Suck it Towers

[Dback Jon]

Hey Lefty - how come you aren't posting in the Didi trade thread anymore?

Oh, I know, because that is looking like a kick ass trade that Towers made.


Doesn't really fit your histronics about Towers sucking so bad does it.

JFC, give it a rest. We know you are 1,000,000 times smarter than Towers, and are a baseball god. We get it.

 

[DWKB]

DWKB is a Braves fan, of course he's going to talk ****.

 

[unseenaz]

We'll keep your secret

 

[82CardsGrad]

Hey Lefty - how come you aren't posting in the Didi trade thread anymore?

Oh, I know, because that is looking like a kick ass trade that Towers made.


Doesn't really fit your histronics about Towers sucking so bad does it.

JFC, give it a rest. We know you are 1,000,000 times smarter than Towers, and are a baseball god. We get it.

I'm on my iPhone and can't do the thumbs up...but, people sitting next to me on the plane will attest that I've got my thumbs up Jon!

 

[Lefty]

Hey Lefty - how come you aren't posting in the Didi trade thread anymore?

Oh, I know, because that is looking like a kick ass trade that Towers made.


Doesn't really fit your histronics about Towers sucking so bad does it.

JFC, give it a rest. We know you are 1,000,000 times smarter than Towers, and are a baseball god. We get it.

Maybe because the Bauer/Didi trade isn't a lopsided trade like the Upton one. If you haven't noticed, Bauer has been pitching well as of late. Btw, Towers is suppose to be a genius in putting a bullpen together, what happened? Finally, batting average is a pretty meaningless stat in baseball.

 

[unseenaz]

Maybe because the Bauer/Didi trade isn't a lopsided trade like the Upton one. If you haven't noticed, Bauer has been pitching well as of late. Btw, Towers is suppose to be a genius in putting a bullpen together, what happened? Finally, batting average is a pretty meaningless stat in baseball.

lol wut? please put that comment into context?

 

[bankybruce]

lol wut? please put that comment into context?

I think what he is saying is that Rob Deer should be in the Hall of Fame.

The reality is that Left is letting emotion dictate his argument and that it clouding his judgement.

 

[DWKB]

lol wut? please put that comment into context?

While "meaningless" is not quite true it is certainly one of the least useful in describing a players offensive performance. Silly that we still give the batting title to the player with the highest AVG.

 

[unseenaz]

While "meaningless" is not quite true it is certainly one of the least useful in describing a players offensive performance. Silly that we still give the batting title to the player with the highest AVG.

What should it be then? OBP? AVG W/ RISP? I agree that batting average alone shouldn't be used to see how good a batter is. Slugging percentage should be taken into account, but some guys just get singles then steal 2nd, turning their single into a double.

 

[DWKB]

What should it be then? OBP? AVG W/ RISP? I agree that batting average alone shouldn't be used to see how good a batter is. Slugging percentage should be taken into account, but some guys just get singles then steal 2nd, turning their single into a double.

The most basic should be OPS. There are many more options than that though, but OPS is the simplest.

 

[unseenaz]

What should it be then? OBP? AVG W/ RISP? I agree that batting average alone shouldn't be used to see how good a batter is. Slugging percentage should be taken into account, but some guys just get singles then steal 2nd, turning their single into a double.

To clarify this, if a guy hits .340 in a season, but only has 30 RBI's and 30 runs scored and 5 stolen bases, after 600 at bats, what good is he? I wouldn't want the guy.

On the flip side, I wouldn't want a guy who hits .210 with 35 homeruns and 75 RBI's either. (Mark Reynolds, Adam Dunn)

 

[Lefty]

While "meaningless" is not quite true it is certainly one of the least useful in describing a players offensive performance. Silly that we still give the batting title to the player with the highest AVG.

Agree, I should not of used meaningless. I just think people who just look at varying average to determine if the player is good is an obsolete way of thinking.

Finally, to clarify this whole Upton fiasco, I an a fan of Justin's and did not like it that he was traded, but what pisses me off is the way Towers and Hall handled the situation. If they had to trade him because he was a cancer, fine, but dont trade him and receive a lot less in return. Towers panicked and made the trade in haste. Should of been patient and he would of received more in value.

 

[unseenaz]

Agree, I should not of used meaningless. I just think people who just look at varying average to determine if the player is good is an obsolete way of thinking.

Finally, to clarify this whole Upton fiasco, I an a fan of Justin's and did not like it that he was traded, but what pisses me off is the way Towers and Hall handled the situation. If they had to trade him because he was a cancer, fine, but dont trade him and receive a lot less in return. Towers panicked and made the trade in haste. Should of been patient and he would of received more in value.

