Suns @ Clippers

[SirStefan32]

I don't think anyone will be taking Bledsoe off the Suns' hands if they were giving him away for free.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't think anyone will be taking Bledsoe off the Suns' hands if they were giving him away for free.

That's simply sour grapes talking. He hasn't played all that well this season so far, but to say nobody would take him is lunacy.

 

[Hoop Head]

If not them, then Tobias Harris. We need to make him an offer that Orlando won't match. Even if it means overpaying him now based on potential.

I wonder if Orlando still has interest in Bledsoe and would do a Bledsoe for Harris + fillers swap in December. Magic may not want to pay Harris after the season.

If the CBA allows, which I'm not entirely sure as it seems there have been questions about it since he signed for 5 years, and the Magic still had interest I'd ask for Oladipo + filler way before Harris. Harris is a tweener who might be able to fill the stretch 4 role but sending Bledsoe out requires less of that sort of player. Oladipo is a combo guard of sorts but is definitely more of a SG than PG, even though Orlando tried to force him into that role last year. Oladipo also would bring some of the defensive intensity that Bledsoe has. Sure he's a little undersized but it would still be an upgrade in size over Bledsoe, I believe he is 6'4 or 6'5. Playing him alongside Dragic would allow Goran to be the PG on the court with Oladipo playing off of him but also would allow the Suns to have 2 capable ball handlers who could push the fast break like Hornacek's style seems to call for.

 

[sunsfan88]

i wish the financials could work, but if the bulls want to get rid of Rose for Bledsoe...just dreaming

Our problem isn't not having a good PG.

Rose would struggle in the 2-3 PG lineup almost as much as Bledsoe and some games Dragic has.

If the CBA allows, which I'm not entirely sure as it seems there have been questions about it since he signed for 5 years, and the Magic still had interest I'd ask for Oladipo + filler way before Harris. Harris is a tweener who might be able to fill the stretch 4 role but sending Bledsoe out requires less of that sort of player. Oladipo is a combo guard of sorts but is definitely more of a SG than PG, even though Orlando tried to force him into that role last year. Oladipo also would bring some of the defensive intensity that Bledsoe has. Sure he's a little undersized but it would still be an upgrade in size over Bledsoe, I believe he is 6'4 or 6'5. Playing him alongside Dragic would allow Goran to be the PG on the court with Oladipo playing off of him but also would allow the Suns to have 2 capable ball handlers who could push the fast break like Hornacek's style seems to call for.

I'd love Oladipo but I think he's near untouchable for Orlando. I don't think they'll move him.

Harris isn't a tweener. He could play the SF with ease.

Orlando could form the best defensive backcourt in the NBA with a Bledsoe-Oladipo pairing.

 

[sunsfan88]

I don't think anyone will be taking Bledsoe off the Suns' hands if they were giving him away for free.

Not yet. I don't think Bledsoe has negative trade value yet. However if the Suns wait too long, they could have a Pelicans-Eric Gordon situation on their hands. I know all about it because I was happy with the Suns decision to Gordon that contract back then...boy how that backfired.

 

[sunsfan88]

I still don't understand, how can a player who is making $70M score ONE point in a game? ONE point.

Granted Clippers are no bad team but your highly paid players are the ones who are supposed to play the best when the competition thickens.

Its amazing, ONE freaking point in THIRTY THREE MINUTES.

Guys, when was the last time any Suns player scored one point despite playing at least 33 mins? I don't even think Hakim Warrick, Michael Beasley, Kendall Marshall, Marcus Banks or anyone in the last 10 years was that bad.

Now mind you, I know for FACT that if there even was a player who did that, that player wasn't making anywhere close to $70 MILLION dollars.

Oh well, at least Bledsoe's a stellar defender so he probably locked up the other team's PG....except CP3 went off for 32 pts and 9 assists on 10-13 shooting. Now that's the type of player you should pay big bucks to.

 

[Superbone]

And yet not one full page of threads.

Says the guy who starts the second page.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I still don't understand, how can a player who is making $70M score ONE point in a game? ONE point.

Granted Clippers are no bad team but your highly paid players are the ones who are supposed to play the best when the competition thickens.

