Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[Hoop Head]

Wins/losses is a bad thing to support what you are saying. Maybe we are just a bad collection of players which would result in us losing despite who is out there, but that is another argument.

There is already evidence that says we are a better product when these two are not on the court.

The most part important metric is the teams record. Dismissing that is insanity to me. You don't make the playoffs by VORP ratings or whatever other advanced stat you want to claim.

I agree this team sucks but when I say team I mean entire makeup of the roster and not 2 guys. If I had to pick 2 guys to move in a last ditch effort to make this squad competitive it wouldn't be Beal and Nurkic.

We'll see what happens but the ship is still headed off the cliff as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Hoop Head]

I fully believe the team is dysfunctional and these two are the source of it. It is evident in every major analytic.

I disagree but time will tell. I expanded above since you and 95pro seem to share a viewpoint.

I just wanted to say thanks for elaborating a little more.

 

[Covert Rain]

Beal willing to waive his NTC for the Clippers, Heat, Lakers or Nuggets per Gambo.

Anybody work out trade machine scenarios yet? I have been in meetings all day.

 

[Mainstreet]

Beal willing to waive his NTC for the Clippers, Heat, Lakers or Nuggets per Gambo.

Anybody work out trade machine scenarios yet? I have been in meetings all day.

I'm working on the Pistons.

 

[GatorAZ]

Beal willing to waive his NTC for the Clippers, Heat, Lakers or Nuggets per Gambo.

Anybody work out trade machine scenarios yet? I have been in meetings all day.

Clippers don’t work because they’d have to include Harden or Powell who are better players than Beal.

Nuggets would probably do Porter Jr but we’d have to take back more bad salary attached to it.

Miami straight up no.

Lakers just got rid of Russell because Russell/Reaves were so bad defensively. Can’t see LA wanting to recreate that backcourt.

Detroit has the contracts but do they want to pay Beal the following two years once Ivey comes back?

Milwaukee can’t combine salaries because they’re in the 2nd apron like us.

 

[Proximo]

Clippers don’t work because they’d have to include Harden or Powell who are better players than Beal.

Nuggets would probably do Porter Jr but we’d have to take back more bad salary attached to it.

Miami straight up no.

Lakers just got rid of Russell because Russell/Reaves were so bad defensively. Can’t see LA wanting to recreate that backcourt.

Detroit has the contracts but do they want to pay Beal the following two years once Ivey comes back?

Milwaukee can’t combine salaries because they’re in the 2nd apron like us.

Why are you guys talking about Detroit if it's not on Beal's list?

Nuggets seem the most likely to me on that list, and if we could get Porter and one of their young guys I would consider it. Would be like Strauther, Porter, and Naji. Might take one more salary to make it work.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Mainstreet]

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Do you have a specific trade in mind?

 

[GatorAZ]

Do you have a specific trade in mind?

I thought we were only $10-12m over the 2nd apron but it’s actually closer to $40m so it’s not as sexy of a detail as I thought. Hypothetically we could combine salary if we took less than $40m back but nobody is taking that salary without sending some back. Sorry for the tease.

 

[Mainstreet]

I thought we were only $10-12m over the 2nd apron but it’s actually closer to $40m so it’s not as sexy of a detail as I thought. Hypothetically we could combine salary if we took less than $40m back but nobody is taking that salary without sending some back. Sorry for the tease.

I thought you might have a wink, wink type of trade in mind, when in reality it would be two separate trades contingent upon each other where one team temporarily drops below the 2nd apron to get it done.

 

[Yuma]

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No poo sherlock. That first trade would have to be a big contract. That's been the whole problem the whole time for teams over the second apron. Responding to the X, not GatorAZ.

 

[GatorAZ]

I thought you might have a wink, wink type of trade in mind, when in reality it would be two separate trades contingent upon each other where one team temporarily drops below the 2nd apron to get it done.

We can trade Grayson or Tyus for nothing but picks. Don’t need to take any salary back. Maybe Orlando?

 

[Mainstreet]

We can trade Grayson or Tyus for nothing but picks. Don’t need to take any salary back. Maybe Orlando?

I was looking at a bigger trade but yes, that works.

 

[GatorAZ]

I was looking at a bigger trade but yes, that works.

What kind of value does an elite 6th man have?!?

 

[Yuma]

We can trade Grayson or Tyus for nothing but picks. Don’t need to take any salary back. Maybe Orlando?

Tyus we won't because he's only on a one year deal. It was an agreement he come here to help his free agency value.

 

[Mainstreet]

What kind of value does an elite 6th man have?!?

At least a first round pick to a contender, unless he has Bradley Beal's salary.

 

[Yuma]

At least a first round pick to a contender, unless he has Bradley Beal's salary.

We needed Allen to be having the same year like last season.

 

[Hoop Head]

Tyus we won't because he's only on a one year deal. It was an agreement he come here to help his free agency value.

And? We traded a few guys last season who signed here on 1 year deals to improve their value (Yuta, Bate-Diop, and Metu). It's a business. Tyus' value is known around the league. He's been in the league a decade. He came here to compete for a championship and we know how that's going.

 

[clyde2tw]

Beal to 76sers, PG to Miami, Butler to Suns

 

[82CardsGrad]

9 of the next 10 games are against teams the Suns are supposed to be better than and therefore, are supposed to win… They need to go 33 & 15 the rest of the way just to match their win total from last season.
These next 9 winnable games will dictate our chances for merely equaling last season’s record…

 

[Ronin]

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[Covert Rain]

9 of the next 10 games are against teams the Suns are supposed to be better than and therefore, are supposed to win… They need to go 33 & 15 the rest of the way just to match their win total from last season.
These next 9 winnable games will dictate our chances for merely equaling last season’s record…

It's worse than that. They can only lose 18 games the rest of the way to match the team that got the last play in spot last year. This team may legit not make even the play in unless they go on a major run.

 

[Suns_fan69]

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I'd also like to date a supermodel and drive an F1 car. I'm guessing it's just as likely...

 

[Proximo]

I'd also like to date a supermodel and drive an F1 car. I'm guessing it's just as likely...

Well upgrading from Nurk is not really that hard. There might be a street free agent somewhere that is better.

 

[Mainstreet]

9 of the next 10 games are against teams the Suns are supposed to be better than and therefore, are supposed to win… They need to go 33 & 15 the rest of the way just to match their win total from last season.
These next 9 winnable games will dictate our chances for merely equaling last season’s record…

The way I look at it, as of this writing, only two losses separate the Suns from 6th place in the Western Conference.

As bad as the Suns have played, it's still not too late for them to get their act together.

The key, of course, is can the Suns right the ship? They can still be a playoff team with the right trade(s) if they can fix their interior defense.

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