Steve Keim - The 750K GM......

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Wow....The lowest paid GM in the NFL. Just another yes man in my opinion. Sad to think how much i bashed Rod Graves. You think the Cards were going to bring in a replacement for Levi and Bridges when they went down? how about entering a season with damaged RB's Wells/Williams? MB controls all of punches.

I'm pretty bummed out today. http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/images/icons/icon9.gif

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/15/with-mccoy-out-of-mix-cardinals-job-becomes-murky/

Just read the same thing. I think Mike B decided to go cheap after making Whis one of the highest paid coaches and then firing him. We don't have any improvements in place and nobody seems willing to come here. We're going to be a cheap team again (at least when it comes to staff). Horton isn't an upgrade and he's the only one willing to admit he wants the job.
 

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i m reading the comments ..all fans has great opinion about this ownership..a benglas fan wish we could hire gruden
 

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Since Mikey B wouldn't work with his agent, can we assume Keim negotiated this deal?

If so, I don't have much hope for him working out free agent contracts in a few months.
 

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i m reading the comments ..all fans has great opinion about this ownership..a benglas fan wish we could hire gruden

It is just overreaction based on someone's paycheck. There is no correlation, but some people want to find reasons to complain about the Bidwills.
 

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The giant red cardinal takes center stage, clears his throat and sings out, "Cheap, Cheap".
 

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Pretty sure nobody needs to "find" reasons to complain about the Bidwills. Decades of suckage will do that on its own.
 

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It is just overreaction based on someone's paycheck. There is no correlation, but some people want to find reasons to complain about the Bidwills.
Yes, because they have been pillars of excellence.
 

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This team has no QB and no OL, and the three teams in our division are SET with very good and young QBs. Two of our division rivals are contenders. This is what happens when you bust out on both a QB draft pick and a trade for one in 5 years time. Your division surpasses you and you're left behind. You can't make consecutive mistakes like that.

Until we can draft a franchise QB, we are the least-attractive team out there.
 

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Why would we expect anything else? They tried to swim in deeper waters, tried to be a legit NFL franchise, and failed. Now they will crawl back under their rock.
 

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Yes, because they have been pillars of excellence.

Yeah, while it is not good to live in the past, to ignore it is even worse. The Bidwills do not have a history of spending to legitimately compete in the NFL. They have a proven history of choosing the cheaper alternative to try and hit gold rather than paying for the option with a history of proven success. It isn't that they won't buy a Lexus, it's that they won't buy the Toyota either, and would prefer to gamble on the Kia.
 

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Meh - first time gig for Keim, probably going to be given a long leash; hopefully gives extra money to Leicht and money for more personnel in the scouting/personel areas (maybe analytics) that MB referred to...you give big money based on performance, not potential. So I don't see the issue if they can get great players over the next 3 years - if the reverse occurred (big salaries, poor performance), then I would question MB's business sense as that just happened with Whiz and staff
 

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Good 1st time GMs are more concerned about control than they are about their paycheck. Not saying that's the case here but Sam Presti(GM for the OKC Thunder) turned down higher paying jobs before becoming the lowest paid GM by a large margin in the NBA(Pat Riley technically had a lower salary but it didn't take into account his ownership stake).

I'd be more interested in what other teams interested in Keim were willing to pay.
 

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It's his first GM position. Had we paid $2mil for his services, people would say we paid too much.

His salary is not indicative of how successful or unsuccessful he will be. His actions will speak louder than his paycheck.

Remember - Keim was highly sought after on the free market and largely considered one of the top GM prospects this offseason.
 

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If $750K in the first year was such an insult to Keim, he didn't have to sign it. And, there was only Reid in the market who could possibly garner a 5+ million dollar deal. Let's see who is hired, etc, before returning to that very tired mantra: 'The Bidwill's are cheap!"
 

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It is just overreaction based on someone's paycheck. There is no correlation, but some people want to find reasons to complain about the Bidwills.

We don't have to "find" them, they slap us in the face almost every year.
 

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It is just overreaction based on someone's paycheck. There is no correlation, but some people want to find reasons to complain about the Bidwills.

Agreed.

Based on this logic, Kolb should be an MVP, and our interior line should be All-Pros.
 

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If $750K in the first year was such an insult to Keim, he didn't have to sign it. And, there was only Reid in the market who could possibly garner a 5+ million dollar deal. Let's see who is hired, etc, before returning to that very tired mantra: 'The Bidwill's are cheap!"

