Suns bothered by zone... duh

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I'll still never understand why every opponent doesn't come out in a zone from the tip off. I don't think the Suns could currently break 75 ppg if their opponents played 48 minutes of the zone defense.

Oh well, here's hoping that doesn't happen. :)

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/1110suns1110.html

Suns baffled by teams in the zone
Passing a key to battling 'D'

Bob Young
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 10, 2003 12:00 AM



Suns coach Frank Johnson was sporting a telltale bandage thickly wrapped around his pinkie finger at Sunday's practice.

"I was watching tape of the Utah game, and I broke a glass I was holding," said Johnson, who demonstrated how he squeezed the glass in aggravation.

The price: Six stitches.

That loss to Utah was two games ago. The Suns bounced back to beat Memphis and visit Golden State tonight. But it's easy to understand why that game is still eating at Johnson.

The Jazz frustrated the Suns with a zone defense. And Memphis used a zone to get back into the next game Friday night after the Suns nearly blew them out. Other teams will study that tape.

Until the Suns show they can handle the zone, Johnson figures to spend some more frustrating nights with the VCR.

"We definitely have times when we're fumbling around a little bit. We tend to hold the ball too long," forward Tom Gugliotta said. "Zones are kind of boggling our minds a little bit."

The Suns ranked 27th out of 29 NBA teams in assists through Saturday's games.

Johnson constantly harps on ball movement, begging during games for one more pass.

Eventually, one answer may be rookie Zarko Cabarkapa. Distributing the ball is among the 6-foot-11 forward's strengths.

But Johnson said Cabarkapa, who missed the preseason because of hernia surgery, is still trying to work his way into form.

"What we have to understand is we're still a young team compared to where we were even last year," Johnson said. "And we've added someone else (center Jahidi White), which is going to slow us down for a little while.

"We have to keep things very simple."

Of course, if the Suns can get into their running game, opponents won't have the opportunity to set up in a zone.

So far, that hasn't happened. The Suns haven't created enough opportunities with their defense, also ranking 27th in steals.

The Warriors, however, like to play an up-tempo style, and only five teams in the league have turned it over more often. That is likely to help the Suns get into their own running game.

But eventually they will have to establish that they can beat zone defenses or they'll see them every night.

"It seems like we're starting to realize the more we move the ball, the easier it is," Gugliotta said. "Just pass and cut, the ball moves more, and it's a lot easier to score.

"Everybody is watching tape, so they're going to at least give it a shot. Some teams are playing it really well, so they might stick to it.

"It's something we're going to have to beat. But there's no reason we can't. Other than not moving the ball, there's no other reason why we can't carve up a zone."

The Suns aren't the only team in the league struggling to score this season. In fact, their 90.4 points a game ranks 17th in the NBA.

Throughout the league, teams are using zones more effectively.

"Definitely," Gugliotta said. "Everybody has another year under the belt on how to cheat better - or at least take all you can that's legal. I think teams are getting more efficient at playing it."
 

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The money shot in this article was Young's leading with the Frank stitches anecdote. He played it for laughs, but he clearly did not cut himself watching game film. So how did Frank cut himself????:p
 

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The players have to move, not the ball. The ball already moves just fine. If the Suns haven't grasped this elementary fact, no wonder they're struggling against zone defenses.
 
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Originally posted by elindholm
The players have to move, not the ball. The ball already moves just fine. If the Suns haven't grasped this elementary fact, no wonder they're struggling against zone defenses.

Hold on a second. Are you actually suggesting that Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, and the others move around when they don't have the basketball? I don't understand, and apparently neither do the Phoenix Suns. I thought the best way to bust a zone defense is to put all five players around the perimeter and pass the ball from person to person as quickly as possible until there is an open three-point shot where the shot clock runs out.

I wonder if moving without the ball actually helps?

Joe Mama :)
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Hold on a second. Are you actually suggesting that Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, and the others move around when they don't have the basketball? I don't understand, and apparently neither do the Phoenix Suns. I thought the best way to bust a zone defense is to put all five players around the perimeter and pass the ball from person to person as quickly as possible until there is an open three-point shot where the shot clock runs out.

I wonder if moving without the ball actually helps?

Joe Mama :)

HO, HO, HO, :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
 

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I wonder if moving without the ball actually helps?

It actually hurts!! I can't count the number of times Marbury or Marion, or Penny, has gone up in the air and passed to a spot where their teammates are usually rooted in stone, only to have the ball whistle out of bounds over the vacated spot. Oh sure, it would be easier NOT to go into the air without a plan to begin with, but hey, we are an ATHLETIC team and that's our strength! No, It's much easier to dribble around, leap into the air, and pass to a spot when you realize you don't know why you jumped into the air to begin with!! :) :D
 

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Simple generic movement is not that effective against the zone - it's got to be coordinated with player positioning in order to create seams for people to slash through or open, short range shots. Essentially you're trying to get two offensive players in an area which only has one defender - that requires movement because the zone will adjust to any static positioning but just running around somewhere doesn't gain much. You also need to have the ball where it can be passed to those two people when one of the is left unguarded. Geez, more planning!

Zones are most vulnerable on the baseline but you can't be passing the ball from out on the perimeter through the entire zone. Ergo, you need to get the ball into the middle so it's a short, quick pass when someone does get open.

I was kind of surprised that Bob Young came up with the value Zarko could have against the zone... assuming he was thinking of Z being the missing middle man. That may be a rash assumption...
 

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Stupid zone

is killing the Magic.

T-Mac is so frustrated he's lost his enthusiasm. My team hasn't been fun to watch so far this year.

:mad:
 

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Yeah you actually shouldn't move around against a zone. The point is to try and get it into the middle. The only time u move against azone is to set a pick to change positions or setting screens to get someone open in a certain position. Cut and backdoors don't work very well though unless someone on the weakest is left WIDE open.
 

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