Strange draft

[RugbyMuffin]

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So I got to thinking, that it is great we drafted a fullback and a TE in the draft. Along with a running back in the 2nd round.

Now goodness knows I am just a Joe Blow football fan, but does this mean we are going to try and run the ball this year ?

With our offensive line ?

I have been tricked by this thinking for 2 seasons now. Waiting for smashmouth football. Not buying it this year. I don't understand why you invest that much in the future of the team in the run game that is never used.

 

[joeshmo]

Did they never run the ball because they didn't want to or because they couldn't.

Did they ever trust the highest percentage in fumbles per touches RB over the last two years in the NFL in Hightower to carry the run game? Did the trust the often hurt and may not have fire for the game Wells? Did they never run the ball because you have Warner in 2009 making the audibles that he wanted which was to pass? Did they never run the ball last year because teams were putting up huge amounts of points on our defense?

I dont think it is a matter of Wiz not wanting to run, I think it is a matter of circumstances and personnel that made him not want to run. Or New OC is being allowed to put his stamp on this thing.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Did they never run the ball because they didn't want to or because they couldn't.

Did they ever trust the highest percentage in fumbles per touches RB over the last two years in the NFL in Hightower to carry the run game? Did the trust the often hurt and may not have fire for the game Wells? Did they never run the ball because you have Warner in 2009 making the audibles that he wanted which was to pass? Did they never run the ball last year because teams were putting up huge amounts of points on our defense?

I dont think it is a matter of Wiz not wanting to run, I think it is a matter of circumstances and personnel that made him not want to run. Or New OC is being allowed to put his stamp on this thing.

I agree. Hopefully, the same is true of our blatant disregard of the TE position.

Steve

 

[WildBB]

Did they never run the ball because they didn't want to or because they couldn't.

Did they ever trust the highest percentage in fumbles per touches RB over the last two years in the NFL in Hightower to carry the run game? Did the trust the often hurt and may not have fire for the game Wells? Did they never run the ball because you have Warner in 2009 making the audibles that he wanted which was to pass? Did they never run the ball last year because teams were putting up huge amounts of points on our defense?

I dont think it is a matter of Wiz not wanting to run, I think it is a matter of circumstances and personnel that made him not want to run. Or New OC is being allowed to put his stamp on this thing.

Bingo!

They have to find a way to control the clock better.

 

[kerouac9]

Drafted Levi Brown: we're gonna run.
Drafted Beanie Wells: we're gonna run.
Named Grimm run game coordinator: we're gonna run.
Signed Faneca: we're gonna run.
Started Anderson: we're gonna run.
Started rookie QBs: we're gonna run.

You'll excuse me if I wait until we actually start running the ball before I celebrate our smashmouth rush offense.

 

[freebyrd]

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So I got to thinking, that it is great we drafted a fullback and a TE in the draft. Along with a running back in the 2nd round.

Now goodness knows I am just a Joe Blow football fan, but does this mean we are going to try and run the ball this year ?

With our offensive line ?

I have been tricked by this thinking for 2 seasons now. Waiting for smashmouth football. Not buying it this year. I don't understand why you invest that much in the future of the team in the run game that is never used.

i don't know i have been completely out of the loop this year, but overall it seems that we drafted what we thought was best player available regardless of position,

isn't that what is widely regarded as the right way to approach the draft?,
it sure didn't seem like we were drafting for need

 

[JeffGollin]

It was, indeed, a strange draft.

Usually (whether you agree with them or not) you can figure out what the Cardinal FO is up to.

This time, we not only didn't draft for need, you could say that (with the exception of LB - kind of) we drafted away from need.

But at the same time, I'm not sure we drafted the BPA in every case either (Usually, the Cardinal BPA board appears to be a lot closer to the ones we fans have; but evidently not this time).

Passing on a talented group of DT's til Round 6b to draft Carter (who is rated in the 30's position-wise) was a bit strange. Only a bit less strange was going after a WR with our 7th round pick (although if you read his write ups, Sampson - considered "slow" but who ran 4.41 on his pro day) has a unique back story).

