Submitted Without Comment: "Leinart Confidant States Case for QB"

[Cardiac]

With regard to players complaining about his leadership abilities-----when this happens there is almost always someone who goes on record about not wanting to play for an unliked QB. I have as yet, not been able to find ANY player who said anything about this being the case, and I find that very strange indeed. With all the tweets that go out into the public realm, I can't recall even one where a player ragged on Leinart, let alone any player going on the record of not wanting to play for him. My impression is that this is totally on Whiz, and may not even be how the players felt about him.

As food for thought, I still believe that Leinart will become a decent starting QB in this league, and will be successfull as a starter.

In todays NFL find me a player who has gone on record dissing a former teammate (I can think of the Kerry Rhodes one) but none other. How many Raider players tweeted or went on record about Russel when he was cut?

Even if you find some from other teams you won't from the Cards. The closest any player has ever said anything remotely as a jab against a former Cardinal was Wilson complimenting Rhodes which some thought meant he was dissing Rolle.

 

[JC_AZ]

Regardless of all the opinions, comparisons, assumptions, etc. I can not imagine that Leinart being our QB to start the season could have not been better than we have seen so far... what we have now is a total disaster and deciding that a perrenial failure or a rookie would be better than Leinart is a major failure in decision making... Leinart was not great, but compared to our situation today I don't care who is "pumping him up", the fact is we would be better off with him here...

 

[Russ Smith]

Minnesota is run by a joke coach that has no control over the locker room. How many players spoke out when Randy Moss was traded by the Pats?

Big difference between trading a guy for a 3rd round pick who's complaining about his contract and cutting a guy who came into camp as your starting QB.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Maybe we should ask Leinart's mom if she thinks he is any good.

 

[Pariah]

Big difference between trading a guy for a 3rd round pick who's complaining about his contract

...and who was only on the team for a month and is a known malcontent and embarrassed the team with a childish, profanity-laced outburst.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Maybe we should ask Leinart's mom if she thinks he is any good.

LOL I can report she does! I spoke with her at Fan Fest without realising who she was. I'm very glad I didn't say anything untoward. Nice woman.

 

[Seandonic]

Regardless of all the opinions, comparisons, assumptions, etc. I can not imagine that Leinart being our QB to start the season could have not been better than we have seen so far... what we have now is a total disaster and deciding that a perrenial failure or a rookie would be better than Leinart is a major failure in decision making... Leinart was not great, but compared to our situation today I don't care who is "pumping him up", the fact is we would be better off with him here...

On the money JC_AZ.

 

[Jersey Girl]

Yep. I think that's what will keep him from being a really good QB. I still think even playing gun shy he'll be at the very least a good backup in the league for a good while.

Certainly looks like that's the case. He definitely wasn't the same after that injury.

How many went on record speaking up for Matt after it happened?

I don't think there's any question somewhere along the way Matt lost guys on the team. If you go back to his rookie year the guys believed in him, Chiefs game, Bears game, they were confident in Matt Leinart. Somewhere along the way that changed, and apparently Whiz felt it was something that was irreparable.

I think you're right. Wish we knew when/where that happened.

 

[Duckjake]

Certainly looks like that's the case. He definitely wasn't the same after that injury.

You know Jersey this is something that is starting to worry me. When CKW first got to Arizona guys got better every year. Unlike most Cardinal seasons in the past where guys would come in and look good and then regress each season.

Now all of a sudden we have Leinart who regressed so far the Cards cut him. Cody Brown who wasnt' even able to improve enough for the Cards to want to see him play in an actual game. DRC and Dockett and Campbell all getting criticized this year for poor play after getting better every prior year and Wilson who suddenly has a PhD in inconsistency.

I wonder if the guys haven't fallen victim to what has been termed "reading their press clippings"?

 

[JAB]

That guy might be a homer and everything. But you have to admit, all we have a quarterback right now is garbage. Like Matt, hate Matt, don't believe in Matt or whatever he's a lot better than the junk were putting out on the field right now. And I definitely agree, we would have won the Seattle and the Tampa Bay game with Matt. Anyways the proof is in the pudding take Matt out of the equation the organization still screwed the pooch with the choices they decided to go with. And we as fans are stuck with a complete inept quarterback corps.

 

[cardncubfan]

I still haven't got over this. I have loved the Cardinals for 30 odd years and I have appreciated what wiz has done but this was a bonehead move. DA and Max Hall are flat out average or below. I don't care if Hall knows more than Wiz...his skill set isn't there. DA has a good skill set with horrible decision making. We'll see but Leinart was 10 times more stable than what we have. I am still pissed about that move. Lastly, I trust Wiz but I would like to know what he saw in Leinarts body of work that led him to go with DA and Hall.

Also, I have a business and I understand what it is like to have talent with a different mentality. It can be difficult to watch someone with natural ability not live up to it or nurture it. I have fired a couple of people for not fitting in my system and I have been humbled by it a couple of times. We'll see who the great coach was; Wiz, Haley or Warner.

I'm still mad also. I lost money because I bet a couple of people that Leinart would be our starter on opening day. I didn't think the coaching staff was stupid enough to start the season with DOA as our QB.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm still mad also. I lost money because I bet a couple of people that Leinart would be our starter on opening day. I didn't think the coaching staff was stupid enough to start the season with DOA as our QB.

We already have too many Cardinals and Cubs fans. 100 friggin' years without a World Series win!?!??!? Would you jinxes go away?

 

[desertdawg]

LOL I can report she does! I spoke with her at Fan Fest without realising who she was. I'm very glad I didn't say anything untoward. Nice woman.

