Suggs - Another poor workout. Looks good for number 6, to me.

[Solar7]

Suggs fails to improve times
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

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Arizona State defensive end Terrell Suggs took his second crack at improving his 40-yard dash speed and he failed.

Running on an artificial surface Friday, Suggs ran 4.87, 4.9 and 4.93 40s weighing 258 pounds. A month ago, he ran similar times even though he had been training for three months to become faster and prove to teams he has great speed off the corner.

Those who attended the March workout at Arizona State felt that Suggs may have cost himself the fourth pick in the draft by running in the 4.8 and 4.9-second range. The Cardinals, who have been looking for a pass-rusher, appeared to be the most interested team in taking him with the sixth pick, but his poor time may make that less certain.

The workout featured head coaches and front office personnel from the Cardinals, Chiefs and Texans along with other teams. Suggs ran three 20-yard shuttles in 2.84 seconds.

Those aren't considered great numbers. Suggs set a collegiate record with 24 sacks last season, but most top pass-rushing defensive ends run in the 4.6 to 4.7 range.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

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Good stuff.

--Solar

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

If We

If we have a chance at him and pass.....well....it won't be pretty.

 

[General Chaos]

Suggs is my favorite pick for the cards. However, i am starting to get concerned over his speed. Hopefully he's doing this so he can stay in AZ. I think I am the only one who would be happy with Kennedy. He would ass much needed beef to the line, and would allow D. Johnson to get into the lineup.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

We might pass on him at 6, but maybe... Just a tiny little puny chance that if we trade with the Jets.. The reason would be to draft Suggs at 13. I dont really think he will fall to 13, but you never know with these workouts. I can see us trading out of 6 and moving a few sports down and then taking Suggs though. While picking up an extra 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

SUGGS IS NOT TANKING HIS TIMES, HE'S JUST SLOW. SMALL AND SLOW. PERFECT FOR A CARDINALS DEFENSIVE END!

 

[BW52]

Originally posted by PHXSPORTS4LIFE
SUGGS IS NOT TANKING HIS TIMES, HE'S JUST SLOW. SMALL AND SLOW. PERFECT FOR A CARDINALS DEFENSIVE END!

I think we know how you feel.Do you need the Caps?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Yeah,why would he tank his times and cost himself money?The only reason this workout was called was to show the last one was a fluke bad performance.And this one was worse.I don't think i want him at 6.He was my second choice to begin with but now he may be a product of the bad OL'S in the Pac-10.At 258 pounds and slow he's becoming a major reach.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by Cbus cardsfan
I don't think i want him at 6.He was my second choice to begin with but now he may be a product of the bad OL'S in the Pac-10.At 258 pounds and slow he's becoming a major reach.

In my opinion, a HUGE reach at a need position.

For me it's not a question of what your getting in Suggs. I think he'll probably be a decent player.
The problem is the opportunity cost.
The opportunity cost of Not drafting Leftwich (or Robertson) could turn out to be ugly.

 

[Solar7]

Listen. Leftwich is a great player, and probably will be, but I don't see a point in having him sit on the bench while an opposing quarterback throws for four touchdowns on a broken ankle, or being down by insane numbers of points by the time we hit the second half. I've watched Wakefield stick to the tackle like glue too many times to bear it anymore.

--Solar

 

[SECTION 11]

But honestly, who gives us a better chance to win the Superbowl?

We could go 0-16 next year for all I care.

 

[Solar7]

I think Suggs does. Leftwich, no matter how great he is, can't overcome a 49 point score throwing to Jason McAddely and Bryan Gilmore. I feel they're serviceable, and possibly even good recievers, but a team needs some sort of defense to be successful. I'd rather McCown manage a good game, Shipp run for enough yards to control the clock, and have the defense keep the other team in check. Then, it may not be as fun to watch, but the team won't be in constant shootouts. I'm not saying that Suggs would bring instant success this year, but with what we have in place already, a few key offseason additions could really make us strong on the defensive side of the ball.

--Solar

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
But honestly, who gives us a better chance to win the Superbowl?

We could go 0-16 next year for all I care.

