Suns at Utah 11-29-13

[ProdigalSun]

Channing Frye playing like a strongman.

Glad to see him work in the post and be successful. Plumlee and Kieff's low post games have also improved this year. Kudos to West and Gattison.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I'm over here vacationing. The cable at the resort I'm staying at only has the Suns games instandard def. Is that all there is or is a channel that broadcasts in HD?

Thanks


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[Superbone]

The Suns seriously outclassed the Jazz tonight. It was good to see Bledsoe back. I expect more of the same tomorrow night.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm over here vacationing. The cable at the resort I'm staying at only has the Suns games instandard def. Is that all there is or is a channel that broadcasts in HD?

Thanks
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It took me a minute to reason out where "over here" is. I take it you're still in the Valley area? If so, I can't tell you what channel is in HD but I do know that the Suns games are carried in HD. They wouldn't be available on the NBA League Pass as HD otherwise. It must just be an issue with the resort you're staying at.

Steve

 

[Sunburn]

Lol I can't take Steve Albert anymore. Never has a broadcaster bothered me, let alone me not being able to stand them. I'm actually getting acne from face-palming so much.

 

[devilalum]

Lol I can't take Steve Albert anymore. Never has a broadcaster bothered me, let alone me not being able to stand them. I'm actually getting acne from face-palming so much.

You do realize that he's part of Sarver's insidious plan to move the Suns to Albuquerque?

 

[Sunburn]

Hayward didn't look like a guy for whom I'd want to break the bank.

 

[Sunburn]

You do realize that he's part of Sarver's insidious plan to move the Suns to Albuquerque?

Aw yes, the basketball Mecca that is Albuquerque

 

[Superbone]

Lol I can't take Steve Albert anymore. Never has a broadcaster bothered me, let alone me not being able to stand them. I'm actually getting acne from face-palming so much.

I was forced to watch the Jazz announcers tonight as my Suns broadcast was freezing on my DirecTV rig. Not much better if at all. Those guys were pretty dry.

 

[carrrnuttt]

Has anyone checked out any of the Jazz forums recently?

Here's some recent gems:

Any guesses for how our record would be right now with Hornacek coaching us? I'd say 10-6, or 9-7.

A lot closer to .500 than they are.

If Hornacek was coaching us, we would be taking a lot more 3s and fast breaking a lot more which is the way I like to have my team play. Fast breaking basketball requires less smarts which would help our village idiot Burks play better.

Any guesses on Suns record if they didn't have Hornacek?!? Maybe .500, but probably less.

Suns record if they had Corbin, they would definitely have 4 wins tops.

What an idiot let Horny go, top pick wont replace such good coaching.

Looking at Phoenix's roster it's shocking they're 8-7.

HORNACECK is a GREAT COACH

Pheonix is so well coached.
Hornacek puts in Dragic on Burke. Dragic posts him up and causes 2 fouls on Burke.
Then what does Corbin do to fix this size problem? Puts in an even smaller point guard.

This is not to mention that they exploit the Jazz bigs coming out on the PnR too far. They're getting open shots all day by following their offense.

Phoenix are ****ing money from mid range

I always kinda dismissed people when they would say things like "oh we can get hornacek to work on his shot he'll be fine". but maybe there really is something to that

Suns look so well coached. Hmmm

Watching Horney outcoach Corbin is like watching that last great playoff series we had when Jerry Sloan completely dumped poor Adrian Dantley of the Nuggets when Karl was battling cancer.

From the offensive execution, rotation, to use of timeouts.

What a horrible mistake we made not dumping Corbin and letting Hornacek go. One that might haunt us for years.

man this has been a clinic by the Suns. Based on the rosters this game has to be a massive indictment on our coach.

Ive been pretty quiet on Ty this year. But this **** is getting embarrassing. I don't mind losing because we have no bench but the team is just not trying at all. And the vets are now getting too many minutes as well. So much for letting the future of this team grow up together. Just panic and throw the vets out there because you are unwilling or unable to teach the young guys. Way to go Ty, good job coaching.
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Seriously does phoenix even have as much talent as the Jazz? Because they are a bunch of no names lighting up the league while the Jazz look confused and pathetic on both ends of the floor.

