Suns @ Bucks 11-23-18

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Unless the need for change is painfully obvious, in which event this us just being way too slow to adjust.

It can't be painfully obvious after just a few games. Players simply have bad stretches and you need time to determine if it is a bad stretch by some players or if it is the lineup itself. To make that determination you need to see all sorts of different lineups multiple times and then methodically change them around until you find lineups that work.

 

[1Sun]

It can't be painfully obvious after just a few games. Players simply have bad stretches and you need time to determine if it is a bad stretch by some players or if it is the lineup itself. To make that determination you need to see all sorts of different lineups multiple times and then methodically change them around until you find lineups that work.

Well, Canaan has been this bad his entire career. And Ariza's lack of effort wasn't going to be resolved by testing it with different starting line-ups. And that still doesn't address the fact that Igor finally found a starting line-up that allowed us to be competitive, only to abandon it immediately.

 

[BC867]

Despite improvement I’m losing faith in Igor because of what seem to be obvious coaching flaws. Team seems to be improving in spite of Igor.

That's because improving from piss-poor (20-point losses) is still not good.

 

[BC867]

Igor seems to have a pre-determined substitution pattern for every game, and then he sticks with it regardless of what is happening in the game. John McLeod used to do this. So, if Igor is a good coach, but this is what he is doing, the question would be why?

Perhaps, OCD? Perhaps, insecurity? Personality traits play just as much a role in leadership as intelligence. Sometimes, more.

There is room between "a place for everything and everything in its place" and "every day is a new beginning".

I think Igor had been making constant mistakes because . . . . . he is afraid of making mistakes. Sarver's heavy handed "leadership" could easily induce that in the weak and inexperienced people he hires.

 

[Chaplin]

That's because improving from piss-poor (20-point losses) is still not good.

Well, going from 20-point losses to 20-point victories isn't very realistic in this world. It's too bad we can't live in your fantasy world where a snap of the fingers solves all your problems and the NBA is positionally stuck in the 80s.

 

[SirStefan32]

Well, going from 20-point losses to 20-point victories isn't very realistic in this world. It's too bad we can't live in your fantasy world where a snap of the fingers solves all your problems and the NBA is positionally stuck in the 80s.

It would be nice, wouldn't it? The worst part is that no solution is ever offered by BC. It's just complaints with not even a general idea as to what the solution may be.

 

[leclerc]

I'm just here to say:
Suns win!


JCrossover
Holmes

 

[BC867]

It would be nice, wouldn't it? The worst part is that no solution is ever offered by BC. It's just complaints with not even a general idea as to what the solution may be.

Do you think there is a significant solution as long as Sarver is in charge and hiring and firing inexperienced General Managers and Head Coaches on a regular basis and just after the start of seasons?

The Suns are led by a loser's mentality. As long as that goes on, a player here or there isn't going to make us a winning team.

Yes, Stef, I have presented that solution. Anything less than a management overhaul would be just lip service. But you've tried to make me, a fan, the scapegoat. Your posts have become too personal and repetitive.

You must really be obsessed, bringing my name up in response to a Chaplin post. Fire away if you must! But you thinking that I am the solution to the Suns continuous problems is a fantasy.

I am not aware of ever having offended you. To the contrary, you were once my favorite poster after AzStevenCal. Do you care to specifically respond to that? What put a bug up your butt, repeatedly expecting me to have the solutions more than a full-time General Manager (if the Suns have one)?

 

[SirStefan32]

Do you think there is a significant solution as long as Sarver is in charge and hiring and firing inexperienced General Managers and Head Coaches on a regular basis and just after the start of seasons?

The Suns are led by a loser's mentality. As long as that goes on, a player here or there isn't going to make us a winning team.

Yes, Stef, I have presented that solution. Anything less than a management overhaul would be just lip service. But you've tried to make me, a fan, the scapegoat. Your posts have become too personal and repetitive.

You must really be obsessed, bringing my name up in response to a Chaplin post. Fire away if you must! But you thinking that I am the solution to the Suns continuous problems is a fantasy.

I am not aware of ever having offended you. To the contrary, you were once my favorite poster after AzStevenCal. Do you care to specifically respond to that? What put a bug up your butt, repeatedly expecting me to have the solutions more than a full-time General Manager (if the Suns have one)?

