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1. When Whiz was signed to his extension we were told he was promised some changes. Well, the past two days speak well to two of those changes: (1) the Cardinals are being pro-active; (2) the Cardinals are making decisions in an impressively decisive and timely manner.

These changes are so exciting that as Cardinal fans we suddenly can't know what to expect. Now there seems to be a clear cut plan in place...for they had a Plan B already in the works in the event that Antrel Rolle did not accept their most generous offer.

2. ESPN's KC Joyner is somehwat dubious about the money the Dolphins dished out to Karlos Dansby, and makes some very intriguing points. One is that according to LB production grades Dansby graded out only slightly (5%) higher than Akin Ayodele, the starting ILB they just released. Secondly, Joyner reasoned that the Dolphins must have seen some inconsistencies in Rolando McClain's efforts because he was the logical choice for them at #12. Imagine if McClain somehow sides to #26...that would be akin to losing Rolle and the chance to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL in favor of acquiring a better player in Kerry Rhodes at half the cost. Only, if McClain is there at #26 the Cardinals would be getting him at less than one fourth of Dansby's salary.

3. Now comes the competition and depth chapter of free agency and the draft. It would strongly appear that the Cardinals are going to need to acquire a veteran and a draft pick at the following positions: QB, ILB, OLB/DE, CB.

OK...fill in your choices:

Veteran QB:
Rookie QB:

Veteran ILB:
Rookie ILB:

Veteran OLB/DE:
Rookie OLB/DE:

Veteran CB:
Rookie CB:

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G:

TE:

WR:

NT:

SILB:

I am wondering what happens if the Cardinals re-sign NT Bryan Robinson before the draft. If they take a NT with one of their first 4 picks, it would force them to keep 3 NTs on the roster, which would take away from other spots. Perhaps it would be better to wait on signing Robinson until after the draft.

In light of the fact that the Cardinals showed interest in G Artis Hicks (who was signed by Washington), and because the coaches were not fully pleased with Reggie Wells and due to the reality that Deuce Lutui is in a contract year, I have a very strong feeling the Cardinals will draft a guard. My favorite is Mike Johnson (6-6, 306, Alabama), who would be an excellent value with one of the two 3rd round picks.

For some reason I don't think the Cardinals will draft a TE early this year. The top 2 TEs Gresham and Gronkowski have injury issues and are risky to take at #26 or #58 respectively, as much as you have to like their talent. Dorin Dickerson of Pittsburgh is a great athlete...but he doesn't fit Whiz's mold for a TE....which is why, IMO, that despite having a good pass catching TE in Dominique Byrd on the roster for much of last year, he was never activated for games. Whiz covets big blocker types who can catch the ball in the flats and up the seams.

I think the surprise pick of the draft may be at WR as the Cardinals will be looking for the #4 WR. I can see them being tempted to use one of the 3rd round picks or the 4th round pick on a WR. If Taylor Price of Ohio is on the board at #88...he could be the one.

I think the Cardinals are very high on last year's UCFA surprise SILB Reggie Walker, and because of that they may not add depth at that position until the later rounds or from the UCFA pool.

5. Draft prospects at LB who are really growing on me as I study their highlight tapes and analyses:

*sean Weatherspoon, Missouri

*Kao Misi, Utah

*Navorro Bowman, Penn. St.

*Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio St.

*Donald Butler, Washington

*Daryl Washington, TCU

What I love about all of these LBs is they have the athleticism to play pressure defense and the ability to perform well in coverage. I also am impressed with their versatility and feel like they could help inside (WILB) and outside.
 
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1. When Whiz was signed to his extension we were told he was promised some changes. Well, the past two days speak well to two of those changes: (1) the Cardinals are being pro-active; (2) the Cardinals are making decisions in an impressively decisive and timely manner.

These changes are so exciting that as Cardinal fans we suddenly can't know what to expect. Now there seems to be a clear cut plan in place...for they had a Plan B already in the works in the event that Antrel Rolle did not accept their most generous offer.