Its amazing, ONE freaking point in THIRTY THREE MINUTES.

Guys, when was the last time any Suns player scored one point despite playing at least 33 mins? I don't even think Hakim Warrick, Michael Beasley, Kendall Marshall, Marcus Banks or anyone in the last 10 years was that bad.

Now mind you, I know for FACT that if there even was a player who did that, that player wasn't making anywhere close to $70 MILLION dollars.

Oh well, at least Bledsoe's a stellar defender so he probably locked up the other team's PG....except CP3 went off for 32 pts and 9 assists on 10-13 shooting. Now that's the type of player you should pay big bucks to.

I can't help but LOL over the fact that Bledsoe thinks he's a MAX player... Seriously, it has to rank among the very top in the Most Disconnected From Reality list in history!


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[Absolute Zero]

Len was a bright spot with 17 points and 11 boards

Bledsoe has been putting up 17 or so shots a game when he gets the minutes. I didn't see the game, something seems off as he only had 6 shots last night. 10 assists, but obviously a bad shooting night on the shots that he did get off.

IT was 4-12, but at least he got to the foul line, and put up 7 assists.

Hopefully, the rest of the road trip will go better

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

Says the guy who starts the second page.

Ha! Alittle ironic...dont ya think?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I still don't understand, how can a player who is making $70M score ONE point in a game? ONE point.

Granted Clippers are no bad team but your highly paid players are the ones who are supposed to play the best when the competition thickens.

Its amazing, ONE freaking point in THIRTY THREE MINUTES.

Guys, when was the last time any Suns player scored one point despite playing at least 33 mins? I don't even think Hakim Warrick, Michael Beasley, Kendall Marshall, Marcus Banks or anyone in the last 10 years was that bad.

Now mind you, I know for FACT that if there even was a player who did that, that player wasn't making anywhere close to $70 MILLION dollars.

Oh well, at least Bledsoe's a stellar defender so he probably locked up the other team's PG....except CP3 went off for 32 pts and 9 assists on 10-13 shooting. Now that's the type of player you should pay big bucks to.

Look up just about any great player and you'll find a goose egg or a 1,2,3 or 4 point night. I remember a game against the Nets where Nash was held scoreless and another night (another season) where he only scored 3 or 4 points against the Heat. I think he won MVP in both seasons. It happens. And the basket doesn't care about how many zeroes are on the paycheck. Ball don't care either.

Steve

 

[BC867]

That's simply sour grapes talking. He hasn't played all that well this season so far, but to say nobody would take him is lunacy.

No other team signed him when he was available during the off-season. Or, to put it another way, nobody would take him.

 

[Chaplin]

No other team signed him when he was available during the off-season. Or, to put it another way, nobody would take him.

Such bull. Nobody would take him AT THE MONEY HE WAS ASKING FOR. There's a big difference between that and taking him for free.

 

[SirStefan32]

Such bull. Nobody would take him AT THE MONEY HE WAS ASKING FOR. There's a big difference between that and taking him for free.

Well, "taking him for free" obviously refers to not giving up assets. They'd still have to pay him.

 

[sunsfan88]

Such bull. Nobody would take him AT THE MONEY HE WAS ASKING FOR. There's a big difference between that and taking him for free.

I'm pretty sure even though he said "free", he meant that whichever team that trades for him will still have to pay him.

I don't think anyone expects Bledsoe to void his contract and expects him to actually play without compensation.

 

[Chaplin]

I'm pretty sure even though he said "free", he meant that whichever team that trades for him will still have to pay him.

I don't think anyone expects Bledsoe to void his contract and expects him to actually play without compensation.

And that's not even a foregone conclusion--what with the threat that we'd match hanging over every negotiation he would have. If he was unrestricted, regardless of how he's playing now, he could have gotten the same contract from a number of teams.

 

[elindholm]

What SirStefan is really saying is that Bledsoe has negative trade value right now. It's a close call, but I don't know whether I'd agree with that. I think his trade value is probably still slightly positive, given that everyone expects the salary cap to make a big jump soon.