I miss Jeff Hornacek... Sad face

Just think how good Burke would be if Jeff was his coach

Let's play devil's advocate - what would our record be if Sloan was the coach?

Better yet, what would our record be if Hornacek was our coach?

Hornacek is the guy who works for a crappy company. Decides to open his own store and becomes a millionaire.

A Corbin coached Suns team (with their current roster) would be so gloriously terrible... my god... what did we do to deserve this

If there's anybody still defending Corbin, this game tonight settled it once and for all.

Two young, inexperienced teams chosen to finish in the bottom five... yet the Suns (chosen to finish dead last) are overachieving and may contend for a playoff spot. Even if they don't, Hornacek is bringing out a lot from this rag-tag group and they could have as many as four first round picks in next year's unprecedented draft. The Suns are without a doubt on the upswing.

The Jazz, projected by many to finish 5th to last, are in fact DEAD last. This team is sloppy, appears to have no direction, doesn't click well as a team, players repeatedly make the same mistakes, the young talent is not being developed the way it should be, mediocre vets still getting playing time for some reason, I could go on and on and on. It was painfully obvious tonight, as blatant as could be. Jeff Hornacek was clowning Ty Corbin all night long.

If you watched this game and still have any excuses for Ty, nothing in this world can fix what's wrong with you.

That being said, I know tanking for a star is what's best for this team long-term, so what the hell... keep Corbin around for the rest of the season because any other team is hard pressed to out-tank us as long as we've got Corbin running the show. It's just painful to see what a great up and coming coach we could have had in Hornacek, instead we're stuck (for now) with bone head Corbin.

How refreshing to see a well coached team get the most out of his talent...too bad the Jazz never had a shot at a coach like that.

And these are just from two small game threads from this game.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am not sure what to think of this team. Is Horny such a good coach that he is taking a bunch of mediocre players and making them look like a playoff team? Or are players like Gerald Green, and PJ Tucker just the ultimate late bloomers in the mold of Michael Redd, John Starks, or Stephen Jackson?

We keep talking about trading for players like Hayward, but he doesn't look as good to me as Dragic or even Green for that matter right now. But is it just the circumstances of different teams?

 

[95pro]

I am not sure what to think of this team. Is Horny such a good coach that he is taking a bunch of mediocre players and making them look like a playoff team? Or are players like Gerald Green, and PJ Tucker just the ultimate late bloomers in the mold of Michael Redd, John Starks, or Stephen Jackson?

We keep talking about trading for players like Hayward, but he doesn't look as good to me as Dragic or even Green for that matter right now. But is it just the circumstances of different teams?

Chemistry amongst players and coaches

 

[SirStefan32]

I think the key to coaching (or any kind of leadership) is knowing your people and getting the most out of them by putting them in a position to be successful. McD and Hornacek have assembled a group of guys that like to run, and are letting them run. I believe they have to be near the top of the league when it comes to fast break points.

Having said all that, I question the long-term strategy of a "running" team when it comes to actually winning the championship, but there are some differences between this team and D'Antoni's SSOL teams.
Most of the team can play D. Neither Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Green, or Plumlee are going to be on an all-defensive team, but they can all play D.
At least two players can create their own shot (Bledsoe and Dragic), while Morris and Plumlee can score in the post, though not consistently.
Add a PF/C who can consistently score in the low post while playing some D, and add a swingman who can shoot, play D, and create his own shot, and this team becomes quite dangerous.

 

[BC867]

You do realize that he's part of Sarver's insidious plan to move the Suns to Albuquerque?

Albuquerque has an Indian School Road downtown. Phoenix has an Indian School Road downtown. I know because I lived in Albuquerque during 1990 when a previous company who had left Phoenix relocated to Philadelphia (I did not), then lured me over when they bought a facility in Albuquerque two years later.

When I'd come back to Phoenix for the weekend to visit my two sons (when they weren't flying over to see me), people would ask where I'm living and I'd say, " Indian School Road . . . the one in Albuquerque." Happily, I returned to NE Phoenix at the end of the year.

I had an apartment 1/4 mile southeast of the intersection of I-40 and I-25 and worked 1/4 mile northwest of it. I got on I-40 and off I-25. Two interstate highways to travel 1/2 mile to work. Crazy!

