Sugar Bowl - LSU vs OSU

[82CardsGrad]

I think I asked this last year and most said no. Would people be ok with abandoning the human vote polls and just going with computer polls to do the rankings?

The downside, removes the human element, people don't trust the programs they were of course written by people what if Sagarin et al has a bias we don't know?

The upside, you remove the crazy pre-ranking bias where teams start the season ranked top 5 because of their last game the prior season and then it takes an act of congress for them to fall out of the top 5 even if they play a weak schedule. And of course the formulas can be made public, coaches won't have the excuse they will know in advance how they need to schedule if they want to get a higher strength of schedule(within reason since they have to guess who will be good OOC).

I'm with AJ I enjoyed the regular season this year, all the upsets, but the BCS format and the spreading out has completely ruined the bowl season for me. No more sitting on my butt New Years Day watching one game after another and trying to make sense of it, now it's drawn out over several days and nights and it just creates more questions than answers. either have a playoff or change the ranking process and then go back to the old Bowl system IMHO.

Computerized ranking that then leads to a playoff/elimination tournament at the end of the season... I am all over that!

 

[Rivercard]

LSU was clearly superior. They deserve the #1 final ranking more than any other team, in my opinion.

Who knows. Let's not forget LSU lost to a good but not great Kentucky team. At the time of the bowl games Oregon and West Virginia may have been the two best teams. Earlier injuries to premier QB's kept both of those teams out of the NC game IMHO.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Who knows. Let's not forget LSU lost to a good but not great Kentucky team. At the time of the bowl games Oregon and West Virginia may have been the two best teams. Earlier injuries to premier QB's kept both of those teams out of the NC game IMHO.

LSU was also suffering from injuries in that Kentucky game at the QB and defensive tackle position, as both Flynn and Dorsey were hurt when LSU played Kentucky...

 

[Rivercard]

LSU was also suffering from injuries in that Kentucky game at the QB and defensive tackle position, as both Flynn and Dorsey were hurt when LSU played Kentucky...

Yeah, I'm not knocking LSU. Gotta throw some love at Missouri too. Put that roster in Columbus and they probably would have played for the NC.

 

[Southpaw]

Someone I know had a fascinating point today. He said I'm sick of reading stories from reporters about how the current BCS system sucks. If you look the final AP poll before the bowls had Ohio State 1, LSU 2, that's the exact game they got in the Mythical NC game, and now they're complaining?

The AP poll is the media vote, they got the game they voted for, so if they're unhappy, maybe they should demand the BCS remove the AP poll from its formula?

He has a point.

The polls and their rankings suck also. Bias and tradition are the rules. Has very little to do with the currency of the performance. BCS participation is decided by the polls and rankings.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I think most people would agree those were probably the best two teams based on how the season wound up. USC absolutely abused Illinois, who beat Ohio St. in their own stadium. I think it's very doubtful that Ohio St. would've been much more successful against Georgia, Missouri, West Virginia, Kansas, etc.

That loss to Stanford by USC....can't believe I missed that game. I cannot fathom how that actually happened.

I am biased, but after watching a healthy Pat White destroy an Oklahoma team that everyone was touting as being the best team in football right now, I dont know if any of those teams (USC, LSU, OSU, Georgia) could have stopped White or WVU.

I would have loved to have seen a WVU USC or WVU Missouri/Kansas matchup.

 

[Southpaw]

I am biased, but after watching a healthy Pat White destroy an Oklahoma team that everyone was touting as being the best team in football right now, I dont know if any of those teams (USC, LSU, OSU, Georgia) could have stopped White or WVU.

I would have loved to have seen a WVU USC or WVU Missouri/Kansas matchup.

Ouch Missouri/Kansas. Be careful what you wish for. Missouri looked good against a schizophrenic Arkansas who didn't even have a coach. Kansas squeeked past a Va Tech team , that forgot to wake up until the 2nd half. I wouldn't think W Va would have had difficulty with either one of those teams.

 

[DWKB]

Kansas squeeked past a Va Tech team , that forgot to wake up until the 2nd half. I wouldn't think W Va would have had difficulty with either one of those teams.

Sqeeked by? I assume you watched the game. KU won by 3 but was on the Va Tech 1 yard line with time running out choosing to kneel down instead of stuffing a final score down an obviously defeated opponents throat one last time.

Of course, Va Tech was a challenge for "best team in the nation right now" until KU beat them, then they became "a weak team (because Kansas sucks so any team they beat can't be that good)".