Exactly - we can't think for this year - thye front office with it's lack of anything proven at WR or D-Line isn't - so we have to look at the future - I used to love Suggs and his was ferocious at the college level - BUT A LOT OF GUYS HAVE BEEN - Anthony Thompson was a stud in college, I believe he actually broke the Div 1 record for most rushing yards - alas, he was slow and small and couldn't hack it - hell - he was beaten out by Johnnie Johnson! (mind you I loved JJ - when he was healthy and still think he deserved Rookie of the Year over Emmitt Smith - but we showed the 'Boys on that one - who's wearing Red now?!) - Or Danny Wuerffel - product of system or our very own Thomas Burke - didn't he hold the Big Ten Record for sacks and have 22 his last year? I remember one of my buddies in Law School who was a Badger telling me how awesome this uy was and how we got the steal of the draft. People want to nitpick between tenths of second, but you know what, Plas are made and not made based on fractions of a second and how can you fans piss in the faces of what Scouts have been suing as a criteria for years solely because you like a player and HE'S A DEVIL?

Leftwhich if there is the answer - but I won't be upset if we take Suggs, I just hope to be wrong. Now if we draft a QB in the second round, then I will find Graves and personally vomit on his decaptitated head.

 

[SECTION 11]

I'm pretty sure Atlanta, Detroit, Houston, NY Jets, Vikings, Philly are all quite happy gambling on their QB's.


Simms in the second round would be absolutely boggling.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by Solar7
Listen. Leftwich is a great player, and probably will be, but I don't see a point in having him sit on the bench while an opposing quarterback throws for four touchdowns on a broken ankle, or being down by insane numbers of points by the time we hit the second half. I've watched Wakefield stick to the tackle like glue too many times to bear it anymore.

--Solar

No doubt. How soon people forget. We had 19 sacks two years ago. That was less than a PLAYER (Strahan). We had 21 sacks last year, and not a player in the top 40 of the NFC . Combine BOTH seasons, and we are still buried in the bottom half of the NFC in sacks last year. Many areas of this team need improving, but the suckage of the pass rush is beyond belief. It's historic suckage. Unparalleled. It's our weakest link, and if you think it can be ignored and overcome by a QB, you are in for another disappointing year.

Gil Brandt on Suggs' workout:

"April 18 results:
Weighing 258 pounds, Suggs ran a 4.88 40-yard dash against wind, and 4.95 and 4.92 with the wind. Yes, he ran faster running against the wind. However, his time in the 10-yard dash was 1.75 against the wind and 1.71 with the wind, and his times in the 20-yard dash were 2.84 with and against. He did look good in the drills, and especially looked quick during them. "

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Plas are made and not made based on fractions of a second and how can you fans piss in the faces of what Scouts have been suing as a criteria for years solely because you like a player and HE'S A DEVIL?

Leftwhich if there is the answer - but I won't be upset if we take Suggs, I just hope to be wrong. Now if we draft a QB in the second round, then I will find Graves and personally vomit on his decaptitated head.

I don't know. Most of the time I hear scouts talking about how fans put TOO MUCH emphasis on workout numbers. Many great players have been terrible in workouts....

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Scouts have been suing as a criteria for years solely because you like a player and HE'S A DEVIL?

Who put Suggs in the top ten? Fan's posts on message boards or scouts who watched him play last year?

And, I, for one, don't give a crap that he's a Devil of from Chandler. He could be an Artichoke or a Horned Frog and I'd still pick him over Leftwich.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
It's our weakest link, and if you think it can be ignored and overcome by a QB, you are in for another disappointing year.

Then what? What do we draft for in 2004? What is the plan? Win 9 games in 2003? Who friggin cares?
This is a knee-jerk need pick.


Our entire defensive line, indeed our entire defense is going to be better in 2003.
As far as a pass rush goes, Graves himself said that it's time for Dennis Johnson to get a chance.



For the record, I don't think we're drafting Leftwich or Suggs, regardless of whether or not either is there.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Who put Suggs in the top ten? Fan's posts on message boards or scouts who watched him play last year?

