Steve Keim - The 750K GM......

[Stop Whining]

Lets face it. MB is still on the hook paying for the previous regime. Theres no budget left to fill positions until Whif signs elsewhere. Could be awhile.

 

[Duckjake]

As joeshmo has said in the past, the last few years this team has been in the top third in the NFL in payroll for players; they've just invested that money poorly. That's the bigger problem with promoting Keim, IMO.

Which raises the possibility that the Bidwills after paying CKW one of the highest salaries in the NFL and tens of millions for Kolb and millions more for guys like Colledge and Snyder and getting nothing out of it except 5-11 seasons may have decided to go back to the days of Dollar Bill Bidwill and Keim being the lowest paid GM in the NFL is the first sign of it.

Who knows? We'll see what the real story is around the end of April.

EDIT:

MB is still on the hook paying for the previous regime. Theres no budget left to fill positions until Whif signs elsewhere

Good point Stopper. Hadn't thought about that. Could be what's going on.

 

[desertdawg]

Which raises the possibility that the Bidwills after paying CKW one of the highest salaries in the NFL and tens of millions for Kolb and millions more for guys like Colledge and Snyder and getting nothing out of it except 5-11 seasons may have decided to go back to the days of Dollar Bill Bidwill and Keim being the lowest paid GM in the NFL is the first sign of it.

Who knows? We'll see what the real story is around the end of April.

Unless Richard Bartell comes out and tells us first.

 

[Buckybird]

Lets face it. MB is still on the hook paying for the previous regime. Theres no budget left to fill positions until Whif signs elsewhere. Could be awhile.

Which is why we will probably hire someone like Jay Gruden as HC & pay him $1.5 mil/year & be a zero player in FA even if we cut Kolb, trade DD, etc. and create some cap space.

It's always about the bottom line with the family name & winning is never the #1 priority IMO.

 

[GuernseyCard]

It's difficult to get away from a "mantra" that is created due to decisions made in the past, and then you make your GM the LEAST paid GM in the NFL. At some point, you don't get the benefit of the doubt. You will probably make the same arguement when the Cards sign Horton as their head coach and he is one of the lowest paid coaches in the NFL as well.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is reasonable for people to call it a duck.

I don't know how... say... $1M to start would make Keim a better GM in year one. And lest we forget, the Bidwill's have shown uncommon loyalty and thus security to some of their key personnel over the years. Something that Keim may have considered. As for Horton, I would expect that as a first time HC that he'd be in the lower tier of salaries. Wouldn't you?

 

[desertdawg]

It could have been Keim's offer for all we know..."Hey Mikey, I'll name that tune in 750,000 seconds." Mikey said name that tune!!!

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't know how... say... $1M to start would make Keim a better GM in year one. And lest we forget, the Bidwill's have shown uncommon loyalty and thus security to some of their key personnel over the years. Something that Keim may have considered. As for Horton, I would expect that as a first time HC that he'd be in the lower tier of salaries. Wouldn't you?

Yes, and you get what you pay for. For every Mike Tomlin, there are many Mike Mularkey's. I'm not arguing Bidwill isn't paying what these guys may be worth, I am arguing that the less you invest, the less you can generally expect in return.

When we invest so little in the GM and head coaching positions, it is hard to blame anyone who expects it to produce very little return.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Yes, and you get what you pay for. For every Mike Tomlin, there are many Mike Mularkey's. I'm not arguing Bidwill isn't paying what these guys may be worth, I am arguing that the less you invest, the less you can generally expect in return.

When we invest so little in the GM and head coaching positions, it is hard to blame anyone who expects it to produce very little return.

Keim was a finalist for GM in St-Louis last year and Jacksonville this. He's supported by Licht who was a finalist in Chicago last year. Until proven differently, it strikes me as a pretty good tandem.

As for the H-C: We don't know who that will be or the cost, and given what the Cards paid Whiz, it seems clear the Bidwill's are willing to pay top dollar from success in the desert.

I'm convinced that they wanted Keim. I don't know whether I'll feel the same about the eventual HC, but, I won't make a direct correlation with salary in year one.

 

[binkar]

Proves that Michael Bidwill is a heck of a negotiator!

 

[Chopper0080]

Keim was a finalist for GM in St-Louis last year and Jacksonville this. He's supported by Licht who was a finalist in Chicago last year. Until proven differently, it strikes me as a pretty good tandem.

As for the H-C: We don't know who that will be or the cost, and given what the Cards paid Whiz, it seems clear the Bidwill's are willing to pay top dollar from success in the desert.

I'm convinced that they wanted Keim. I don't know whether I'll feel the same about the eventual HC, but, I won't make a direct correlation with salary in year one.

Meh, finalist is just a pretty name to put on someone who interviewed and wasn't hired. I'm not going to hang my hat on that. Personally, I think Keim could prove to be a good GM, but you get what you pay for. Paying $5mil to get a guy like Charlie Casserly or Bill Polian as your GM will generally pay out better than paying less than a mil for a unproven guy and hoping to strike gold. Again, I'm not saying Keim can't pay out, I'm just saying the chances are less than a proven option which generally will cost more.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Of all the other GMs in the league are any of them as young as Kiem or as inexperienced as Kiem?

