Suns at Thunder 12-14-14

[Mainstreet]

Ennis is looking like a player.

 

[Mainstreet]

Final: Thunder 112 Suns 88.

 

[sunsfan88]

This game showed how we look without Dragic....yikes!

 

[slinslin]

This game showed how we look without Dragic....yikes!

This game showed nothing, you are perfecting the art of being a troll. Overstating everything is starting to become your thing.

 

[sunsfan88]

This game showed nothing, you are perfecting the art of being a troll. Overstating everything is starting to become your thing.

Lol coming from you, the biggest troll of maybe this entire board not just the Suns section?

 

[sunsfan88]

Ennis is looking like a player.

He really is. I think he has a solid future in the NBA, I thought he may be turn out to be Marshall 2.0 but he looks far better than that in the limited minutes he's gotten.

 

[Mainstreet]

He really is. I think he has a solid future in the NBA, I thought he may be turn out to be Marshall 2.0 but he looks far better than that in the limited minutes he's gotten.

Ennis looked far quicker than I remember and he displayed some maturity. I couldn't help but wonder if he wasn't the best PG the Suns had on the court last night without Dragic. It was only one game but he looks like he can really be good when he develops.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Ennis looked far quicker than I remember and he displayed some maturity. I couldn't help but wonder if he wasn't the best PG the Suns had on the court last night without Dragic. It was only one game but he looks like he can really be good when he develops.

I'm having trouble following the bouncing ball on this forum. In July he was a complete bust and not even worth a second round pick. It seems to be the consensus here that young players can only improve if they play in real games and yet, now, Ennis, without any game time, is starting to look like a real prospect?

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm having trouble following the bouncing ball on this forum. In July he was a complete bust and not even worth a second round pick. It seems to be the consensus here that young players can only improve if they play in real games and yet, now, Ennis, without any game time, is starting to look like a real prospect?

Steve

I'm not sure if I was the one down on Ennis, only that he needed time to develop. He moved really well last night and looked like an NBA player out there, much better than I expected. I thought he even looked better than Warren considering his limited playing time.

 

[ProdigalSun]

I'm not sure if I was the one down on Ennis, only that he needed time to develop. He moved really well last night and looked like an NBA player out there, much better than I expected. I thought he even looked better than Warren considering his limited playing time.

Given that... we need to move one of these point guards to help this team move forward

 

[Mainstreet]

Given that... we need to move one of these point guards to help this team move forward

The PGs I would most like to move are Bledsoe and IT. Unfortunately Bledsoe has this large 5 year contract. Ennis is on a reasonable rookie contract so I would like to see the Suns keep him. Also he looks to be more of a pure PG than the others.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not sure if I was the one down on Ennis, only that he needed time to develop. He moved really well last night and looked like an NBA player out there, much better than I expected. I thought he even looked better than Warren considering his limited playing time.

Sorry, I wasn't aiming that at anyone in particular. I just don't know why the common thinking now seems to be that all young players must get lots of game time in order to improve. There are things specific to the NBA game that probably have to be experienced to truly understand but a lot of one and done college players (and some two and dones too) still have a lot to learn about the game of basketball and practice is still the best place for that IMO. I just used your acknowledgement that Ennis was showing improvement as a springboard for this point.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

The PGs I would most like to move are Bledsoe and IT. Unfortunately Bledsoe has this large 5 year contract. Ennis is on a reasonable rookie contract so I would like to see the Suns keep him. Also he looks to be more of a pure PG than the others.

There will be desperate small-market, crappy teams that won't mind Bledsoe's contract. Downside is that they aren't gonna give anything up for him. IT's contract is really good, so the Suns may be able to get something out of him.

 

[Mainstreet]

There will be desperate small-market, crappy teams that won't mind Bledsoe's contract. Downside is that they aren't gonna give anything up for him. IT's contract is really good, so the Suns may be able to get something out of him.

I hate to say it, but moving Bledsoe's contract should be a priority especially if the Suns can get anything useable in return. That 5 year, 70 million dollar contract was a mistake as I look at the Suns today. IT definitely needs to go as I don't think he is a happy camper.