And, I, for one, don't give a crap that he's a Devil of from Chandler. He could be an Artichoke or a Horned Frog and I'd still pick him over Leftwich.

Great points.

Suggs is a consensus top ten pick to ALL NFL teams. WE DID NOT MAKE THAT RANKING. I watched Suggs' play this year, and I would want him even if he played at University of Minnesota.

He completely dominated EVERYONE he faced and was a force in all aspects of the game (or at least defensively (or I should say in line play)).

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Then what? What do we draft for in 2004? What is the plan? Win 9 games in 2003? Who friggin cares?
This is a knee-jerk need pick.


Our entire defensive line, indeed our entire defense is going to be better in 2003.
As far as a pass rush goes, Graves himself said that it's time for Dennis Johnson to get a chance.



For the record, I don't think we're drafting Leftwich or Suggs, regardless of whether or not either is there.

A knee jerk reaction....no.

Picking a player to build a defense around possibly? YES!

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Then what? What do we draft for in 2004? What is the plan? Win 9 games in 2003? Who friggin cares?
This is a knee-jerk need pick.


Our entire defensive line, indeed our entire defense is going to be better in 2003.
As far as a pass rush goes, Graves himself said that it's time for Dennis Johnson to get a chance.



For the record, I don't think we're drafting Leftwich or Suggs, regardless of whether or not either is there.

And we're going to go from 0-16 in 2003 to winning the Super Bowl in 2005 by drafting a QB with even more serious question marks than Suggs? Give me nine wins to your zero, and I like my chances better to win a Super Bowl two years later.

And our line is going to get better by magic, just because you want it to? Dennis Johnson? The guy who got tossed around like a sack or potatoes every time the OT got his hands on him is our pass rush answer? The guy who got .5 sacks last year? Please. Fantasy is for the movies.

There are numerous picks I could live with. But, NOBODY drafts "Best Player" in round one anymore. Not with the cap. Everybody drafts need.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
And our line is going to get better by magic, just because you want it to? Dennis Johnson? The guy who got tossed around like a sack or potatoes every time the OT got his hands on him is our pass rush answer? The guy who got .5 sacks last year? Please. Fantasy is for the movies.

Our DT rotation (as it stands now) is deep and has another year of experience.
Bryant gets another year and a training camp.
KVB is 100% from his knee and ribs.
Dennis Johnson gets his chance to prove why they used a third on him.

DJ is faster and stronger than Suggs, so I don't know where you're going with the potato reference.

If you've got a problem with Johnson, take it up with Graves. He's pretty much said he's our pass rusher. Well, at least if you read his latest memo to the fans.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Please. Fantasy is for the movies.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
And we're going to go from 0-16 in 2003 to winning the Super Bowl in 2005 by drafting a QB with even more serious question marks than Suggs?

What question marks?

It's not like he's a strong armed QB who can't throw very far.
Wouldn't that be a kick if his main stregnth really didn't measure up on paper? That'd be something.

 

[BW52]

Regardless of whomever the Cards pick at #6 Dennis Johnson needs to provide some pass rush .Even if its only in the nickel or Dime situations.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Our DT rotation (as it stands now) is deep and has another year of experience.
Bryant gets another year and a training camp.
KVB is 100% from his knee and ribs.
Dennis Johnson gets his chance to prove why they used a third on him.

DJ is faster and stronger than Suggs, so I don't know where you're going with the potato reference.

If you've got a problem with Johnson, take it up with Graves. He's pretty much said he's our pass rusher. Well, at least if you read his latest memo to the fans.

Sure, it'll get better. It can hardly get worse. If we stand pat, our sacks will 'soar' up to 24-25, easy.

Bryant is our best hope for significant improvement on the current roster. KVB hustles, but he's too slow off the ball to do much against LT's. Get a real pass rusher, get him on the other side and he'll start to be the player he really should be. As for Johnson, I've seen nothing on the field. He was ragdolled. Football is much more than physics. There's instinct, heart, and just a plain knack for making plays. Suggs isn't Johnson and he isn't Burke. At least not IMO.