Start Miley over Collmenter?

[DiamondBacks5117]

Collmenter did great last year but not as well so far this year. Should Miley start over him or is it to early to make changes?

 

[PDXChris]

No, bring up Corbin and keep Miley in long relief.

 

[AZ Native]

Corbin is a good call but I would rather bring up Bauer.

 

[Tyler]

I think Collmenter would flourish in long relief. He does great the first 3, after that he gets roughed up. He is a good 6-7th guy but not a starter. Bring up Bauer.

 

[Dback Jon]

Bauer!

 

[BC867]

Check out this article with Gibson's comments about Collmenter. Any 8th grader would know that he's full of crap.

Though ugly numbers continue to pile up on Collmenter, his manager continues to say he sees progress.

"That's the best he's thrown it this year," Kirk Gibson said.

At what point do the Diamondbacks need to see better results from Collmenter?

"I think the results were there for him," Gibson said.

Giving up a run an inning. Two 2-run homers in an inning. The results sure were there for him . . . to be sent to the Minors when Hudson returns.

Couple that with Gibson telling the Press that he has not decided if Wade Miley's (2-0, ERA 1.84) 2-hit shutout through six innings as a starter would earn him a start again, let alone putting him into the rotation.

Where is it written that a Manager should blatantly lie to the public about the performance of his players? Even that 8th grader would know better.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/dia...ter-struggles-loss-philadelphia-phillies.html

 

[Gaddabout]

I don't know what Gibson's motivations are or what his thinking is, but there's zero incentive to lie.

 

[Lefty]

Collmenter has been moved to the bullpen and it looks like Corbin will be called up to be part of the rotation.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/dia...ks-wade-miley-josh-collmenter-pat-corbin.html

 

[82CardsGrad]

Collmenter has been moved to the bullpen and it looks like Corbin will be called up to be part of the rotation.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/dia...ks-wade-miley-josh-collmenter-pat-corbin.html

There was speculation that Ginny was going to give Collmenter one more shot on Monday... guess we'll see. IMHO - I would make the move and bring up Corbin.

 

[DiamondBacks5117]

Miley doing pretty good as a starter! I like giving Collmenter a chance in the pen. Hope Corbin does well!

 

[UncleChris]

It appears it's Corbin over Collmenter....

http://arizona.sbnation.com/arizona-diamondbacks/2012/4/29/2985905/josh-collmenter-sent-to-bullpen-patrick-corbin-to-start-for

 

[82CardsGrad]

It appears it's Corbin over Collmenter....

http://arizona.sbnation.com/arizona...r-sent-to-bullpen-patrick-corbin-to-start-for

 

[BC867]

I wonder if this conversation took place

Guys, I have posted more than once (of course) that the D'backs are underachieving as a .500 team because our players come to the park not knowing what their role is.

And now it has taken its toll.

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a starting pitcher."

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a long reliever."

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a starting pitcher."

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a long reliever."

I wonder if this conversation took place prior to August 10th.

Josh Collmenter: "Skipper, why did you say I am a long reliever, then keep bringing me in from the sixth inning on? You're going to give me ulcers."

There is really nothing funny about it.

News article 8/10/12: "The D-backs placed right-handed relief pitcher Josh Collmenter on the 15-day disabled list Friday with ulcers."

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com...tebook_id=36465906&vkey=notebook_ari&c_id=ari

 

[JS22]

Guys, I have posted more than once (of course) that the D'backs are underachieving as a .500 team because our players come to the park not knowing what their role is.

And now it has taken its toll.

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a starting pitcher."

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a long reliever."

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a starting pitcher."

Kirk Gibson: "Josh, you're a long reliever."

I wonder if this conversation took place prior to August 10th.

Josh Collmenter: "Skipper, why did you say I am a long reliever, then keep bringing me in from the sixth inning on? You're going to give me ulcers."

There is really nothing funny about it.

News article 8/10/12: "The D-backs placed right-handed relief pitcher Josh Collmenter on the 15-day disabled list Friday with ulcers."

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com...tebook_id=36465906&vkey=notebook_ari&c_id=ari

You are really, REALLY reaching on a lot of your recent posts.

 

[BC867]

You are really, REALLY reaching on a lot of your recent posts.

I started the post as tongue-in-cheek satire. A 2nd year pitcher whose role constantly changes goes on the DL with ulcers. I didn't make it up.

Then I thought . . . is it a coincidence or is there a correlation?

Isn't that what this board is about? Food for thought. Opinions. And mine is that Gibby's attention-deficit-disorder use of players causes havoc with their emotional states.

What employee doesn't want the peace of mind as he leaves work knowing where he stands with his boss when he wakes up the next day?

I am not a sports psychologist. But, as most of us, I've spent decades hoping for peace of mind as I head to work each day. Knowing where I stand and what role I'll be playing.

Perhaps if we were not an underachieving .500 team, it wouldn't be an issue. Then again, if indecision were not a managerial tactic, perhaps we would not be an underachieving .500 team.


I am very disappointed with Kirk Gibson's performance as manager. And the results. Here is another example from today's AzCentral/AzRepublic.

Gibby was quoted as saying, "We kind of live and die by the home run a little bit too much." Kind of? A little bit? 'Ya think so, Kirk? American League baseball in the National League. The formula for a .500 team.

Look at our won-lost record. You don't have to reach far to see that.

Hey, I take my baseball and basketball rooting seriously.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/dia...lid-contact-hitting-arizona-diamondbacks.html

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

You've never heard of a swingman before? Using a long reliever as a spot starter due to injury or whatever is basically standard practice. These posts are mind numbing.

 

[BC867]

You've never heard of a swingman before? Using a long reliever as a spot starter due to injury or whatever is basically standard practice. These posts are mind numbing.

Can the sarcasm. I know as well as you what a swingman is.

I'm talking about the manager sending Collmenter back to the bullpen, announced for long relief, then using him for short relief in the 6th or 7th innings until the ulcer took him out of action.

The question is . . . is Gibson playing with the Press and fans, but letting his players know the plan, and sticking to it? Or are they being misled as much as we are? Collmenter's developing ulcers can't be overlooked as a clue.

Gibby has contradicted himself with his moves all season and the D'backs have been inconsistent in their losing as much as they win.

 

[thirty-two]

I'm talking about the manager sending Collmenter back to the bullpen, announced for long relief, then using him for short relief in the 6th or 7th innings until the ulcer took him out of action.
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That's mainly because our starters were making quality starts and therefore a long relief guy wasn't needed. Our starters were going well into the 6th/7th inning on their own, these past 10 games or so.

 

[BC867]

That's mainly because our starters were making quality starts and therefore a long relief guy wasn't needed. Our starters were going well into the 6th/7th inning on their own, these past 10 games or so.

Then perhaps Josh should have been throwing simulated 3-inning stints every 4-5 days instead of being used in a whole new role -- 1-inning relief appearances (his third role of the season).

I'm sorry, but my management standards are high (having overseen from ten to 110 people for over thirty years -- it's part of me) and I just haven't seen our manager or coaches using sophisticated management practices.

I will try to be less vocal about it. It is obviously not going to change . . . until Kirk Gibson goes the way of Buck Showalter, Bob Brenly and Bob Melvin (not to mention Al Pedrique and A.J. Hinch).

Don't you think that the Front Office is evaluating Gibby (who had no managerial experience prior to getting the job), our .500 record and our team which was picked to win the Division at the start of the season, as are some fans? His contract expires at the end of this season.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Can the sarcasm.

No.