Because you keep saying the same thing over and over again without offering a solution. Ownership is not going to change. No matter how many times you say it, it will not happen. Teams don't get built overnight. They got their Center, they are set at 2 and 3 now. There aren't any available PGs and PFs right now. They have looked much better the last few games. One step at a time, BC. We all want a Steve Bash and Charles Barkley at 1 and 4, but there aren't any available. Enjoy watching the team develop and add new pieces soon.

 

[Western Font]

Sarver isn’t going to sell the club to appease his critics. And selling is as likely to include out-of-town interests as it is the white knight we all want.

 

[Hoop Head]

Because you keep saying the same thing over and over again without offering a solution. Ownership is not going to change. No matter how many times you say it, it will not happen. Teams don't get built overnight. They got their Center, they are set at 2 and 3 now. There aren't any available PGs and PFs right now. They have looked much better the last few games. One step at a time, BC. We all want a Steve Nash and Charles Barkley at 1 and 4, but there aren't any available. Enjoy watching the team develop and add new pieces soon.

I didn't even realize we were lacking talent at spots where we had MVP's in the past. That does make it a little more depressing. I think not having a PG is more of an issue for fans to deal with since the Suns have been so lucky to have an All-Star PG for the last 25-30 years or so. KJ, Kidd, Marbury, Nash, Dragic, and Bledsoe to Canaan. I know Bledsoe and Dragic weren't All-Stars here but Dragic was All-NBA and deserved an All-Star nod and Bledsoe put up All-Star numbers in a historically crowded PG filled Western Conference. It hurts going from All-Stars to G-Leaguers. That's a far drop.

 

[SirStefan32]

I didn't even realize we were lacking talent at spots where we had MVP's in the past. That does make it a little more depressing. I think not having a PG is more of an issue for fans to deal with since the Suns have been so lucky to have an All-Star PG for the last 25-30 years or so. KJ, Kidd, Marbury, Nash, Dragic, and Bledsoe to Canaan. I know Bledsoe and Dragic weren't All-Stars here but Dragic was All-NBA and deserved an All-Star nod and Bledsoe put up All-Star numbers in a historically crowded PG filled Western Conference. It hurts going from All-Stars to G-Leaguers. That's a far drop.

Oh no doubt! I think we are ALL as frustrated as BC is. Suns just had so many holes this summer that it was impossible to build this roster into a good, balanced one. Center position is set with Ayton. I hope they extend Holmes this summer. He seems like an excellent backup. They are set at SG with Booker and Bridges now. They seem solid at SF with Bridges and Warren. I still haven't given up on Jackson. I hope he turns into a decent backup at least. Warren adding a three-point shot is huge, as that solidifies the SF position and allows him to play a small-ball 4 next to Ayton. Ariza signing was a mistake- they really should have gone after a point guard. Maybe they did and there just wasn't one available. They need a point guard, and they also need a bigger power forward (what Bender and Chriss were supposed to be).

PG situation is particularly frustrating. After having KJ, Kidd, Nash, and then even Dragic and Bledsoe, having no point guard sucks. I think the Suns did well this summer, but they need another trade deadline and/or offseason to add the basic missing pieces, and then probably another one to add some minor pieces.
PG: BIG NEED
Backup PG: I like Okobo's potential, Canaan is not a terrible backup, Crawford is an OK option)
SG: SET (Booker)
Backup SG: SET (Bridges)
SF: SET (Bridges, Warren)
Backup SF: (Bridges, Warren, Jackson)
PF: Depends- is Warren the answer here as a starter or do they need someone else?
Backup PF: See above.
C: SET (Ayton)
Backup C: SET (Holmes)

Extra PG: I think they are Ok here with Canaan, Okobo, Melton.
Extra SG/SF: Jackson might fit here.
Extra C: Probably can bring Williams back. Third-string Centers are easy to find.

Looking at the roster like that, they really need a point guard, and at least a backup PF. The rest os covered or easily obtainable.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sarver isn’t going to sell the club to appease his critics. And selling is as likely to include out-of-town interests as it is the white knight we all want.

Let's all pitch in together and buy the team! I'll throw in $500 bucks!

