about 18 feet lower.

The rollout field remains a dominant feature, rolling into an outdoor bowl where it will remain when football is not being played. It will give the natural turf air, sun and water.

"The previous depiction of the stadium everyone had identified with Tempe," Glendale City Manager Ed Beasley said.

He described the new look as "neighborhood friendly . . . more pleasing to the eye," a plus for those living around it.

Glendale and the state Tourism and Sports Authority plan a splashy ceremonial groundbreaking Tuesday, but real work won't start until at least June, when machines start digging a huge hole in which the stadium will be built. Until then, workers will be installing sewer lines and other infrastructure, some of it in conjunction with the Phoenix Coyotes arena opening next door in December.

A precise construction schedule will be penned out in a few months when detailed design drawings are in hand. Hunt Construction, the builder, is expected to lock in on its guaranteed maximum price to build the facility in September.

Saving money is paramount for the Cardinals because every extra cent of construction cost comes out of the team's pocket. Delays in choosing a stadium site already have driven construction costs to $355 million from $331 million, putting the team on the hook for the extra $24 million. The Cardinals' original investment was $85 million. The balance is paid by tax-financed bonds sold last month.



Reach the reporter at [email protected] or (602) 444-8628.
 

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