 

[elindholm]

I hate to say it, but moving Bledsoe's contract should be a priority especially if the Suns can get anything useable in return. That 5 year, 70 million dollar contract was a mistake as I look at the Suns today.

The Suns had Bledsoe pegged about right at 48/4. I don't know why they caved. Make your best assessment of the player's value, offer that contract, and stick to it. The Suns got played by Bledsoe and his agent.

 

[SirStefan32]

Keep in mind though that with the new TV deal and increase to salary cap, Bledsoe's contract will get better as time goes by. Bledsoe is good enough that someone will take him. I just don't think anyone will really offer anything meaningful in return.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns had Bledsoe pegged about right at 48/4. I don't know why they caved. Make your best assessment of the player's value, offer that contract, and stick to it. The Suns got played by Bledsoe and his agent.

I think the Suns got locked into let's not lose an asset mentality.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Keep in mind though that with the new TV deal and increase to salary cap, Bledsoe's contract will get better as time goes by. Bledsoe is good enough that someone will take him. I just don't think anyone will really offer anything meaningful in return.

Then I'd much rather keep him. We're going nowhere, without him and probably with him. Find small fixes that up the value of our players and move them when they are at peak value, not when they return pennies on the dollar. I'd rather struggle through a bad season then give away one of our few plus players.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Then I'd much rather keep him. We're going nowhere, without him and probably with him. Find small fixes that up the value of our players and move them when they are at peak value, not when they return pennies on the dollar. I'd rather struggle through a bad season then give away one of our few plus players.

Steve

I think your philosophy is generally correct. It's kind of like stock, don't sell low. However, my concern, is the Suns are not going to give Dragic the type of money Bledsoe received so at some point the Suns are going to ask, which PG do they want to keep? I do not want to lose Dragic. If the Suns get a reasonable offer for Bledsoe, I think they should take it.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think your philosophy is generally correct. It's kind of like stock, don't sell low. However, my concern, is the Suns are not going to give Dragic the type of money Bledsoe received so at some point the Suns are going to ask, which PG do they want to keep? I do not want to lose Dragic. If the Suns get a reasonable offer for Bledsoe, I think they should take it.

I think it's even worse than that. What the Suns offer financially may not matter to Dragic. What they can offer him is a chance to lead the team. Until Bledsoe is not on the roster, that's not going to happen. Remember, Dragic already went from "Oh, I am opting out and signing a new deal with the Suns" to "Well, I am going to test free agency and see what's out there." Considering how much he loves Phoenix and the great relationship he has with Sarver, that's really telling.

 

[Superbone]

I'm having trouble following the bouncing ball on this forum. In July he was a complete bust and not even worth a second round pick. It seems to be the consensus here that young players can only improve if they play in real games and yet, now, Ennis, without any game time, is starting to look like a real prospect?

Steve

You're not getting any younger, Steve. Push that walker harder!

 

[Superbone]

The Suns had Bledsoe pegged about right at 48/4. I don't know why they caved. Make your best assessment of the player's value, offer that contract, and stick to it. The Suns got played by Bledsoe and his agent.

Yep.

 

[Superbone]

I think the Suns got locked into let's not lose an asset mentality.

Yep.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think it's even worse than that. What the Suns offer financially may not matter to Dragic. What they can offer him is a chance to lead the team. Until Bledsoe is not on the roster, that's not going to happen. Remember, Dragic already went from "Oh, I am opting out and signing a new deal with the Suns" to "Well, I am going to test free agency and see what's out there." Considering how much he loves Phoenix and the great relationship he has with Sarver, that's really telling.

You are correct. This is why Bledsoe needs to go. I do worry the Suns may not get a reasonable trade offer for Bledsoe so they trade Dragic. This would be a mistake. In any regard, IT needs to be traded.

 

[SirStefan32]

You are correct. This is why Bledsoe needs to go. I do worry the Suns may not get a reasonable trade offer for Bledsoe so they trade Dragic. This would be a mistake. In any regard, IT needs to be traded.

Agreed. McD needs to start with IT.