2. ESPN's KC Joyner is somehwat dubious about the money the Dolphins dished out to Karlos Dansby, and makes some very intriguing points. One is that according to LB production grades Dansby graded out only slightly (5%) higher than Akin Ayodele, the starting ILB they just released. Secondly, Joyner reasoned that the Dolphins must have seen some inconsistencies in Rolando McClain's efforts because he was the logical choice for them at #12. Imagine if McClain somehow sides to #26...that would be akin to losing Rolle and the chance to make him the highest paid safety in the NFL in favor of acquiring a better player in Kerry Rhodes at half the cost. Only, if McClain is there at #26 the Cardinals would be getting him at less than one fourth of Dansby's salary.

3. Now comes the competition and depth chapter of free agency and the draft. It would strongly appear that the Cardinals are going to need to acquire a veteran and a draft pick at the following positions: QB, ILB, OLB/DE, CB.

OK...fill in your choices:

Veteran QB:
Rookie QB:

Veteran ILB:
Rookie ILB:

Veteran OLB/DE:
Rookie OLB/DE:

Veteran CB:
Rookie CB:

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G:

TE:

WR:

NT:

SILB:

I am wondering what happens if the Cardinals re-sign NT Bryan Robinson before the draft. If they take a NT with one of their first 4 picks, it would force them to keep 3 NTs on the roster, which would take away from other spots. Perhaps it would be better to wait on signing Robinson until after the draft.

In light of the fact that the Cardinals showed interest in G Artis Hicks (who was signed by Washington), and because the coaches were not fully pleased with Reggie Wells and due to the reality that Deuce Lutui is in a contract year, I have a very strong feeling the Cardinals will draft a guard. My favorite is Mike Johnson (6-6, 306, Alabama), who would be an excellent value with one of the two 3rd round picks.

For some reason I don't think the Cardinals will draft a TE early this year. The top 2 TEs Gresham and Gronkowski have injury issues and are risky to take at #26 or #58 respectively, as much as you have to like their talent. Dorin Dickerson of Pittsburgh is a great athlete...but he doesn't fit Whiz's mold for a TE....which is why, IMO, that despite having a good pass catching TE in Dominique Byrd on the roster for much of last year, he was never activated for games. Whiz covets big blocker types who can catch the ball in the flats and up the seams.

I think the surprise pick of the draft may be at WR as the Cardinals will be looking for the #4 WR. I can see them being tempted to use one of the 3rd round picks or the 4th round pick on a WR. If Taylor Price of Ohio is on the board at #88...he could be the one.

I think the Cardinals are very high on last year's UCFA surprise SILB Reggie Walker, and because of that they may not add depth at that position until the later rounds or from the UCFA pool.

5. Draft prospects at LB who are really growing on me as I study their highlight tapes and analyses:

*sean Weatherspoon, Missouri

*Kao Misi, Utah

*Navorro Bowman, Penn. St.

*Thaddeus Gibson, Ohio St.

*Donald Butler, Washington

*Daryl Washington, TCU

What I love about all of these LBs is they have the athleticism to play pressure defense and the ability to perform well in coverage. I also am impressed with their versatility and feel like they could help inside (WILB) and outside.

I will slightly disagree with you here. Byrd has never been even an effort blocker where Dickerson ash shown to be willing and has experience playing fullback where he had to block. I have to think that if there is 1TE in this draft who shows great value for what the Cards are looking for, it is Dickerson. He has speed to go up the seam and break the cover 2, as well as the wiggle to put pressure on linebackers in the flats. He also is very versatile as he can lineup at fullback or at TE. If I am Whis, I line him up in a full-house backfield with Hightower and Wells and see how teams will try and stop it OR they can take Byham in the 6th or 7th as well, and have Patrick and Byham at TE and Dickerson at FB. Furthermore, Dickerson is a tough guy and should bring more athleticism to special teams as well.
 