 

[1Sun]

Oh no doubt! I think we are ALL as frustrated as BC is. Suns just had so many holes this summer that it was impossible to build this roster into a good, balanced one. Center position is set with Ayton. I hope they extend Holmes this summer. He seems like an excellent backup. They are set at SG with Booker and Bridges now. They seem solid at SF with Bridges and Warren. I still haven't given up on Jackson. I hope he turns into a decent backup at least. Warren adding a three-point shot is huge, as that solidifies the SF position and allows him to play a small-ball 4 next to Ayton. Ariza signing was a mistake- they really should have gone after a point guard. Maybe they did and there just wasn't one available. They need a point guard, and they also need a bigger power forward (what Bender and Chriss were supposed to be).

PG situation is particularly frustrating. After having KJ, Kidd, Nash, and then even Dragic and Bledsoe, having no point guard sucks.

The even scarier part is that our current head coach was the one who pushed for the Ariza signing and is also the one who keeps gifting Isaiah Canaan playing time he doesn't deserve.

Clearly our hole at head coach is as big as the ones at point guard, power forward and on the bench.

If you consider that five years of "building" resulted in this mess, it is pretty darn obvious why McD was fired. The bigger question is why wasn't he fired a lot sooner.

 

[Errntknght]

Let's all pitch in together and buy the team! I'll throw in $500 bucks!

Nothing to it! A mere one million investors at $1000 a pop should do it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Nothing to it! A mere one million investors at $1000 a pop should do it.

Can you imagine the chaos if we, the board members here, actually owned the team!

Slin would be fighting with everyone about Bender.
Elindholm would be making sarcastic comments about nearly everything.
BC would constantly be trying to fire himself.

 

[Mainstreet]

Nothing to it! A mere one million investors at $1000 a pop should do it.

If it could be organized, I think this is doable. I'd pay a thousand dollars to save the Suns.

 

[1Sun]

If it could be organized, I think this is doable. I'd pay a thousand dollars to save the Suns.

I'd cash in my Apple stock and pay $100,000.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Can you imagine the chaos if we, the board members here, actually owned the team!

Slin would be fighting with everyone about Bender.
Elindholm would be making sarcastic comments about nearly everything.
BC would constantly be trying to fire himself.

I'm pretty sure Bender wouldn't be on the team anymore if this board owned the Suns!

 

[Hoop Head]

Can you imagine the chaos if we, the board members here, actually owned the team!

Slin would be fighting with everyone about Bender.
Elindholm would be making sarcastic comments about nearly everything.
BC would constantly be trying to fire himself.

The first two made me nod in agreement but the last one literally made me laugh out loud. I wish this was Reddit so I could give you gold. Bravo! This is probably my favorite post from this entire board.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm pretty sure Bender wouldn't be on the team anymore if this board owned the Suns!

Who is this Bender fellow?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Can you imagine the chaos if we, the board members here, actually owned the team!

Slin would be fighting with everyone about Bender.
Elindholm would be making sarcastic comments about nearly everything.
BC would constantly be trying to fire himself.

I would pay $1 more than anyone else and combined with Cheese our coalition would make us managing co-partners. Surely any of you that don’t already hate us would by end of season 3, but would be bowing down to us through our 5 year dynasty. Or we would completely wreck the team for this, and future generations. It’s a toss up.

 

[BC867]

Because you keep saying the same thing over and over again without offering a solution. Ownership is not going to change. No matter how many times you say it, it will not happen. Teams don't get built overnight. They got their Center, they are set at 2 and 3 now. There aren't any available PGs and PFs right now. They have looked much better the last few games. One step at a time, BC. We all want a Steve Bash and Charles Barkley at 1 and 4, but there aren't any available. Enjoy watching the team develop and add new pieces soon.

I agree with you, Stef. I thought you went overboard by bringing up my name in your response to a different poster. Truce! Go Suns.

 

[BC867]

Can you imagine the chaos if we, the board members here, actually owned the team!

BC would constantly be trying to fire himself.

Or hire a talented General Manager and Head Coach and let them do their jobs.

 

[Hoop Head]

I agree with you, Stef. I thought you went overboard by bringing up my name in your response to a different poster. Truce! Go Suns.

As an outside observer, I didn't see any issue and thought it was odd that you seemed to take exception to Stef mentioning you. He was replying to a post by Chap but Chap's post was replying to your post. So Stef was basically adding his 2 cents onto what Chap said in response to you. Maybe you didn't notice that, I don't think you did, but he wasn't calling you out just out of the blue or to pick on you.