Sugar Bowl

[AZCB34]

LSU is going to stomp OU tonight. Many feel USC is best in the country but LSU would crush USC IMO.

I could care less about a playoff. Reality is, it should have been USC v LSU for the Sugar anyways since OU didn't even win their conference but it should be a fun game tonight.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AZCB34
LSU is going to stomp OU tonight. Many feel USC is best in the country but LSU would crush USC IMO.

I could care less about a playoff. Reality is, it should have been USC v LSU for the Sugar anyways since OU didn't even win their conference but it should be a fun game tonight.

If the Pac-10 HAD a conference championship, you would have a point, but the Pac-10 will continue to be screwed until they wise up.

It would be USC vs. LSU IF there was a Pac-10 championship game....

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
If the Pac-10 HAD a conference championship, you would have a point, but the Pac-10 will continue to be screwed until they wise up.

It would be USC vs. LSU IF there was a Pac-10 championship game....

But there should be a penalty for not winning your conference during the year...regardless of whether or not you have a championship game or not. The penalty shouldn't be an invite to the national championship game. JMHO

 

[WizardOfAz]

Re: Re: Sugar Bowl

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
If the Pac-10 HAD a conference championship,

Need to add two teams to make that happen. BYU and Colorado? BYU and Air Force?

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by WizardOfAz
Need to add two teams to make that happen. BYU and Colorado? BYU and Air Force?

I would imagine the PAC10 would try and get two teams from the same state like they currently have so I would guess either BYU/Utah or Colorado St/Air Force.

From a geographic standpoint, New Mexico/UNLV probably makes alot of sense as well.

The PAC10 could also dip into the WAC pool and snag Fresno St and/or Boise St.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Fresno St. could be an interesting possibilty and one I would entertain as a Pac-10 fan more than Air Force or CSU. The Dogs have a pretty good football team every year, even beating 2 Pac-10 bowl teams this year. Once their BB team gets off the sanctions set by The NCAA thanks to Tarkanian, they should be OK. They make the tournament nearly every year and have a good fan base and a respected coach. I don't know about their other sports but who cares really as FB and BB are the only ones to turn a profit. Utah and BYU would be good choices as well, except I'm not sure if BYU has rules involving playing on certain days that could interfere w/ Pac-10 schedules.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I still think that the Pac-10 needs a championship game. There is no way in hell that we wouldn't have seen USC vs. champ LSU if USC had defeated WSU.

I would like to see the Pac-10 become the Pac-12. Fresno State would be a good pickup, and so would Utah. Geography isn't that important; look at how the ACC grabbed Boston College even though the rest of the ACC is in the south.

 

[Dback Jon]

Originally posted by AZCB34
LSU is going to stomp OU tonight. Many feel USC is best in the country but LSU would crush USC IMO.

I could care less about a playoff. Reality is, it should have been USC v LSU for the Sugar anyways since OU didn't even win their conference but it should be a fun game tonight.

To be honest, I was not impressed with either team last night - USC would run all over both of them.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Re: Re: Sugar Bowl

Originally posted by Dback Jon
To be honest, I was not impressed with either team last night - USC would run all over both of them.

No way...

 

[AZCB34]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No way...

I agree. Even though LSU's offense was trying everything in their power to give the game away, the LSU defense was nails. USC would not have blown them out in any way. In fact, I still maintain LSU is in fact the best in the nation and they would have beaten USC.

 

[Dback Jon]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No way...

Prove it

LSU has a fast defense - but not enough to keep up with USC.

It would be a great game though - Pete Carroll/Chow vs Nick Saban.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Prove it

LSU has a fast defense - but not enough to keep up with USC.

It would be a great game though - Pete Carroll/Chow vs Nick Saban.

I think that they would've handled USC's offense. They have the cover men and the pass rush to disrupt USC's passing game.

They would have completely shut down USC's run game as well, forcing young Matt Leinart to carry the team, and as good as Leinart has been he probably would've failed like the rest of LSU's opponents.

But this is all moot because USC never won their conference championship.....oops! USC didn't play in one like LSU or OU.

 

[Dback Jon]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain


But this is all moot because USC never won their conference championship.....oops! USC didn't play in one like LSU or OU.