 

[Southpaw]

Sqeeked by? I assume you watched the game. KU won by 3 but was on the Va Tech 1 yard line with time running out choosing to kneel down instead of stuffing a final score down an obviously defeated opponents throat one last time.

Of course, Va Tech was a challenge for "best team in the nation right now" until KU beat them, then they became "a weak team (because Kansas sucks so any team they beat can't be that good)".

Well since I did not ordain Va Tech as the best team in the nation and I never said Kansas sucked, you are coming off a bit harsh. I was responding to someone else who said they might have given LSU a better game. Maybe they would have, but that would not be hard to do, since OSU played like who they are. A good, but not elite team. I believe LSU, Georgia, USC and a healthy Oregon deserve that distinction. Kansas is top ten imnsho.

 

[DWKB]

Well since I did not ordain Va Tech as the best team in the nation and I never said Kansas sucked, you are coming off a bit harsh. I was responding to someone else who said they might have given LSU a better game. Maybe they would have, but that would not be hard to do, since OSU played like who they are. A good, but not elite team. I believe LSU, Georgia, USC and a healthy Oregon deserve that distinction. Kansas is top ten imnsho.

No those were not your words, just the way the wind blew in the major sports outlets. KU didn't belong, they were going to get blown out (you did say this).

KU is the first BCS conference team to have one loss and not share or win outright the NC when there were no other teams with equal or less losses than them. The system is broken when this happens (whether you think KU deserves the NC or not).

Does nobody think it odd that tOSU is ranked #3 in week 13 and KU ranked #7. Both play "Idle" and yet tOSU moves up to #1 and KU drops to #8? Guess tOSU fared better against their game with "Idle".

 

[Southpaw]

No those were not your words, just the way the wind blew in the major sports outlets. KU didn't belong, they were going to get blown out (you did say this).

KU is the first BCS conference team to have one loss and not share or win outright the NC when there were no other teams with equal or less losses than them. The system is broken when this happens (whether you think KU deserves the NC or not).

Does nobody think it odd that tOSU is ranked #3 in week 13 and KU ranked #7. Both play "Idle" and yet tOSU moves up to #1 and KU drops to #8? Guess tOSU fared better against their game with "Idle".

I did think, erroneously, that KU would get blown out. That is one of the reasons I finished at the bottom of the ASFN you pick 'em contest.

As far as the inequity in the Kansas /OSU dilemma, you are now experiencing the Big 10 bias factor. Welcome to the majority of Football America. It is the dinosaur that won't die. Wait until next year, when Oklahoma and Ohio State are preseason higher ranked than Kansas. Then you will be even more pissed, and I will be right there with you.

 

[Duckjake]

KU is the first BCS conference team to have one loss and not share or win outright the NC when there were no other teams with equal or less losses than them. The system is broken when this happens (whether you think KU deserves the NC or not).

I agree 100%.

The BCS is worse than major league baseball because not only do the teams with the most money win they also have to have a big time reputation to be National Champs.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Ouch Missouri/Kansas. Be careful what you wish for. Missouri looked good against a schizophrenic Arkansas who didn't even have a coach. Kansas squeeked past a Va Tech team , that forgot to wake up until the 2nd half. I wouldn't think W Va would have had difficulty with either one of those teams.

I was thinking more from a match up perspective. I would have loved to have seen two teams with great offensive and defensive speed. Missouri and Kansas fit that bill. USC and Oregon vs. WVU would have been interesting too imo

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

No those were not your words, just the way the wind blew in the major sports outlets. KU didn't belong, they were going to get blown out (you did say this).

KU is the first BCS conference team to have one loss and not share or win outright the NC when there were no other teams with equal or less losses than them. The system is broken when this happens (whether you think KU deserves the NC or not).

Does nobody think it odd that tOSU is ranked #3 in week 13 and KU ranked #7. Both play "Idle" and yet tOSU moves up to #1 and KU drops to #8? Guess tOSU fared better against their game with "Idle".

Welcome to my world.

WVU, on a bye week lost two spots and at one point was jumped by Florida who already had a loss. Kansas is no different than any other school not named OSU, USC, LSU, OU

 

[Duckjake]

Welcome to my world.

WVU, on a bye week lost two spots and at one point was jumped by Florida who already had a loss. Kansas is no different than any other school not named OSU, USC, LSU, OU

Don't forget Nebraska who was selected to play in the BCS title game without even winning their DIVISION much less conference a few years ago.

We all know of course that BCS stands for the Big Cash Series.