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I will slightly disagree with you here. Byrd has never been even an effort blocker where Dickerson ash shown to be willing and has experience playing fullback where he had to block. I have to think that if there is 1TE in this draft who shows great value for what the Cards are looking for, it is Dickerson. He has speed to go up the seam and break the cover 2, as well as the wiggle to put pressure on linebackers in the flats. He also is very versatile as he can lineup at fullback or at TE. If I am Whis, I line him up in a full-house backfield with Hightower and Wells and see how teams will try and stop it OR they can take Byham in the 6th or 7th as well, and have Patrick and Byham at TE and Dickerson at FB. Furthermore, Dickerson is a tough guy and should bring more athleticism to special teams as well.

Great points, Chopper. Dickerson's versatility as a FB/H-Back type is impressive. I'm on board.
 

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Veteran QB: David Carr
Rookie QB: Tim Tebow/Tim Hiller

Veteran ILB: Will Weatherspoon/Larry Foote
Rookie ILB: Sean Weatherspoon

Veteran OLB/DE: Joey Porter
Rookie OLB/DE: Jerry Hughes

Veteran CB: Ken Lucas/Lito Shepard
Rookie CB: Chris Cook

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

My choices:

G: Jeremy Bridges/ Artis Hicks

TE: Ben Watson

WR: Chris Chambers/David Tyree

NT: Jamal Williams/Ian Scott

SILB: Akin Ayodele/Jeremiah Trotter(if hes ok health wise)
 

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Veteran QB: Carr
Rookie QB: Pike (CIN)

Veteran ILB: Foote
Rookie ILB: Spikes (FLA)

Veteran OLB/DE: Porter
Rookie OLB/DE: Gathers (South Carolina)

Veteran CB:Lucas
Rookie CB: Sam Shields (MIA)

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G: Ciron Black (LSU)

TE: Ben Watson

WR: Seyi Ajir0tutu (Fresno State)

NT: Kendrick Clancy

SILB: Joe Pawelek (Baylor)
 
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Veteran QB: Anderson
Rookie QB: LeFevour

Veteran ILB: Foote
Rookie ILB: Weatherspoon

Veteran OLB/DE: Porter
Rookie OLB/DE: Dekoda Watson

Veteran CB: Lito Sheperd
Rookie CB: J. Arenas

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G: vet: J. Bridges - draft: J. Asamoah

TE: vet: Ben Watson – draft: D. Pitta

WR: vet: A. Battle – draft: J. Shipley

NT: vet: J. Kennedy – draft: T. Troup

SILB: vet: Antonio Pierce – draft: Micah Johnson
 
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Veteran QB: David Carr-FA
Rookie QB: Tim Tebow-3rd Round

Veteran ILB: Larry Foote-FA
Rookie ILB: Sean Weatherspoon-1st Round

Veteran OLB/DE: Joey Porter-FA
Rookie OLB/DE: Kevin Basped-6th Round / Koa Misi-2nd Round

Veteran CB: None
Rookie CB: Walter Thurmond III-4th Round

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

My choices:

G: Jeremy Bridges-FA

TE: Dorin Dickerson-3rd Round / Nate Byham-7th Round

WR: Undrafted FA

NT: Jamal Williams-FA

SILB: Koa Misi-2nd Round
 

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Veteran QB: Derek Anderson
Rookie QB: John Skelton 6th Round

Veteran ILB: Larry Foote
Rookie ILB: Rolando McClain 1st Round, trade up

Veteran OLB/DE: Joey Porter
Rookie OLB/DE: Will Davis, Cody Brown else Dekoda Watson 4th Round

Veteran CB: Lito Shepard or Philip Buchanon
Rookie CB: AJ Jefferson 4th Round

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

NT - Terrence Cody, 2nd Round
TE - Jimmy Graham, 3rd Round
TE/FBi Dorin Dickerson, 3rd Round
WR - Kelton Tindal, 7th Round - UFA

My choices:

G: Jeremy Bridges/ Artis Hicks

WR: Chris Chambers/Tory Holt/ Laveraneus Coles

NT: Jamal Williams

SILB: Akin Ayodele
 
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OK...fill in your choices:

Veteran QB: David Carr
Rookie QB: Dan LeFevour

Veteran ILB: Derrick Johnson (trade)
Rookie ILB: Brandon Spikes/Sean Weatherspoon

Veteran OLB/DE:Elvis Dumerville (have to give up 1st and 3rd)
Rookie OLB/DE:Brandon Graham

Veteran CB:Would love to get Leigh Bodden. Phillip Buchanon/Marlin Jackson
Rookie CB: Jerome Murphy (third or fourth round) To develope.Big hitter with speed.

