Suns 2024-2025 Season Discussions

[BirdGangThing]

suns had 14 turnovers last night

kd had 5 book had 3 oneale had 2

bench these mother don't give a funkers

dunn had 0 turnovers - gillespie had 0 turnovers

oso had 1 turnover but was also a +2 on the +/-

richards had 1 turnover but was a +3

book was a -13
kd was a -12
beal was a -12

if the vets don't care or aren't producing bench them - bud's banished players all season long but he's afraid of kd - straight up plain and simple this man does not want to be known for beefing with star talent - beal don't give a funk - he already got benched but he already paid paid paid - bought that house - he's going the same place the suns are - freakin no wheres

kd had 5 turnovers - we lead the league in games decided by less than 10 points and this dude can't quit throwing it to the other team - maddening

but devin booker - you're the most disappointing

wtf is wrong with you - stand up for yourself - with your play and with your hands

you've been punked by ant and luka for so long others are lining up to disrespect you - to put you in your place knock you down and step over you - what happened to you man - from wolf to sheep

there is no kendrick in our big 3 - we got drake - a narcissistic snoop dog and some other buster with chronic laryngitis - the rap game has passed us by

 

[AzStevenCal]

suns had 14 turnovers last night

kd had 5 book had 3 oneale had 2

bench these mother don't give a funkers

dunn had 0 turnovers - gillespie had 0 turnovers

oso had 1 turnover but was also a +2 on the +/-

richards had 1 turnover but was a +3

book was a -13
kd was a -12
beal was a -12

if the vets don't care or aren't producing bench them - bud's banished players all season long but he's afraid of kd - straight up plain and simple this man does not want to be known for beefing with star talent - beal don't give a funk - he already got benched but he already paid paid paid - bought that house - he's going the same place the suns are - freakin no wheres

kd had 5 turnovers - we lead the league in games decided by less than 10 points and this dude can't quit throwing it to the other team - maddening

but devin booker - you're the most disappointing

wtf is wrong with you - stand up for yourself - with your play and with your hands

you've been punked by ant and luka for so long others are lining up to disrespect you - to put you in your place knock you down and step over you - what happened to you man - from wolf to sheep

there is no kendrick in our big 3 - we got drake - a narcissistic snoop dog and some other buster with chronic laryngitis - the rap game has passed us by

Durant had 5 turnovers against just 2 assists, that's a huge problem. Booker had 3 turnovers against 11 assists, that's a good ratio. And I'm not arguing against the idea of benching him, just your"evidence".

But bench him or not, someone needs to figure out where the real Devin is hiding so we can get rid of his subpar clone and begin to rehab the original's value. Our current version is worth about half what we're paying him, no one's going to sell the farm to acquire him. And we need superstar value when we do move Booker.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Durant had 5 turnovers against just 2 assists, that's a huge problem. Booker had 3 turnovers against 11 assists, that's a good ratio. And I'm not arguing against the idea of benching him, just your"evidence".

But bench him or not, someone needs to figure out where the real Devin is hiding so we can get rid of his subpar clone and begin to rehab the original's value. Our current version is worth about half what we're paying him, no one's going to sell the farm to acquire him. And we need superstar value when we do move Booker.

i don't know who book is anymore - hard to tell

 

[AzStevenCal]

i don't know who book is anymore - hard to tell

I don't either. We occasionally get glimpses of the real thing but sometimes it seems like he's never practiced a shot in his life.

 

[Covert Rain]

I don't either. We occasionally get glimpses of the real thing but sometimes it seems like he's never practiced a shot in his life.

The issue for Book most of this season has been the timing of his scoring. Those glimpses come when the game is out of hand or early. When it comes down to critical times at the end of quarters or halfs? I see lot's of bad decisions. We have seen this Book before. Early in his career he was an empty stat guy. When he is point Book he tries to do too much. As much as people complain here about KD having great stats but no results? Book is just as guilty.

 

[Hoop Head]

Durant had 5 turnovers against just 2 assists, that's a huge problem. Booker had 3 turnovers against 11 assists, that's a good ratio. And I'm not arguing against the idea of benching him, just your"evidence".

But bench him or not, someone needs to figure out where the real Devin is hiding so we can get rid of his subpar clone and begin to rehab the original's value. Our current version is worth about half what we're paying him, no one's going to sell the farm to acquire him. And we need superstar value when we do move Booker.

