Steven Threet named starting qb for ASU football

[FArting]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu...tball-steven-threet-starting-quarterback.html

 

[HooverDam]

Im happy with this decision. Im a bit worried that DE says Osweiller will still play, I hope that doesn't mean he'll be oscillating back and forth between QBs the moment Threet throws a pick or whatever.

 

[Gaddabout]

I think it means this competition isn't over.

 

[HooverDam]

I think it means this competition isn't over.

Thats what Im worried about...

 

[Gaddabout]

Thats what Im worried about...

They're treating these first two games as preseason games. If Oz gets any playing time, it will only be meaningful with the first team, though. If he comes out behind the second team OL, I think we'll know what the coaches think.

 

[devilfan02]

I think it means this competition isn't over.

Yep. DE would have redshirted Oz if he was totally confident with Threet.

IMO, Oz will be starter heading into the Washington game after we're 2-3. It will be the same QB shuffle as year which is gonna suck ass.

 

[Gaddabout]

Yep. DE would have redshirted Oz if he was totally confident with Threet.

IMO, Oz will be starter heading into the Washington game after we're 2-3. It will be the same QB shuffle as year which is gonna suck ass.

There's no point in redshirting Oz with Taylor Kelly right behind him (Kelly will definitely be redshirted barring injury problems). It allows them to put two years between Kelly and Oz. Oz was never going to be redshirted.

 

[devilfan02]

There's no point in redshirting Oz with Taylor Kelly right behind him (Kelly will definitely be redshirted barring injury problems). It allows them to put two years between Kelly and Oz. Oz was never going to be redshirted.

DE and Oz discussed him redshirting and it's on the record. It was definitely an option they considered and Oz is open to it.

Also, putting any type of faith into a months worth of practice (Taylor Kelly) is a huge stretch. He's a HUGE unknown and shouldn't play into the decision of whether or not to RS Oz.

Every QB since Rudy was supposed to be the savior and each has failed to provide a spark to the offense (I know, not all their fault). I'm not about to annoint Kelly, whose only other offer was from Nevada, as the next great ASU QB. I'm completely in the "I'll believe it when I see it" mode w/ Erickson & Co.

Don't mean to take my anger out on you but I'm clearly frustrated

 

[Gaddabout]

DE and Oz discussed him redshirting and it's on the record. It was definitely an option they considered and Oz is open to it.

Also, putting any type of faith into a months worth of practice (Taylor Kelly) is a huge stretch. He's a HUGE unknown and shouldn't play into the decision of whether or not to RS Oz.

Every QB since Rudy was supposed to be the savior and each has failed to provide a spark to the offense (I know, not all their fault). I'm not about to annoint Kelly, whose only other offer was from Nevada, as the next great ASU QB. I'm completely in the "I'll believe it when I see it" mode w/ Erickson & Co.

Don't mean to take my anger out on you but I'm clearly frustrated

I didn't see those comments, so I'll take you at your word, but I don't see how Oz could have redshirted unless Threet played every single down this year (maybe Plummer did that his junior year, but I don't think one ASU QB has taken every snap all season in the Pac-10 era). Samson can't run the whole offense because he can't throw down field with his shoulder and the only way Kelly sees time this year is if the other three guys are on crutches.

Also, you can feel comfortable that Kelly has shown great natural ability in practice this fall. He definitely belongs at this level. With some coaching, he could be REALLY, REALLY good. That said, the comparisons to Plummer were ridiculous. Plummer has decent fundamentals for a prep player and was highly recruited regionally. It came down to ASU and Stanford for his services, and Snyder had to beat back Bill Walsh to get him. Kelly wasn't that prolific, although he's probably a better athlete.

I think Oz remains a bigger project than Kelly because Oz has serious footwork issues related to his height. I'm not sure how much of Oz's footwork can be fixed, in the way it's so challenging to teach a basketball player with abnormally large hands to shoot free throws. I almost wish Oz would take a few dance classes to gain more coordination and balance.

 

[devilfan02]

I didn't see those comments, so I'll take you at your word, but I don't see how Oz could have redshirted unless Threet played every single down this year (maybe Plummer did that his junior year, but I don't think one ASU QB has taken every snap all season in the Pac-10 era). Samson can't run the whole offense because he can't throw down field with his shoulder and the only way Kelly sees time this year is if the other three guys are on crutches.

