Stoudemire fired up this offseason
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You started out well and then got lost in the woods with this post. Somehow you got my point upside down. I pointed out that Amare talks big but delivers. Amare does not sound like Nash but neither does he rip guys or act like jerk. Calling Amare "pretty good" was designed to be an understatement and it is beyond belief you saw it as a criticism.
As for running the offense through Boris, it has nothing to do with Amare. Boris is a very good ball handler for a big, so it might make sense to use that when Nash is out. D'Antoni talk about it lot, but didn't really do much about it. But that is a long way from saying Boris is better than Amare.
BTW, I'm not sure what comments about "I'll believe it when I see it" are about. Every year is different and you could probably say the same thing about most statements. In truth, nothing is certain until they get on the floor. Up to that it is all opinion including cynical opinions
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Not sure where all this disdain for A. Stoudemire comes from.
Drafted out of high school and has improved his game every year despite a major knee surgery.
Maybe it's the largely conservative fanbase here that simply get's irritated when his inflated ego shines thru......
unlike a guy like Nash who's calls zero attention to himself and is conversely adored.
Drafted out of high school and has improved his game every year despite a major knee surgery.
Maybe it's the largely conservative fanbase here that simply get's irritated when his inflated ego shines thru......
unlike a guy like Nash who's calls zero attention to himself and is conversely adored.
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I typed up a little rebuttal to what was being written about Amare, then thought "What for?" Maybe some people just like to be critical about Amare, why bang my head against the wall 
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Porter is someone Amare may never have had to help him learn things. He sounds fired up about the changes already.(remember, Dantoni had four years to teach Amare anything he wanted)
I expect to see improvements in defense and rebounding from the whole team but why doubt Amare? Of all people on the team, he is the least likely to not improve. He has what you can't teach; heart, determination, the will to dominate, the drive to improve his game every year, (sounds like Diaw.....
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? So I just went with the ""Porter is someone Amare may never have had to help him learn things. He sounds fired up about the changes already.(remember, Dantoni had four years to teach Amare anything he wanted)
I expect to see improvements in defense and rebounding from the whole team but why doubt Amare? Of all people on the team, he is the least likely to not improve. He has what you can't teach; heart, determination, the will to dominate, the drive to improve his game every year, (sounds like Diaw.....
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I don't know if the coaching staff can get Boris to be the guy that dives on the floor for rebounds, slams down dunks, and does other stuff to prove aggressiveness. But hanging round Thunder Dan can't hurt.
Nor will it hurt to have added guys like Barnes, Lopez and Amundson into the mix who are aggressive and athletic. A guy can gt TOO comfortable without competition.
I'm encouraged by Diaw passing on the Eurobasket tournament and spending much of the summer working out in Phoenix. My hope is that he has the message about condititoning and doing everything he can to get better,
Nor will it hurt to have added guys like Barnes, Lopez and Amundson into the mix who are aggressive and athletic. A guy can gt TOO comfortable without competition.
I'm encouraged by Diaw passing on the Eurobasket tournament and spending much of the summer working out in Phoenix. My hope is that he has the message about condititoning and doing everything he can to get better,
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about body fat:
http://bodyfattest.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=32
"The minimum percent body fat considered safe and acceptable for good health is 5% for males and 12% for females. The average adult body fat is closer to 15%-18% for men and 22%-25% for women."
I seriously doubt the suns would even permit his body fat to be at a dangerous level with their financial commitment to him.
Amare never had a problem with body fat. 2% is hilarious, Im LOL at what some people will eat up when spoon fed. He's gonna get hit and hurt if he's 2%, or he'll have no energy reserve(the body converts fat into glucose, when glucose is low). The worlds VERY best endurance athletes have 5-6% body fat, like guys that do the tour de france, and run marathons. Besides, Amare needs to get stronger, not skinnier. If he just plays some good fundamental defense with his body positioning, I dont care if he scores 5ppg less, or blocks 3 shots.
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It sure sounds impressive (2%). Now if I could only get someone to believe that about me... not a chance.
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I wonder what Shaq's body fat is.
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I doubt that. Maybe that's the average range of what's considered "healthy," but no way can it be the actual average. I'm only slightly overweight -- and look downright fit by American standards -- and my body fat is somewhere in the low 30s. If I got down to 20%, I'd be one of the leanest-looking adults I know.
nowagimp
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I dont know what measurements you had, but
many body fat measurement methods are prone to high errors:
Body Calipers
Body calipers are used to measure skinfold thickness at various sites to estimate body fat percentages. Because the degree of error is potentially high, this method of fat measurement is just about useless if not in the hands of an expert-–and that means someone with a lot of practice and validation in order to judge the correct places on the body and the right amount of skinfold to capture. A quality pair of medical calipers is a good start.
Bioelectrical Impedance Analysis (BIA)
BIA uses a small electronic pulse that passes through muscle and fat at different rates. However, its measurements may be thrown off by how hydrated you are and how much you've eaten; it may be too inaccurate for anything other than comparative use. Users are encouraged to establish a baseline measurement and repeat measurements under consistent conditions over time to detect changes. Tanita is a popular brand.
DEXA Scanning
DEXA stands for dual energy x-ray absorptiometry and is sometimes simply called DXA. DEXA is most often used to measure bone density and lean mass, but it can also deliver fat mass readings. The system uses a body scanner, and the process can take about 15 minutes and cost upward of $100 depending on where you live and the availability and use of such technology. It appears to be quite accurate within about a 3 percent error.
