Steve Keim taking an indefinite, health-related leave of absence

[Hoodhero]

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[ASUCHRIS]

Did you say anything to the group or did you let them drink in relative peace?

Give Mao some credit.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Grace and Keim managed to “stay out of trouble” last several years simply big using the Uber app. Behavior has been the same just stopped getting behind the wheel.

Grace would tell stories about how the Chicago cops would escort him home. Didn't quite get the same treatment in AZ.

 

[dscher]

Sean Kugler files arbitration case against Cardinals over his firing - ProFootballTalk

The Cardinals’ trip to Mexico City was marred by the sudden and abrupt termination of offensive line coach/run game coordinator Sean Kugler. The firing happened after Kugler had allegedly groped a woman.It all happened so quickly, that the question of whether Kugler did or didn’t actually do it...

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[Mainstreet]

I hope the Cardinals decide to hire a brand new GM instead of promoting from within but man is that tough to believe.

Maybe a former player with front office experience who has connections with the team. I'm not sure who that might be.

I'm not sure if Larry Fitzgerald is prepared.

The Suns hired James Jones as Director of Player Personnel before he was later hired as the Suns GM.

 

[Ronin]

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[BritCard]

Oh

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The internet is nuts.

Apart from bald and bearded Keim and Kugler are not remotely alike in age, build, gait, dress, voice or anything else.

And if you get fired due to mistaken identity you don't go to arbritration. You sue.

Arbritration is for when they don't want to pay you what they thing they should pay you.

Although I wouldn't be surprised to find they screwed this up somehow.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The internet is nuts.

Apart from bald and bearded Keim and Kugler are not remotely alike in age, build, gait, dress, voice or anything else.

And if you get fired due to mistaken identity you don't go to arbritration. You sue.

Arbritration is for when they don't want to pay you what they thing they should pay you.

ALthough I wouldn't be surprised to find they screwed this up somehow.

I was thinking similar...You don't arbitrate to clear your name or correct facts...You arbitrate about how much $$ you're owed on your contract.

 

[kerouac9]

I was thinking similar...You don't arbitrate to clear your name or correct facts...You arbitrate about how much $$ you're owed on your contract.

Sometimes that's how you're forced to resolve disagreements with your employer as a condition of your contract.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Oh man, if Keim was the one that did the groping instead of Kugler?

 

[football karma]

And if you get fired due to mistaken identity you don't go to arbritration. You sue.

coaches and GMs have employment contracts

that contract specifies any disagreement over employment goes to arbitration --- said differently: as the employee, you waive your right to sue

 

[TJ]

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[TJ]

There needs to be a Hard Knocks: Unfiltered series for this catastrophe of a season. You can’t script anything more eye catching than this

 

[football karma]

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btw:

the original situation was truly a no win situation for the Cards

i suppose they could have kept Kugler pending an investigation, but they would have been roasted publicly when the story cameout

i guess the only way this gets worse: if it really was Keim who did it

 

[Chopper0080]

assuming you mean 10PM (Sat night) -- because 10am the day of the game takes it to a whole new level

It wasn't a typo

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oh man, if Keim was the one that did the groping instead of Kugler?

So, let’s run wild with this just for a second.

If it comes out that Keim knew… AND so did Bidwill, and they threw Kugler under the bus, pretty much fingering him for sexual harassment… would that be grounds for the league to push Jr. Out the door and sell? That would be a truly horrific not just cover-up but proactive move to destroy someone’s entire life to protect your buddy.

 

[TJ]

Guys - remember when we had a player die this offseason? Me neither

 

[Dback Jon]

btw:

the original situation was truly a no win situation for the Cards

i suppose they could have kept Kugler pending an investigation, but they would have been roasted publicly when the story cameout

i guess the only way this gets worse: if it really was Keim who did it

Which means that it was, since this is the Cardinals

 

[jbjarko]

So, let’s run wild with this just for a second.

If it comes out that Keim knew… AND so did Bidwill, and they threw Kugler under the bus, pretty much fingering him for sexual harassment… would that be grounds for the league to push Jr. Out the door and sell? That would be a truly horrific not just cover-up but proactive move to destroy someone’s entire life to protect your buddy.

That would be a holy **** moment. 2 PHX Sports owners being forced out at the same time?

 

[Dback Jon]

So, let’s run wild with this just for a second.

If it comes out that Keim knew… AND so did Bidwill, and they threw Kugler under the bus, pretty much fingering him for sexual harassment… would that be grounds for the league to push Jr. Out the door and sell? That would be a truly horrific not just cover-up but proactive move to destroy someone’s entire life to protect your buddy.

Yes, IMHO - if Bidwill knew (or was told it could have been), then yes, Bidwill should be done as an owner.

 

[Chopper0080]

You can't make this mess up.

 

[Chopper0080]

Guys - remember when we had a player die this offseason? Me neither

It is crazy that this gets lost in the commotion.

 

[TJ]

Yes, IMHO - if Bidwill knew (or was told it could have been), then yes, Bidwill should be done as an owner.

Dan Snyder approves

 

[kerouac9]

So, let’s run wild with this just for a second.

If it comes out that Keim knew… AND so did Bidwill, and they threw Kugler under the bus, pretty much fingering him for sexual harassment… would that be grounds for the league to push Jr. Out the door and sell? That would be a truly horrific not just cover-up but proactive move to destroy someone’s entire life to protect your buddy.

No. The NFL and the membership stood idly by while Daniel Snyder sex-trafficked his cheerleading squad. And they hate that dude.

The Bidwill family is widely loved by the membership. If you don't believe me, check out ESPN.com's long read on Daniel Snyder and how they closed ranks when Snyder started running his mouth about Glendale as a Super Bowl site.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

btw:

the original situation was truly a no win situation for the Cards

i suppose they could have kept Kugler pending an investigation, but they would have been roasted publicly when the story cameout

i guess the only way this gets worse: if it really was Keim who did it

If Keim let Kugler take the fall for this and Keim was the perpetrator, then he should and will be effectively blackballed by the NFL.