Also, you can feel comfortable that Kelly has shown great natural ability in practice this fall. He definitely belongs at this level. With some coaching, he could be REALLY, REALLY good. That said, the comparisons to Plummer were ridiculous. Plummer has decent fundamentals for a prep player and was highly recruited regionally. It came down to ASU and Stanford for his services, and Snyder had to beat back Bill Walsh to get him. Kelly wasn't that prolific, although he's probably a better athlete.

I think Oz remains a bigger project than Kelly because Oz has serious footwork issues related to his height. I'm not sure how much of Oz's footwork can be fixed, in the way it's so challenging to teach a basketball player with abnormally large hands to shoot free throws.

Erickson's plans for the No. 2 quarterback are unknown. Osweiler is the obvious choice, but it's possible - although unlikely - he could red-shirt. The quarterback was open to the idea earlier in camp.
"Definitely,'" he said. "Obviously, that's something that I haven't really thought about because the only thing I have thought about is winning that job. But in the case maybe I don't, obviously that's a viable option."
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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu...tball-steven-threet-starting-quarterback.html

There are other quotes from subscription sites that I can't post here.

I was at a couple practices this fall and was impressed by Kelly. However, that doesn't always translate to the playing field so I will remain cautiously optomistic. ​

 

[HooverDam]

Bleck as we thought:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/DouglasHaller/97268

The competition hasn't really be won yet. Threet has an edge, but Oz could be the guy by the time they go to Madison.

 

[devilfan02]

Bleck as we thought:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/DouglasHaller/97268

The competition hasn't really be won yet. Threet has an edge, but Oz could be the guy by the time they go to Madison.

As I said earlier, my predicition is that Oz will be the starter by the Washington game at the latest. I don't envision us beating Wisconsin, Oregon, or Oregon St. so DE will make a change to try and save the season heading into the UW game.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Not trying to pile on here, but why even start Threet then in the first place and have Oz miss valuable playing experience in the two warm-up games if he's the guy down the road? It makes zero sense. Eric Boateng could start at QB for ASU and it's not like they would lose to either of those FCS schools. Give the kid his reps if he's the future.

And Gadd - forgive me for taking your optimism on any QB at ASU with a handful of salt after your preseason touting of Danny Sullivan last fall.

 

[devilfan02]

Not trying to pile on here, but why even start Threet then in the first place and have Oz miss valuable playing experience in the two warm-up games if he's the guy down the road? It makes zero sense. Eric Boateng could start at QB for ASU and it's not like they would lose to either of those FCS schools. Give the kid his reps if he's the future.

IMO, he's going w/ Threet for a couple different reasons -

1) DE's job's on the line and he feels Threet gives them the best chance to win due to his game experience at Michigan (which doesn't matter if you ask me - didn't play many games and it was a ways back).

2) IMO, DE feels the two warm up games will knock off Threets rust and make him game ready for the Wisky/Oregon/Oregon St. stretch.

3) Threet is best suited for Mazzones offense at this time. This offense will run out of the no-huddle 95% of the time and QB's have to make quick decisions on short-intermediate routes. Further, Mazzone thinks the no huddle will result in a play every 13 seconds which obviously means the QB will have to decipher a lot. They must feel Threet is more capable of handling these pressures which doesn't surprise me.

All in all, I think you either start Oz or you RS him. None of this QB shuffle BS because it's a complete waste of everyones time.

 

[Gaddabout]

Not trying to pile on here, but why even start Threet then in the first place and have Oz miss valuable playing experience in the two warm-up games if he's the guy down the road? It makes zero sense. Eric Boateng could start at QB for ASU and it's not like they would lose to either of those FCS schools. Give the kid his reps if he's the future.

And Gadd - forgive me for taking your optimism on any QB at ASU with a handful of salt after your preseason touting of Danny Sullivan last fall.

Oz is by no means the future for certain. I don't understand why people keep saying this. He has a long ways to go, and you don't throw away a season if you think you might have a better guy ahead of him. It would be different if Oz ran away from Threet, but the opposite has happened. I think that puts Oz's golden boy status in serious jeopardy.

And I stand by my assessment of Sullivan. He was not nearly as awful as people portrayed him to be, and that offense was broken at the core. You'll notice the offensive coordinator/QB coach was shown the door as well.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

And I stand by my assessment of Sullivan. He was not nearly as awful as people portrayed him to be

Yes. He. Was.

 

[Gaddabout]

Yes. He. Was.