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G:Mike Iupati

C:Mitch Petrus (Project that I would move to center from guard 3-4 rounder.)

TE: Jimmy Graham

WR:Taylor Price

NT: Terrence Cody

SILB:
 

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How do you get Spikes/Weatherspoon, Iupati and Cody with just 1 first rounder and 1 2nd rounder?

Those are just my choices of who I would want. Weatherspoon and Iupati are both first rounders. I think Cody and Spikes are second rounders. We could get two of them. Just my choices for players not if we will get all of them.
 

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you can never have enough offensive linemen. Draft an ILB, rely on Cody Brown and Haggans as your OLBs, draft a DB or two, a nose guard, and everything else should be OL.

Seriously, we need some better linemen. No more false starts, holding penalties, single protection on dwight freeney.. it all has to stop or Leinart is gonna get killed back there.
 

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Veteran QB: Whitehurst
Rookie QB: J Brown, L Brown, Skelton

Veteran ILB: Foote
Rookie ILB: McClain, Spikes, Weatherspoon

Veteran OLB/DE: Porter
Rookie OLB/DE: Pierre-Paul, Graham, Watson, Gibson

Veteran CB: Lito Shepperd
Rookie CB: Cook, K Wilson, McCourty

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB (lower than #5 position-ranked).

Your choices:

G: vet: ?????- draft: Jerry

TE: vet: ?????– draft: D. Pitta

WR: vet: None – draft: Dickerson

NT: vet: None– draft: D Williams

SILB: vet: Antonio Pierce – draft: Chaney
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Veteran QB:Whitehurst
Rookie QB:Tebow

Veteran ILB:Foote
Rookie ILB:Spikes(2nd Round)

Veteran OLB/DE: Porter
Rookie OLB/DE:Weatherspoon(1st Round)

Veteran CB:Shepard
Rookie CB:Syd'quan Thompson(3rd round)

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G:Bobbie Williams

TE: Draft Colin Peek

WR: Draft Emmanuel Sanders

NT:Jamal Williams

SILB:Akin Ayodele

Glad im not the only one who really wants whitehurst :D
 

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Veteran QB: David Carr
Rookie QB: Max Hall

Veteran ILB: Larry Foote (FA)
Rookie ILB: Brandon Spikes (2nd)

Veteran OLB/DE: Joey Porter (FA)
Rookie OLB/DE: Sergio Kindle (1st)

Veteran CB: Dante Wesley (FA)
Rookie CB: SydQuan Thompson (3rd)

Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G: Jeremy Bridges (Vet)

TE: Colin Peek (6th)

WR: Jordan Shipley or Taylor Price (both in the 4th)

NT: Torrell Troupe (3rd)

SILB: I think the Cards like Reggie Walker, but with Hayes bad back, they need some insurance. Take your pick on a 7th rounder backer.
 

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Veteran QB: Patrick Ramsey (DET)
Rookie QB: Jarret Brown, WVA

Veteran ILB: Scott Fujita (NO)
Rookie ILB: Sean Weatherspoon, Mizzou

Veteran OLB/DE: Joey Porter, MIA
Rookie OLB/DE: Jan Jorgensen, BYU

Veteran CB: Fred Smoot, WAS
Rookie CB: Chris Cook, CB/S, Virginia



G: Vladimir Ducasse, UMass

TE: Michael Hoomanawanui, Illinois

WR: Chris McGaga, Arizona State

NT: Fred Robbins, NYG

SILB: A.J. Edds, Iowa

Draft looks like:
1(26) - Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Mizzou
2(58) - Vladimir Ducasse, OL, UMass
3A(88 - From Ravens) - A.J. Edds, ILB, Iowa
3B(91) - Chris Cook, DB, Virginia
4(121) - Jarrett Brown, QB, West Virginia
6(185) - Michael Hoomanawanui, TE, Illinois
7(217) - Chris McGaha, WR, Arizona State