USC was the CONFERENCE CHAMPS - they don't need a made-for-TV game to prove it - they did it by beating the teams in the league.

And OU wasn't a conference champ

Leinart's a better QB than White. USC's skill players run circles around OU's

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
USC was the CONFERENCE CHAMPS - they don't need a made-for-TV game to prove it - they did it by beating the teams in the league.

And OU wasn't a conference champ

Leinart's a better QB than White. USC's skill players run circles around OU's

Really? When did the Pac-10 championship game occur?

A championship loss is better than no championship.

 

[Dback Jon]

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Really? When did the Pac-10 championship game occur?

A championship loss is better than no championship.

Uh - you don't need a championship game to have a champion.

 

[Krangodnzr]

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Uh - you don't need a championship game to have a champion.

Well, in the eyes of the other major conferences (except for the Big Ten of course) you do need one.

I would like to see the Big-10 add two more teams. Notre Dame would be one of them; tell ND they have no shot at every playing for a National title unless they join a major conference. Pittsburgh would be the other team; let the Big East effectively become a MAC or a Conference USA.

The Pac-10 should think of adding Utah and Fresno State, two programs that have been pretty good recently.

LSU is the National Champion in my eyes; they beat a great Georgia team to win their conference, and beat a pretty good team in OU. The Pac-10 deserves to be shortchanged until they get with the program (which the ACC is already doing with adding Va. Tech, Miami, and BC).

 

[Dback Jon]

ACC, Big East also do not currently have them. Actually, only the Big 12 and SEC (of the BCS conferences) do. The MAC does as well.

The Pac 10 will never take Fresno State - the university profile is not there. If they were to take two, look for a matched pair
(BYU/Utah, Colo/CSU, Texas/Texas A&M).

Notre Dame would be a good fit for the Big 10.

How does the best team in the country deserve to be short-changed? Should we strip Miami (FL) of all those titles because they didn't have a conference championship game?

Short of having the two play, a split title is the fairest outcome.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
ACC, Big East also do not currently have them. Actually, only the Big 12 and SEC (of the BCS conferences) do. The MAC does as well.

The Big East is failing off the face of the earth, so they don't really matter. The ACC will have a conference championship once the three teams join (the ACC is looking like it could challenge the SEC for best conference IMO BTW).

Originally posted by Dback Jon
The Pac 10 will never take Fresno State - the university profile is not there. If they were to take two, look for a matched pair
(BYU/Utah, Colo/CSU, Texas/Texas A&M)..

You're probably right. BYU Utah would be interesting, though it would further weaken the Pac-10 as a whole .

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Notre Dame would be a good fit for the Big 10.

I see we definitely agree here. Notre Dame needs to join the big boys or accept being out of the picture for a national title. The Big Ten (or 11, but I would prefer 12 teams and a name change) would be even more fun with Notre Dame. Who else should join?

Originally posted by Dback Jon
How does the best team in the country deserve to be short-changed? Should we strip Miami (FL) of all those titles because they didn't have a conference championship game?

It depends on how you look at it. To me, the loss by USC to Cal is just unacceptable for a title contender. Cal is a good team, but not even a BCS team (which is an acceptable loss to me).

Sure OU lost badly to KState, but KState is a BCS team, not a minor bowl player like Cal. The BCS system looked at it the same way I did. LSU earned the shot by avenging their loss against a tough Georgia team.

Originally posted by Dback Jon
Short of having the two play, a split title is the fairest outcome.

It probably is, you are right. But I would like to see the BCS insist that conferences have Championship games. Not having a championship game hurts the Pac-10 in both football and basketball as well.

 

[Dback Jon]

For the record, LSU's loss was to a very mediocre Florida team - AT Baton Rouge, and the game was not that close.

The very same Florida team that got pounded by Iowa in the Outback Bowl.
California finished with the same number of wins (eight) as Florida, and WON their bowl game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by Dback Jon
For the record, LSU's loss was to a very mediocre Florida team - AT Baton Rouge, and the game was not that close.

The very same Florida team that got pounded by Iowa in the Outback Bowl.
California finished with the same number of wins (eight) as Florida, and WON their bowl game.

Oops! You are correct. But I would still say that Florida is a much more talented team than Cal. And losing to Iowa isn't that bad; Iowa had one of their best teams ever.