2K yards, 10 TDs, 110 QB rating. Not even close to the worst season in ASU history. That belongs to Dan Ford (who went to a bowl game, somehow), and there are five guys behind Sullivan in the Pac-10 era.

Go back and watch the offense last year. Aside from the OL being a sieve, the receivers weren't even running the right routes and the dropped a record amount of balls. The running game was non-existent.

The problem is gone, and I'm not talking about Sullivan.

Back to Oz/Threet: The guys are almost carbon copies of each other. The difference is Threet gets what the agenda of the offense is -- get through the reads quickly and get rid of the ball. For whatever reason, the lightbulb hasn't come on for Oz yet and he clearly has accuracy problems 10 yards in, especially on the timing routes.

 

[HooverDam]

Not trying to pile on here, but why even start Threet then in the first place and have Oz miss valuable playing experience in the two warm-up games if he's the guy down the road? It makes zero sense.

Because I don't think there's anything to say Oz is for the guy down the road. Theoretically if Threet works out he could start every game this year, hopefully lead ASU to a low level bowl game and then next year (a year I think a lot of ASU fans have high hopes for) take ASU to a bigger bowl. Then Oz would take over his Senior season in 2012.

 

[Mulli]

Geez, are you all saying that, like Brad Pitt, ASU has too many choices?
:number1:

 

[PoolBoy]

brock won't redshirt, i would be shocked

 

[devilfan02]

Because I don't think there's anything to say Oz is for the guy down the road. Theoretically if Threet works out he could start every game this year, hopefully lead ASU to a low level bowl game and then next year (a year I think a lot of ASU fans have high hopes for) take ASU to a bigger bowl. Then Oz would take over his Senior season in 2012.

Oz will transfer if Threet is the starter the next two years. No way he stays for the chance the play one year.

 

[devilfan02]

brock won't redshirt, i would be shocked

He's playing this Saturday

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Oz will transfer if Threet is the starter the next two years. No way he stays for the chance the play one year.

Yeah, very few QB's who could play elsewhere in FCS would hang around in that scenario.

If I were ASU fans I'd just hope Threet takes the job and runs away with it and let the chips fall where they may in 2012 which in all likelihood does not include Osweiler.

 

[devilfan02]

Yeah, very few QB's who could play elsewhere in FCS would hang around in that scenario.

If I were ASU fans I'd just hope Threet takes the job and runs away with it and let the chips fall where they may in 2012 which in all likelihood does not include Osweiler.

Oz will not be a Devil in 2011 if Threet locks down the job. He still has a RS year which he can use if he transfers to another D1 school and would have two years to play. Luckily for him he still has time and options.

I don't really care who our QB is but someone needs to take the job and run with it. Our program will continue to suffer if we play QB shuffle like last year... Ideally, I would like for Oz to secure the job and keep it for 3 years. Who knows.

 

[devilfan02]

2K yards, 10 TDs, 110 QB rating. Not even close to the worst season in ASU history. That belongs to Dan Ford (who went to a bowl game, somehow), and there are five guys behind Sullivan in the Pac-10 era.

Go back and watch the offense last year. Aside from the OL being a sieve, the receivers weren't even running the right routes and the dropped a record amount of balls. The running game was non-existent.

The problem is gone, and I'm not talking about Sullivan.

Back to Oz/Threet: The guys are almost carbon copies of each other. The difference is Threet gets what the agenda of the offense is -- get through the reads quickly and get rid of the ball. For whatever reason, the lightbulb hasn't come on for Oz yet and he clearly has accuracy problems 10 yards in, especially on the timing routes.

You're joking, right? Sullivan was easily one of the worst, if not the worst, QB's in ASU history. I don't feel like scrolling threw the record books pre-1990 but his season last year has to be the worst of all time.

110 QB rating ranked him 107th out of 115 D1 QB's. This isn't the NFL where a 110 QB rating is good... A 110 is AWFUL in college.

6.2 YPA ranked him 105th out of 115 D1 QB's.

53% completion percentage ranked him 104th out of 115 D1 QB's.

1,900 passing yards ranked him 87th out of 115 (granted, he didn't play 2 games).

Threw for more than 250 yds twice.

About the only bright spot was he threw for more TD's than INT's. Doesn't say much when you only throw 10 TD's compared to 9 INT's.

As you said, there was more to the problem than just Sullivan but he is easily one of the worst ASU QB's ever.