It's difficult to get away from a "mantra" that is created due to decisions made in the past, and then you make your GM the LEAST paid GM in the NFL. At some point, you don't get the benefit of the doubt. You will probably make the same arguement when the Cards sign Horton as their head coach and he is one of the lowest paid coaches in the NFL as well.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is reasonable for people to call it a duck.
 

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Yeah, while it is not good to live in the past, to ignore it is even worse. The Bidwills do not have a history of spending to legitimately compete in the NFL. They have a proven history of choosing the cheaper alternative to try and hit gold rather than paying for the option with a history of proven success. It isn't that they won't buy a Lexus, it's that they won't buy the Toyota either, and would prefer to gamble on the Kia.

I'm not really an apologist for this front office, but I'm not sure why we'd overpay to promote a guy who's already tied to this organization. Keim was really the only guy we wanted; we didn't talk to any other legitimate candidates other than a Rooney Rule guy. Blame Michael Bidwill's desire to have a more active role in the organization for that, not necessarily a knee-jerk financial reaction.

As joeshmo has said in the past, the last few years this team has been in the top third in the NFL in payroll for players; they've just invested that money poorly. That's the bigger problem with promoting Keim, IMO.

To be fair to Michael Bidwill, he was the guy who pulled the trigger on Ken Whisenhunt, against the guidance of Rod Graves (who reportedly wanted Ron Rivera as the head coach). I have faith that Bidwill can and will make another good decision on this front. It's just unfortunate that he blew out his offensive coaching staff before we could've gotten valuable information from them, like player evaluations that most teams do at the end of the year.

It's his first GM position. Had we paid $2mil for his services, people would say we paid too much.

His salary is not indicative of how successful or unsuccessful he will be. His actions will speak louder than his paycheck.

Remember - Keim was highly sought after on the free market and largely considered one of the top GM prospects this offseason.

That's pure spin, just like that Ray Horton is "guaranteed" to get head coach offerings elsewhere. Keim's gotten interviews around the league, but it's a tough sell for any organization to sign a general manager who has been responsible for a 13-30 team the last three seasons. Maybe Keim bears a lion's share of the responsibility for that, maybe he doesn't. But after teams talked to him, they tended to go in other directions.
 

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I'm not really an apologist for this front office, but I'm not sure why we'd overpay to promote a guy who's already tied to this organization. Keim was really the only guy we wanted; we didn't talk to any other legitimate candidates other than a Rooney Rule guy. Blame Michael Bidwill's desire to have a more active role in the organization for that, not necessarily a knee-jerk financial reaction.

As joeshmo has said in the past, the last few years this team has been in the top third in the NFL in payroll for players; they've just invested that money poorly. That's the bigger problem with promoting Keim, IMO.

To be fair to Michael Bidwill, he was the guy who pulled the trigger on Ken Whisenhunt, against the guidance of Rod Graves (who reportedly wanted Ron Rivera as the head coach). I have faith that Bidwill can and will make another good decision on this front. It's just unfortunate that he blew out his offensive coaching staff before we could've gotten valuable information from them, like player evaluations that most teams do at the end of the year.



That's pure spin, just like that Ray Horton is "guaranteed" to get head coach offerings elsewhere. Keim's gotten interviews around the league, but it's a tough sell for any organization to sign a general manager who has been responsible for a 13-30 team the last three seasons. Maybe Keim bears a lion's share of the responsibility for that, maybe he doesn't. But after teams talked to him, they tended to go in other directions.

Good point! It's called a home-town discount. Keim is the guy management wanted all along and just because he's less expensive than a more experienced individual is irrelevant.

For my money I'd rather have Steve Keim at 750k than Rod Graves at 1-million+. It's called 'value.' Besides it leaves more money to upgrade the scouting department which Michael has previously alluded to. It's all good!
 

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Good point! It's called a home-town discount. Keim is the guy management wanted all along and just because he's less expensive than a more experienced individual is irrelevant.

For my money I'd rather have Steve Keim at 750k than Rod Graves at 1-million+. It's called 'value.' Besides it leaves more money to upgrade the scouting department which Michael has previously alluded to. It's all good!

I am sure upgrading the scouting department is exactly what Michael had in mind when making Keim the lowest paid GM in the league.
 
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