UDFA - Jan Jorgensen, DE/OLB, BYU
UDFA - Jim Dray, TE, Stanford
UDFA - Kade Weston, NT, Georgia
UDFA - DeMarcus Granger, NT, Oklahoma
UDFA - Lorenzo Washington, DE, Alabama

I'm unhappy that the Cards don't walk out of this offseason with a true NT, but I couldn't find the value there.
 

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Veteran QB: Batch
Rookie QB: Skelton

Veteran ILB: Foote
Rookie ILB: Weatherspoon

Veteran OLB/DE: Porter is the only one on the market if not him then we just move on.
Rookie OLB/DE: Anyone outside of the first 3 rounds.

Veteran CB: Dont need one.
Rookie CB: Brandon Ghee

4. Adding depth at G, TE, WR, NT, SILB.

Your choices:

G: Dont think we need it

TE: Later round rookie, such as Jim Dray, Jimmy Graham, Tony Moeaki, Pitta

WR: Later round rookie such as Andre Roberts

NT: Cody, Troupe, heavily incentive laiden deal for Jamall Williams.

SILB: Later Round rookie Micah Johnson, Spikes, Phillip Dillard
 

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I wonder when people will come around to the idea that Brandon Spikes won't project to the WILB position in this offense? I hope it's before the actual draft.

Spikes will be able to replace Gerald Hayes in the next season or two if he becomes a Card, but in coverage Brandon Spikes makes Gerald Hayes look like Darelle Revis.
 

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How about keeping Okeafor for one more year and playing him at WILB while we groom a rookie? Chike's about the same size now as Dansby. He's quick enough and even had 7 pdf's back in '06 so he can play some pass defense.
 
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How about keeping Okeafor for one more year and playing him at WILB while we groom a rookie? Chike's about the same size now as Dansby. He's quick enough and even had 7 pdf's back in '06 so he can play some pass defense.

But much slower.
 

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How about keeping Okeafor for one more year and playing him at WILB while we groom a rookie? Chike's about the same size now as Dansby. He's quick enough and even had 7 pdf's back in '06 so he can play some pass defense.

No problem with that thought, if we can't sign Porter.
 

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I wonder when people will come around to the idea that Brandon Spikes won't project to the WILB position in this offense? I hope it's before the actual draft.

Spikes will be able to replace Gerald Hayes in the next season or two if he becomes a Card, but in coverage Brandon Spikes makes Gerald Hayes look like Darelle Revis.

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I'm very interested in what you think of this...as I watch Kao Misi of Utah and his combination of range, speed, aggressiveness, and tackling ability, could he be a natural fit at WILB? I prefer size (6-3, 244) to Weatherspoon's (6-1, 241)...makes me wonder if we can draft him at #58 and use the #26 pick on a CB (McCourty) or NT (Williams/Cody) or DE (Dunlap/Griffen/Pierre-Paul).
 

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I'm very interested in what you think of this...as I watch Kao Misi of Utah and his combination of range, speed, aggressiveness, and tackling ability, could he be a natural fit at WILB? I prefer size (6-3, 244) to Weatherspoon's (6-1, 241)...makes me wonder if we can draft him at #58 and use the #26 pick on a CB (McCourty) or NT (Williams/Cody) or DE (Dunlap/Griffen/Pierre-Paul).

I like Misi but i think we could trade back into the 2nd and get him but Misi is a sack machine and a natural OLB moving him to WILB would be a mistake IMO if he goes anywhere besides OLB its DE. We could draft Weatherspoon in the 1st and play him at WILB and trade up to get Misi in the early second.

Mitch me and Jeff have brought up Whitehurst as maybe an option as QB since he only has a 3rd round tender, i have heard nothing but good things what are your thoughts?

EDIT: Wont be there at 58 but a trade up could be an option
 
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