Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[GatorAZ]

Tyus leads the Suns in Win Shares per-48 and second in VORP. The ultimate bang for our buck.

 

[Ronin]

Evan Sidery

@esidery



Tyus Jones accepting a minimum deal with the Suns is paying off for 2025 free agency:
12.8 points (career-high)
6.9 assists (No. 1 AST/TO ratio)
44.1 3PT% (career-high)
62.8 TS% (career-high)
Phoenix will be unable to re-sign Jones unless they cleared significant cap space.

 

[Ronin]

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[Covert Rain]

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It won't matter. He will have a hangnail in no time and sit out again.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

Evan Sidery

@esidery
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The Suns will be one of the more active buyers on the trade market as they aim to capitalize on their all-in championship window.Phoenix is not willing to put their coveted 2031 first-round pick on the table, unless a true franchise-changing opportunity arises.

 

[Chaplin]

Evan Sidery
@esidery
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7m

The Suns will be one of the more active buyers on the trade market as they aim to capitalize on their all-in championship window.Phoenix is not willing to put their coveted 2031 first-round pick on the table, unless a true franchise-changing opportunity arises.

LOL Wut?

"More active buyers"?

 

[Ronin]

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[Proximo]

LOL Wut?

"More active buyers"?

What are they buying with?

Okogie isn't going to get you much. Only real thing we have to offer is Grayson, and even his value is not very high.

 

[Proximo]

I heard a podcast today where they went through all the teams on the list of Butler's wish list. They went through why it couldn't be done by any of them except for Phoenix. Then they said they couldn't see why Pat Riley wouldn't just let Butler walk.

Yes, if you go through the teams on his list - Houston doesn't want him. Dallas would have to give up way to many valuable role players. GS would have to give up Kuminga most likely who in my opinion is more valuable than Butler straight up and I really doubt that is the best offer they can get for him.

I'm sure Miami isn't very excited about Beal, but I don't think any of those other teams are actual options.

They may decide to let him just walk, not even saying that isn't the best decision.

 

[Ronin]

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[hcsilla]

If MIA ever would entartain the idea of trading Butler for Beal, the question is not whether the Suns are willing to include their 2031 unprotected 1st - since that is a must, IMO - but the question is if are they willing to include Dunn and/or Ighodaro as well.

 

[Hoop Head]

If MIA ever would entartain the idea of trading Butler for Beal, the question is not whether the Suns are willing to include their 2031 unprotected 1st - since that is a must, IMO - but the question is if are they willing to include Dunn and/or Ighodaro as well.

The Suns can't aggregate players. So any deal involving Dunn or Oso would need to be concurrent to a Butler for Beal deal. It still doesn't make sense for the Suns or the Heat though, the Suns to lose out on a young and cheap rotation player and for Miami to pay Beal for so much longer than Butler when they didn't have interest in Beal 18 months ago.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If MIA ever would entartain the idea of trading Butler for Beal, the question is not whether the Suns are willing to include their 2031 unprotected 1st - since that is a must, IMO - but the question is if are they willing to include Dunn and/or Ighodaro as well.

Yeah… I have to think a separate deal is made where one of those guys get traded to Miami also, along with a Beal + 2031 unprotected first.

 

[Proximo]

If MIA ever would entartain the idea of trading Butler for Beal, the question is not whether the Suns are willing to include their 2031 unprotected 1st - since that is a must, IMO - but the question is if are they willing to include Dunn and/or Ighodaro as well.

Screw Butler if it takes the 2031 pick.

I am not willing to delay our rebuild even one more year.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Screw Butler if it takes the 2031 pick.

I am not willing to delay our rebuild even one more year.

Why? At this point we're committed, and I'd much rather see 3 more years of Butler than of Beal.

 

[hcsilla]

The Suns can't aggregate players. So any deal involving Dunn or Oso would need to be concurrent to a Butler for Beal deal. It still doesn't make sense for the Suns or the Heat though, the Suns to lose out on a young and cheap rotation player and for Miami to pay Beal for so much longer than Butler when they didn't have interest in Beal 18 months ago.

Yes, correct, this would be extremely difficult technically.

I think that there is a decent chance that Butler picks-up his player option next year since the FA market next summer is very dry (only DET and WAS will have 40+ mil. cap room).

If he does, Beal's contract is only one year longer than Butler's.

 

[hcsilla]

Screw Butler if it takes the 2031 pick.

I am not willing to delay our rebuild even one more year.

I would happily trade the 2031 pick alongside Beal for Butler.

Including Dunn and/or Ighodaro (if technically possible at all) is a much harder pill to swallow.

 

[Ronin]

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[Proximo]

Why? At this point we're committed, and I'd much rather see 3 more years of Butler than of Beal.

Maybe you are committed, I'm not.

I know this team is going nowhere with or without Bultler for at least 8 years and I don't want to wait that long.

 

[GatorAZ]

Screw Butler if it takes the 2031 pick.

I am not willing to delay our rebuild even one more year.

That pick is 100% getting traded sometime over the next 7 years.

 

[Hoop Head]

Yes, correct, this would be extremely difficult technically.

I think that there is a decent chance that Butler picks-up his player option next year since the FA market next summer is very dry (only DET and WAS will have 40+ mil. cap room).

If he does, Beal's contract is only one year longer than Butler's.

There aren't attractive teams with max cap room but there would be more options in terms of a sign and trade. He could accept a smaller deal to go where he wants and after a failed season for 29 teams, some of them will be more willing to shuffle the deck and make a move for Butler.

I understand your view, I believe he opts out though because then he'd have more leverage to force a sign a trade. He seems like the type who would call Riley's bluff also if told to go ahead and sign elsewhere on a Midlevel Exception. Butler is very mercurial and I definitely think he'd rather play where he wants for the remainder of his career than add a few million to his bank account because he's reportedly not that financially driven and he's already cleared $200 million as a player.