Anyway, maybe Sarver can move to New Mexico, open a bank and sell the Suns.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I think the key to coaching (or any kind of leadership) is knowing your people and getting the most out of them by putting them in a position to be successful. McD and Hornacek have assembled a group of guys that like to run, and are letting them run. I believe they have to be near the top of the league when it comes to fast break points.

Having said all that, I question the long-term strategy of a "running" team when it comes to actually winning the championship, but there are some differences between this team and D'Antoni's SSOL teams.
Most of the team can play D. Neither Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Green, or Plumlee are going to be on an all-defensive team, but they can all play D.
At least two players can create their own shot (Bledsoe and Dragic), while Morris and Plumlee can score in the post, though not consistently.
Add a PF/C who can consistently score in the low post while playing some D, and add a swingman who can shoot, play D, and create his own shot, and this team becomes quite dangerous.

The Suns are #1 in the NBA in fast break points at 20.4 per game. The 2nd best team is New Orleans and they average 17.8 per game.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/fastbreak-points-per-game

 

[Errntknght]

I expected Diante Garrett to put up a good show against his old team but Corbin never gave him a chance - if he had any sense he'd start him at PG. He leads the team in assist rate and assist to TO ratio - and he's shooting well, too. Much better than he did for us. Trey Burke will probably come around with time but now he's not much of a step up from Burks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the key to coaching (or any kind of leadership) is knowing your people and getting the most out of them by putting them in a position to be successful. McD and Hornacek have assembled a group of guys that like to run, and are letting them run. I believe they have to be near the top of the league when it comes to fast break points.

Having said all that, I question the long-term strategy of a "running" team when it comes to actually winning the championship, but there are some differences between this team and D'Antoni's SSOL teams.
Most of the team can play D. Neither Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Green, or Plumlee are going to be on an all-defensive team, but they can all play D.
At least two players can create their own shot (Bledsoe and Dragic), while Morris and Plumlee can score in the post, though not consistently.
Add a PF/C who can consistently score in the low post while playing some D, and add a swingman who can shoot, play D, and create his own shot, and this team becomes quite dangerous.

I think Bledsoe will be on an all-defensive team someday. Also, Bled seems to be able to get to the rim at will. That opens up everything for everyone else.

Actually, Len might actually be the low post scorer we are looking for, if we can develop him. Green is looking like the a swingman who can shoot and play D. We do not need different TYPES of players at every position. We might just need players who are a little better at doing what our players already do.

I do think a big, defensive 2-3 might be a help.

 

[JS22]

It's amazing how much more entertaining this team is. Even with injuries to both Bledsoe and Dragic they are sitting at 9-7. They don't look nearly bad enough to tank so I'm pulling for a playoff spot. I don't even care if they get handled in the 1st round.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think Bledsoe will be on an all-defensive team someday. Also, Bled seems to be able to get to the rim at will. That opens up everything for everyone else.

Actually, Len might actually be the low post scorer we are looking for, if we can develop him. Green is looking like the a swingman who can shoot and play D. We do not need different TYPES of players at every position. We might just need players who are a little better at doing what our players already do.

I do think a big, defensive 2-3 might be a help.

Right- exactly. Green does look like the type of a player we need, but to be a contender, we'll need one that does everything a bit better (I am not impressed with Green's ability to create his own shot, mainly.)
Not sure about Len. In theory, he sounds like the type we'd need, but I haven't seen enough of him. He's barely played, and I am not convinced he'll ever be healthy enough to play for an extended period of time.

Younger Igoudala/ Granger is what I envision as the type of a small forward we need. Harrison Barnes is probably who I would go after, but I don't see a way to convince the Warriors to send him our way.

As far as big men go, Slightly younger Al Jefferson, or LMA would be ideal, though Al was never very good defensively. LMA, on the other hand, doesn't have as good of a low post game.

Not sure if Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Barnes/ Aldridge/ Plumlee team would be enough to win it all, but with a proper bench, I think they might be. It's a pipe dream though- there's no way the Suns would be able to get LMA or Barnes, especially without giving up Dragic or Bledsoe and a bunch of picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Both the 3 and the 4 need to be complete players. Whoever we get for the long term answer at 3 needs to be able to drive, shoot (from the three too) and play d on the wing. The 4 needs to be an inside out defender, score in the post, and rebound.