I think the Rangers would have given up either Andrus, Profar or Olt. They said they wouldn't, but I felt like they reeaaly wanted Upton.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

To clarify this, if a guy hits .340 in a season, but only has 30 RBI's and 30 runs scored and 5 stolen bases, after 600 at bats, what good is he? I wouldn't want the guy.

On the flip side, I wouldn't want a guy who hits .210 with 35 homeruns and 75 RBI's either. (Mark Reynolds, Adam Dunn)

If a guy hits .340 and only scores 30 runs and 30 RBI than I would have to assume the team sucks because nobody is driving him in when he gets on base and he likely isn't getting many opportunities with runners in scoring position.

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[DWKB]

If a guy hits .340 and only scores 30 runs and 30 RBI than I would have to assume the team sucks because nobody is driving him in when he gets on base and he likely isn't getting many opportunities with runners in scoring position.

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And a big reason why you don't judge a player based upon a years worth of triple crown stats. They have big flaws in determining the actual value of a player.

 

[JS22]

This is after a 14 game homerless streak. I'm sure the trade was still the best for AZ.

lol

 

[BC867]

Pro-JUp or Anti-JUp, the situation remains that he wore out his welcome here and the Managing General Partner went public with it. What caused it didn't just happen overnight. Upton and D'backs management were probably equally to blame.

Justin Upton had to go! For his sake and for the sake of the D'backs.

And everyone from MLB General Managers to die-hard fans knew it.

 

[devilalum]

When this series is over we need to have some kind of ASFN JUp seance and move on.

 

[AZ Native]

When this series is over we need to have some kind of ASFN JUp seance and move on.

 

[TJ]

Pro-JUp or Anti-JUp, the situation remains that he wore out his welcome here and the Managing General Partner went public with it. What caused it didn't just happen overnight. Upton and D'backs management were probably equally to blame.

Justin Upton had to go! For his sake and for the sake of the D'backs.

And everyone from MLB General Managers to die-hard fans knew it.

How did Upton "wear out his welcome?"

 

[unseenaz]

How did Upton "wear out his welcome?"

Is this sarcasm?

I think just his attitude as a whole.. his "$%^# you I don't need you" attitude.

 

[BC867]

How did Upton "wear out his welcome?"

The old story of throwing over the head of his cutoff man to show off his arm.

Or sliding to make catches in the outfield nowhere near the wall.

Or not driving in the amount of runs you'd expect from the 3rd or 5th spots in the batting order.

He never seemed to 'get it' about substance over style. Lack of progress over six seasons with the D'backs. Never reaching the potential of being "the" feared hitter.

And, I gotta share with you, blowing those big bubbles (right through today) just don't give the image of growing up. It is all part of the image.

That's what I meant about wearing out his welcome. It became blah watching him over a season.

 

[TJ]

The old story of throwing over the head of his cutoff man to show off his arm.

Or sliding to make catches in the outfield nowhere near the wall.

Or not driving in the amount of runs you'd expect from the 3rd or 5th spots in the batting order.

He never seemed to 'get it' about substance over style. Lack of progress over six seasons with the D'backs. Never reaching the potential of being "the" feared hitter.

And, I gotta share with you, blowing those big bubbles (right through today) just don't give the image of growing up. It is all part of the image..

You mean something most players do on a regular basis? I guess Derek Jeter doesnt get it either because he "blows those big bubbles" at shortstop, too.

If you're seriously going to infer that blowing bubbles makes him somehow an immature person, your stance cannot be taken seriously. No offense, but questioning someone's maturity over "blowing bubbles" does not speak well of your overall maturity.

And you've gone public by saying you hated Upton while he was a D-Back. I'm not entirely surprised you would use minutia to try to back up your stance.

 

[TJ]

Is this sarcasm?

I think just his attitude as a whole.. his "$%^# you I don't need you" attitude.

No it's not sarcasm. I don't buy your statement nor the notion he somehow "wore out his welcome." nothing has come out publicly to corroborate that he had an attitude. He looked like any ball player I've seen in a slump: frustrated. Doesnt help that Towers and the media magnified it for you all to continuously monitor and probe the smallest detail that may somehow indite him for being a bad person during the season. I

As a matter of fact, he stated that he was "happy" to return to Chase this week because, "I feel like I'm coming home." And Montero came out and said earlier that he missed him in the locker room.

 

[jonberry]

The old story of throwing over the head of his cutoff man to show off his arm.

Or sliding to make catches in the outfield nowhere near the wall.

Or not driving in the amount of runs you'd expect from the 3rd or 5th spots in the batting order.

He never seemed to 'get it' about substance over style. Lack of progress over six seasons with the D'backs. Never reaching the potential of being "the" feared hitter.

And, I gotta share with you, blowing those big bubbles (right through today) just don't give the image of growing up. It is all part of the image.

That's what I meant about wearing out his welcome. It became blah watching him over a season.

I guess all of these guys are immature children.

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