Part of the issue with Booker is they've made him the PG again. Beal may be the one to bring the ball up, when he's healthy, but Book is the one initiating the offense for the majority of the Suns possessions. It's to the detriment of the team as a whole to continually push him to PG. He's a decent playmaker but his ball handling is what keeps him from being a true combo guard like a SGA or Cade.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I don't either. We occasionally get glimpses of the real thing but sometimes it seems like he's never practiced a shot in his life.

i think it's mental af - for really tho - 4 or 5 years ago book was an assassin - he's lost his confidence now - he accepts defeat

whatever people have that's in them - when ish gets tough and getting tough is the only way to fight thru it - that's what the greats do from jordan to kobe from luka to ant - they don't give up they get mad and play even harder - one thing they don't do is get picked on

im just tired of it man - i haven't seen book in years - not sure we'll see him again - he cowers and acts oblivious to the disrespect put on him instead of letting it anger/motivate him into finding that next level - im not sure it's ever going to happen - he might have a better chance at growing boobs - devin booker doesn't have a war face

 

[95pro]

KD has too much influence on Book, mostly negative.

 

[Cheesebeef]

KD has too much influence on Book, mostly negative.

That’s on Book, not KD. If someone can be that easily swayed, they are beyond mentally weak to begin with.

Curry never let KD influence him, neither did Klay or Dray. Bottom line is Booker is mentally weak and that’s one of the main reasons almost every superstar he goes head to head with is his Daddy.

 

[Covert Rain]

That’s on Book, not KD. If someone can be that easily swayed, they are beyond mentally weak to begin with.

Curry never let KD influence him, neither did Klay or Dray. Bottom line is Booker is mentally weak and that’s one of the main reasons almost every superstar he goes head to head with is his Daddy.

100% this. That is more of an indictment on Book and just more proof he is a follower and not a leader.

 

[Hoop Head]

That’s on Book, not KD. If someone can be that easily swayed, they are beyond mentally weak to begin with.

Curry never let KD influence him, neither did Klay or Dray. Bottom line is Booker is mentally weak and that’s one of the main reasons almost every superstar he goes head to head with is his Daddy.

Curry had support of his team, Dray, Klay, Kerr, and the front office as well as being a media darling. This front office traded Booker's best friends for KD and then moved his mentor for a player with a duplicate skill set. They also fired the coach who got Booker to become a winner. What exactly was Booker supposed to do after seeing that play out over 5-6 months? Hope for the best and give it a shot or walk back all he said about wanting to finish his career here and start a power play with KD? There weren't a plethora of options available to him. He did get along with KD during the Olympics before so it makes sense why he'd believe it could work. It didn't, obviously, but his options were limited.

 

[BirdGangThing]

That’s on Book, not KD. If someone can be that easily swayed, they are beyond mentally weak to begin with.

Curry never let KD influence him, neither did Klay or Dray. Bottom line is Booker is mentally weak and that’s one of the main reasons almost every superstar he goes head to head with is his Daddy.

exactly - grown ass men don't need other grown ass men to be grown ass men

 

[Covert Rain]

Book and KD both account for just under 40% of the teams turnovers. As is stands Booker leads the team in turnovers:

Which Suns Player Has The Most Turnovers This Season | StatMuse

Devin Booker has the most turnovers for the Suns this season with 175 turnovers.

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However, you can't look at turnovers in vacuum. For example Anthony Edwards is #1 in turnovers but his plus minus is still +225 when he is on the court. Book on the other hand is #3 in turnovers and his plus minus while on the court is -104.

Which Shooting Guard Has The Most Turnovers This Season | StatMuse

Anthony Edwards has committed the most turnovers by a shooting guard this season with 214 turnovers.

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Similar story with Durant. Tatum is #1 at his position with the most turnovers but his plus minus is +443 when on the court (by the way that is downright sick and shows how much impact he has on his team). Durant is #3 like Book but his plus minus is -8 when on the court.

Which Power Forward Has The Most Turnovers This Season | StatMuse

Jayson Tatum has the most turnovers by a power forward this season with 186 turnovers.

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This seems to say that Book is hurting us on the floor much more than Durant. The fact that they are both top 5 in total turnovers and their plus/minus is both negative would seem to be a double whammy. However, it appears Booker's turnovers have been more costly to the team. His plus/minus is much worse than Durants.