Did she have a beer bong with her?....be honest

 

[chickenhead]

I don't think Leinart proved he's long-term starting material and I don't think he proved that he can't be. I can't recall a case of absolute limbo like his. I don't know how Kolb proved to the Philly staff that he was the guy (so much so that they traded McNabb), and I don't know how Leinart proved to the Cards that he wasn't (so much so that they cut him in favor of Max Hall). But they both managed to do it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

LOL I can report she does! I spoke with her at Fan Fest without realising who she was. I'm very glad I didn't say anything untoward. Nice woman.

I know what you mean. I was at the hotle bar in Seatle and Derek Anderson's sister was unknowingly sitting right next to me and I was talking Cards with a guy on the other side of me. Sure am glad I didn't start ripping on DA. A few minutes later his mom and dad came down to the bar. DA looks just like his dad. They were nice. The funny thing is when DA's dad went to toss his credit card to the bartender for his tab, he missed him by 3 feet and it ended up inthe sink .

 

[Duckjake]

I don't think Leinart proved he's long-term starting material and I don't think he proved that he can't be. I can't recall a case of absolute limbo like his. I don't know how Kolb proved to the Philly staff that he was the guy (so much so that they traded McNabb), and I don't know how Leinart proved to the Cards that he wasn't (so much so that they cut him in favor of Max Hall). But they both managed to do it.

A strange situation to say the least. Has there ever been a top 10 first round QB who was on the team for 4 years, sat around for 2 years, and then was jettisoned to only become a backup QB? Akili Smith maybe? The only one I can find in the last 15 years.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

A strange situation to say the least. Has there ever been a top 10 first round QB who was on the team for 4 years, sat around for 2 years, and then was jettisoned to only become a backup QB? Akili Smith maybe? The only one I can find in the last 15 years.

I was thinking maybe Heath Shuler, which means Matt has a career in politics ahead of him. Kyle Boller???

 

[THESMEL]

what

Matt was punked and ran out of town by Whiz. Matt is a top 10 QB if He was on this team with this schedule. But We will never find out cause Whiz is stupid.

Stupidest decision I ever seen as a GM or HC with GM powers, even Buddy didn't do anything this stupid. This guy price sounds like me, after the fact, and you all run me off the Cards board, and neutered me on this one.

it is what it is, I hate being right. We would be dominating the NFCW right now if Whiz had a molecue of personell wits. get him some help now, He's over his head.

While I certainly agree with the idea that we would've been better off with Leinart, Leinart made a short-sighted decision in requesting to be cut. He obviously would've been the starter by now with the chance to prove his critics wrong.

I also think Whis being overly enamored with Max Hall was maybe even more important than him not liking Matt.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Matt was punked and ran out of town by Whiz. Matt is a top 10 QB if He was on this team with this schedule. But We will never find out cause Whiz is stupid.

Stupidest decision I ever seen as a GM or HC with GM powers, even Buddy didn't do anything this stupid. This guy price sounds like me, after the fact, and you all run me off the Cards board, and neutered me on this one.

it is what it is, I hate being right. We would be dominating the NFCW right now if Whiz had a molecue of personell wits. get him some help now, He's over his head.

The first time I meet someone who actually hates being right I'll start believing all the rest of you that make that claim. Also, you are no more right today than you were a month ago. It's still just your opinion. The fact that one of his agents agrees with you changes nothing.

Steve

 

[Red Dawn]

Maybe we should ask Leinart's mom if she thinks he is any good.

...or one of the chicks in the hot tub.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

It's probably because Roethlisberger wasn't drafted in the top 10 picks. http://www.drafthistory.com/years/2004.html

And he still started Touchdown Tommy Maddox for the first two games of the Steelers season.

I love how WHIZ is to blame for "starting Touchdown Tommy" the first two games and benching Roth, yet he had no say in drafting him or teaching him to be a good QB. All the bad and none of the good huh?

 

[Russ Smith]

...and who was only on the team for a month and is a known malcontent and embarrassed the team with a childish, profanity-laced outburst.

That was the Vikings I was responding to a comment about no complaints when the Pats traded him. Again they got a draft pick for him they didn't just cut him. Vikings cut him and according to Cris Carter several players off the record are blasting them for doing so.

 

[Catfish]

Matt was punked and ran out of town by Whiz. Matt is a top 10 QB if He was on this team with this schedule. But We will never find out cause Whiz is stupid.

Stupidest decision I ever seen as a GM or HC with GM powers, even Buddy didn't do anything this stupid. This guy price sounds like me, after the fact, and you all run me off the Cards board, and neutered me on this one.

it is what it is, I hate being right. We would be dominating the NFCW right now if Whiz had a molecue of personell wits. get him some help now, He's over his head.

I don't know about Buddy not doing anything this stupid-----He blew up the O-line that Joe Bugel had built here, and without a name RB, he had produced the 3rd best running team in the NFL. That was pretty stupid of Buddy.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't know about Buddy not doing anything this stupid-----He blew up the O-line that Joe Bugel had built here, and without a name RB, he had produced the 3rd best running team in the NFL. That was pretty stupid of Buddy.

Buddy was incredibly stupid when it came to offense. He ran off Chris Chandler who played 11 more years in the NFL and in the SB with Atlanta, AND Steve Beuerlein who played 9 more years including the 1999 season where he threw for 4,436 yards 36 TDs and only 15 INTs.

In addition he also ran off Ricky Proehl who played 12 more years in the NFL scoring the tying TD in two different Super Bowls both with less than two minutes to play.

 

[cardncubfan]

We already have too many Cardinals and Cubs fans. 100 friggin' years without a World Series win!?!??!? Would you jinxes go away?

I'm so used to losing it ain't even funny Duck.