What it will all boil down is how each individual rookie shows up to launch his new career; how intensely he applies himself and how this translates to on-the-field performance.

 

[Duckjake]

Drafted Levi Brown: we're gonna run.
Drafted Beanie Wells: we're gonna run.
Named Grimm run game coordinator: we're gonna run.
Signed Faneca: we're gonna run.
Started Anderson: we're gonna run.
Started rookie QBs: we're gonna run.

You'll excuse me if I wait until we actually start running the ball before I celebrate our smashmouth rush offense.

I'm with you. The Cards have never been a running team. They've gotten rid of every good running back they've ever had and have far more success with Wide Receivers than any other position. The Bidwills like the passing game. They own the team so we're going to throw.

Therefore we draft a better receiver at RB (or so I've heard) and a receiving TE to be able to throw the ball better.

However, they get the best talent in the draft to play CB, a solid SOLB and a guy named Quan to play ILB to go along with other young talent on D like Schofield and the Big Difference and Daryl Washington and CCampbell, and maybe, just maybe they've finally built a Defense that when our passing game gets ahead 17-0 they don't have to hang on to win 31-28 and every once in a while can utilize the rush game to run out the clock.

 

[football karma]

this draft will hinge on the 2nd and 3rd round picks -- both of which are very high ceiling kind of players but projections

the 2009 Ryan Williams was a top half of the draft kind of player. The 2010 one was slowed by a hamstring injury all year long. While the Cards took him about where he was rated, its a risk (almost like a Robert Quinn type risk) to project that the team will get the 2009 version rather than the 2010 one. If they get the 2009 version, the team will have a guy who can make people miss in the second level.

Housler is the good size, great speed, good hands player -- but why didn't he dominate at FAU? Again, seems like a projection, but one that if it works out -- the Cards will finally have a TE that can threaten the seam or create mismatches underneath with linebackers. I guess one would have to go back to Jay Novacek with the Cardinals to find the last TE who could do that for the team.

Peterson will be a fine player --but if Williams and Housler "work" -- its a draft that fixes some problems the team has had for a long time.

 

[Duckjake]

this draft will hinge on the 2nd and 3rd round picks -- both of which are very high ceiling kind of players but projections

the 2009 Ryan Williams was a top half of the draft kind of player. The 2010 one was slowed by a hamstring injury all year long. While the Cards took him about where he was rated, its a risk (almost like a Robert Quinn type risk) to project that the team will get the 2009 version rather than the 2010 one. If they get the 2009 version, the team will have a guy who can make people miss in the second level.

Housler is the good size, great speed, good hands player -- but why didn't he dominate at FAU? Again, seems like a projection, but one that if it works out -- the Cards will finally have a TE that can threaten the seam or create mismatches underneath with linebackers. I guess one would have to go back to Jay Novacek with the Cardinals to find the last TE who could do that for the team.

Peterson will be a fine player --but if Williams and Housler "work" -- its a draft that fixes some problems the team has had for a long time.

Good points. In addition if Peterson is as good as advertised and Acho plays as well for the Cards as he did for the Longhorns and our 2010 futures pick Schofield along with DWsquared keep improving like they did last season we've fixed a problem this team has had for over a quarter of a century.

 

[Unsterblich856]

We'll commit to the run when we actually COMMIT to the run. We've gone three years in a row where we rank dead last in rushing attempts per game, even with the worst group of QBs we'll see in a long damn time.

I hope this is the catalyst that gets the run game going. We just have to start running to actually find out.

 

[WildBB]

We'll commit to the run when we actually COMMIT to the run. We've gone three years in a row where we rank dead last in rushing attempts per game, even with the worst group of QBs we'll see in a long damn time.

I hope this is the catalyst that gets the run game going. We just have to start running to actually find out.

I think they're going to try their damdest this coming yr.

It's the yr. we play smashmouth.

Or at least balanced.