 

[TruCard]

I really don't care who the Gm is because,

1.Mike Bidwill makes the decisions anyway
2.Anybody over Graves is an upgrade

When you actually think about it, you get paid 750k a year to be a runner for Mike Bidwill. Nice gig.

 

[JeffGollin]

Of all the other GMs in the league are any of them as young as Kiem or as inexperienced as Kiem?

In other words, how many other GM's are 40 or younger? (I'll bet more than a few). How many GM's have spent 15 years scouting in the boonies? (I'll bet less than a lot).

(I'm assuming you're challenging Steve's street creds, and I think he's got them).

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

In other words, how many other GM's are 40 or younger? (I'll bet more than a few). How many GM's have spent 15 years scouting in the boonies? (I'll bet less than a lot).

(I'm assuming you're challenging Steve's street creds, and I think he's got them).

I'm not challenging his credentials. I am just pointing out that he isn't exactly one of the guys with a lot of experience as a GM. Yes he has a scouting background, but up until a few years ago he was still scouting. I am sure that a lot of GMs spent quite a bit of time in positions such as Director of Player Personnel before getting their first GM job.

I like the hiring of Keim personally, but am just pointing out that there could be reasons other than being cheap that has him making just $750k.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't know how... say... $1M to start would make Keim a better GM in year one. And lest we forget, the Bidwill's have shown uncommon loyalty and thus security to some of their key personnel over the years. Something that Keim may have considered. As for Horton, I would expect that as a first time HC that he'd be in the lower tier of salaries. Wouldn't you?

It's not about whether Keim is a good GM. It's about the Cardinals perception as a cheap organization. Has nothing to do with whether the $ is right for him or if Keim is right for the job.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Meh, finalist is just a pretty name to put on someone who interviewed and wasn't hired. I'm not going to hang my hat on that. Personally, I think Keim could prove to be a good GM, but you get what you pay for. Paying $5mil to get a guy like Charlie Casserly or Bill Polian as your GM will generally pay out better than paying less than a mil for a unproven guy and hoping to strike gold. Again, I'm not saying Keim can't pay out, I'm just saying the chances are less than a proven option which generally will cost more.

Meh...

If Casserly was as "hot" as posters think, he wouldn't be peddling his wares for virtual peanuts on the NFL Network. And had Polian done a better job of transitioning from the Manning era, he'd still have a job. Last I checked, nobody is lining up to give them $750K to run their operations, let alone $5M.

(GM's, as you well know, are not born. They work there way up and Keim has done the grunt work... now we'll see.)

 

[GuernseyCard]

It's not about whether Keim is a good GM. It's about the Cardinals perception as a cheap organization. Has nothing to do with whether the $ is right for him or if Keim is right for the job.

And why should anybody care about that perception?

I certainly don't.

 

[40yearfan]

Yeah, while it is not good to live in the past, to ignore it is even worse. The Bidwills do not have a history of spending to legitimately compete in the NFL. They have a proven history of choosing the cheaper alternative to try and hit gold rather than paying for the option with a history of proven success. It isn't that they won't buy a Lexus, it's that they won't buy the Toyota either, and would prefer to gamble on the Kia.

Prove this. The Cardinals have been pusing up against the CAP every since they got their new stadium. They just ate $5 million of Whis's salary and I don't know how much for Graves and the other coaches. All you guys want to do is bitch, so you drag up things that happened 10 years ago and act like the team is still in that mode. This team has spent as much as any other NFL team in the past 5 years. Quit using ancient history to bust their balls.

 

[TRW]

Guess that Steve Keim agreed to it and is happy. That's about all it proves to me.

 

[cardpa]

just found out today that Keim is from Central Pa. They had an article in today's paper. He is wither going to be really good or really bad. That's how we raise them here. Article said he told his Mom he was going to be a NFL executive someday. Guess he is now.

By and by Wiz is suppose to be interviewing for the Eagles job.

 

[Duckjake]

And why should anybody care about that perception?

I certainly don't.

Me either but that was the jist of the article. That the Cards on are a budget and aren't spending. So people considering working for the organization might care a lot more than fans do.

I know I've read that Michael Bidwill cares about the perception that the franchise is the same old Cardinals.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Me either but that was the jist of the article. That the Cards on are a budget and aren't spending. So people considering working for the organization might care a lot more than fans do.

I know I've read that Michael Bidwill cares about the perception that the franchise is the same old Cardinals.

Take your point, however, I would imagine that anyone considering a job with the Cards would educate themselves as to the 'reality' of the situation.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Embarassing. Any anyone telling people to calm down or not a big deal doesn't get it.

If this was the Patriots it WOULDNT be a big deal. Because it is the Cardinals it is symptomatic of things we have all been hearing/discussing for years. Im surprised he didnt go full force for the Jax role.

I dont know about eveyone else but with the news on McCoy I have this impending sense of doom that the Cardinals are going to make a decision here that going to negatively effect my overall quality of life for the next 3+ years.

 

[WarnerHOF]

I'm still skeptical about promoting a guy who has a horrible resume at best. It probably would have made more sense to get a respectable outsider who wasn't responsible for destroying the team in the first place.

 

[Broseph]

$750k a year, geez how is he going to put food on the table for his family?