Water Weighing
Essentially this entails dunking you completely underwater while you sit on scales and expel all air from the lungs. The technology is based on the displacement of water and the different density of fat and lean muscle mass. This is also an accurate method, although mainly restricted to academic and research establishments because of the enveloping nature of the procedure.
The Bod Pod
This device has been around for about 10 years and may be the best of all. The Bod Pod is an egg-shaped cocoon within which you are enclosed for about 5 minutes. It works on the same principle as water weighing except you displace air instead of water. It's called "plethysmography". No mess, no fears of drowning. It is reported to have an accuracy of 2 percent.
So you may not have as high a body fat as you think.
elindholm
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Woohoo! Yeah, I just have one of those scales that's supposed to measure it through my feet. I figured it wasn't very accurate, but probably adequate for a very rough approximation. My BMI is 28 but even that measure is sort of weird in my case, because my body is oddly shaped (legs too short, torso too long).
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Treesquid you were a little over generalizing and off putting with your post (frustrated much bud?) but I think I agree with your overall point. For some reasons alot of Suns fans have some of the biggest "woe is me" attitude and most insane perspective of reality.
Just like DA was the worst thing ever Amare can't buy a fan who believes in him nowadays.
He is a Top 10 player and thats including his defeciencies. And I expect him to win an MVP some day.
Lesson as always: Haters - they gonna hate.....
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Lesson as always: Haters - they gonna hate.....
Lesson taught by a laker fan ..... ugh!
elindholm
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As a franchise, the Suns have had three league MVPs and zero titles. No other team can make that claim. League MVPs don't do it for me anymore.
I'm nowhere near a Stoudemire hater, but his big talk doesn't win any games. Especially not in the postseason.
nowagimp
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thats a bioimpedance device, exhibits large errors with different tissue hydration states. This could be a considerable problem out west, where its dry. Eric if you had 30% body fat, you would likely be depressed looking in the mirror. This device is likely only useful in measuring relative body fat(before and after a diet).
elindholm
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I'm depressed regardless, but I take your point.
I already have a device for that. It's called a belt.
Thanks for the information!
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I remember Dan Majerle saying he had 2% body fat back when he was with the Suns. It was on all the radio commercials for those Majerle bars. I don't think it really matters how much % Amare's body fat is, it's obvious just by looking at him he has almost no fat.
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This was the most common cliche used by laker fans on this board when anyone else criticized kobe in any way or disagreed with his winning the MVP. Coming from a suns fans it sounds kind of strange.
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Treesquid you were a little over generalizing and off putting with your post (frustrated much bud?) but I think I agree with your overall point. For some reasons alot of Suns fans have some of the biggest "woe is me" attitude and most insane perspective of reality.
Just like DA was the worst thing ever Amare can't buy a fan who believes in him nowadays.
He is a Top 10 player and thats including his defeciencies. And I expect him to win an MVP some day.
Lesson as always: Haters - they gonna hate.....
nah dude, I am passionate about the suns more than any other pro team here, I think Amare gets a BS rap. He works hard and a lot harder than people think, unfortunately he sucks on defense, runs his mouth and some lame draft website mistakenly compared him to Ben Wallace, people have never been able to consider the fact that was a just poor evaluation.
Amare is a bad defensive player, but he is money on offense, everyone has weaknesses and people just hammer him, while lazy punks like Diaw can show up every 8th game and get massive praise I think it's a double standard. Amare rules IMO despite his massive flaws as a player. There is nothing that gives me greater euphoria than watching Amare tear people up on offense.
Actually there are only a few people who are huge Diaw fans. Not too long ago there was a big campaign to trade Diaw for cap space or a third string point guard. It got so strong that there was a counter push to offset it. Here's what I think Diaw needs to work on
1. Rebounding: Blocking out or not, his rebounding is awful for an inside guy.
2. Go Harder to the Basket: Diaw would pass up easy shots to make an unnecessary pass or go up so soft he could be blocked. He can dunk, but doesn't when he should.
3. Improve his Outside Shot: Diaw is physically an SF but lacks the range or pure shot accuracy. Some may come from playing for France in previous summers, but Amare has become a good outside shooter and Diaw hasn't improved that much.
4. Intensity: Diaw is very athletic but doesn't finish on the break, chase lose balls, or show other signs of playing hard every second on the floor.
Diaw is something of the "anti-Amare" in that he lacks many of the characteristics that makes Amare stand out. Since most of Diaw's issues are attitude rather than ability, I hope that some Dan Majerle attitude can rub off.
1. Rebounding: Blocking out or not, his rebounding is awful for an inside guy.
2. Go Harder to the Basket: Diaw would pass up easy shots to make an unnecessary pass or go up so soft he could be blocked. He can dunk, but doesn't when he should.
3. Improve his Outside Shot: Diaw is physically an SF but lacks the range or pure shot accuracy. Some may come from playing for France in previous summers, but Amare has become a good outside shooter and Diaw hasn't improved that much.
4. Intensity: Diaw is very athletic but doesn't finish on the break, chase lose balls, or show other signs of playing hard every second on the floor.
Diaw is something of the "anti-Amare" in that he lacks many of the characteristics that makes Amare stand out. Since most of Diaw's issues are attitude rather than ability, I hope that some Dan Majerle attitude can rub off.