 

[Mainstreet]

Did they never run the ball because they didn't want to or because they couldn't.

IMO, the Cardinals couldn't run the ball. The Cardinals passed the ball so often because they couldn't run it... not because they ignored a successful running game. Perhaps if the Cardinals can get a veteran QB they can get some balance in their offense between passing and running. It's not like last season the Cardinals could hand the ball off to their RBs and expect them to pound the ball down field.

 

[Buckybird]

Did they never run the ball because they didn't want to or because they couldn't.

Did they ever trust the highest percentage in fumbles per touches RB over the last two years in the NFL in Hightower to carry the run game? Did the trust the often hurt and may not have fire for the game Wells? Did they never run the ball because you have Warner in 2009 making the audibles that he wanted which was to pass? Did they never run the ball last year because teams were putting up huge amounts of points on our defense?

I dont think it is a matter of Wiz not wanting to run, I think it is a matter of circumstances and personnel that made him not want to run. Or New OC is being allowed to put his stamp on this thing.

And yet last year we threw 70% of the time & couldn't!!! I'm not buying it Joe. In 2009 the Cards ran the ball with some success when they wanted to & commited to more carries.

 

[Zeno]

All I can say is I hope everyone of the players we drafted contributes to the team. I know that doesn't happen very often but I am really hoping we struck gold with at least the first 5-6 picks...even if the only contributions we get in year one are on special teams that will mean something.

 

[PACardsFan]

IMO, the Cardinals couldn't run the ball. The Cardinals passed the ball so often because they couldn't run it... not because they ignored a successful running game. Perhaps if the Cardinals can get a veteran QB they can get some balance in their offense between passing and running. It's not like last season the Cardinals could hand the ball off to their RBs and expect them to pound the ball down field.

Your analysis is correct. But it had more to do with the ineptitide of our QB play than anything else. Teams stacked the line & our QB play was so pathetic that it couldn't make defenses pay. If our QB play doesn't improve this year, we'll suffer the same fate. It doesn't matter who's in the backfield or on the OL. When a D overplays the run, you better be prepared to air it out. We couldn't & our opponents knew we couldn't. A veteran QB will help us IMMENSELY.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Your analysis is correct. But it had more to do with the ineptitide of our QB play than anything else. Teams stacked the line & our QB play was so pathetic that it couldn't make defenses pay. If our QB play doesn't improve this year, we'll suffer the same fate. It doesn't matter who's in the backfield or on the OL. When a D overplays the run, you better be prepared to air it out. We couldn't & our opponents knew we couldn't. A veteran QB will help us IMMENSELY.

 

[Garthshort]

People complain that our 7th round pick will be 26 during his rookie season. We should be so lucky. The way the labor negoiations are going ALL our draft picks will be 26 during their rookie season.

 

[bg7brd]

Your analysis is correct. But it had more to do with the ineptitide of our QB play than anything else. Teams stacked the line & our QB play was so pathetic that it couldn't make defenses pay. If our QB play doesn't improve this year, we'll suffer the same fate. It doesn't matter who's in the backfield or on the OL. When a D overplays the run, you better be prepared to air it out. We couldn't & our opponents knew we couldn't. A veteran QB will help us IMMENSELY.

I agree

 

[binkar]

I agree. Hopefully, the same is true of our blatant disregard of the TE position.

Steve

I hope so too, and think it is. You really can't expect much in the passing game out of guys like Dray and Spach. They have been hoping for awhile that Patrick would develop into a decent receiving threat, but he never did. I am really excited to see what Housler can bring to the offense.

 

[Cardiac]

Your analysis is correct. But it had more to do with the ineptitide of our QB play than anything else. Teams stacked the line & our QB play was so pathetic that it couldn't make defenses pay. If our QB play doesn't improve this year, we'll suffer the same fate. It doesn't matter who's in the backfield or on the OL. When a D overplays the run, you better be prepared to air it out. We couldn't & our opponents knew we couldn't. A veteran QB will help us IMMENSELY.