 

[elindholm]

And that's not even a foregone conclusion--what with the threat that we'd match hanging over every negotiation he would have. If he was unrestricted, regardless of how he's playing now, he could have gotten the same contract from a number of teams.

Maybe. The Lakers are the only team for which the reports of mutual interest had (or have) any traction. My guess is that the Suns were bidding against themselves, and ended up getting bullied by Bledsoe's agent's amateurish grandstanding to the media.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe. The Lakers are the only team for which the reports of mutual interest had (or have) any traction. My guess is that the Suns were bidding against themselves, and ended up getting bullied by Bledsoe's agent's amateurish grandstanding to the media.

There were reports about the Wolves being interested as well.

But reality is his lackluster play so far this year, injury history and huge contract make his value much lower RIGHT NOW, then it really ever has been. If his play picks up, that value will rebound, but you'd like to think if his picks up his game, that would help the team's success as well, making them hesitant to trade him at that point.

 

[SirStefan32]

What SirStefan is really saying is that Bledsoe has negative trade value right now. It's a close call, but I don't know whether I'd agree with that. I think his trade value is probably still slightly positive, given that everyone expects the salary cap to make a big jump soon.

I agree. I exaggerated a bit- it's one of my bad habits.

The main reason Bledsoe may still have value (aside from the future cap increase) is that the teams might understand that it is not Bledsoe that is a bad player, just like it's not Dragic that's a bad player. It's the fact that they are an extremely poor fit together.

That's actually what a lot of people failed (and some still fail) to understand- I am not a "Bledsoe hater" or whatever other ridiculous thing they call it- it's just that you can't play two players who need to run the show and have the ball in their hands on the same team in the same starting lineup.
Adding IT further complicates that because now there is no time for each one of the big two to run the show.

 

[Phrazbit]

Its still bull. "Nobody would take him"... when attempting to do so was a patently fruitless effort that would merely tie up their cap for waiting for the Suns to match (which given what we paid him we were obviously going to do and the entire league knew it). And even that does not dilute it far enough, because the figure of "nobody" amounts only to the teams who had enough cap space to sign him, which is a mere handful of teams.

So basically, of the few teams who had cap space "nobody" wanted to do the Suns the favor of offering Bledsoe a contract Phoenix would match.

 

[overseascardfan]

Come on now, Bledsoe had a bad scoring night, yes..no doubt. But he had 10 assists and 6 rebounds. How about we focus on the Morris twins who had 10 shots each and scored 11 points between them while continuing their MO of being terrible rebounders. Bledsoe is not a max player and he is not getting paid the max so stop hating on the guy for getting what he can...I mean PHX could have told him to pound sand and let him play for the $3.7M but they decided they wanted him long term.

PHX always has a taker in CLE s we all know LJ would love to play with Bledsoe and I'm sure they will be calling PHX pretty soon if they haven't already. This team has bigger problems that Bledose scoring 1 point this game, the rest of the team is inconsistent who have trouble with the more physical teams. The fast pace style Horny is trying to run won't work against the grinding teams that slow down the tempo. Plumlee has fallen back to Earth after a breakout year, the Morri twins are rebounding the guards, Dragic is not having the year so far like last year. The only bright spot is the bench led by IT and Green.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Come on now, Bledsoe had a bad scoring night, yes..no doubt. But he had 10 assists and 6 rebounds. How about we focus on the Morris twins who had 10 shots each and scored 11 points between them while continuing their MO of being terrible rebounders. Bledsoe is not a max player and he is not getting paid the max so stop hating on the guy for getting what he can...I mean PHX could have told him to pound sand and let him play for the $3.7M but they decided they wanted him long term.

PHX always has a taker in CLE s we all know LJ would love to play with Bledsoe and I'm sure they will be calling PHX pretty soon if they haven't already. This team has bigger problems that Bledose scoring 1 point this game, the rest of the team is inconsistent who have trouble with the more physical teams. The fast pace style Horny is trying to run won't work against the grinding teams that slow down the tempo. Plumlee has fallen back to Earth after a breakout year, the Morri twins are rebounding the guards, Dragic is not having the year so far like last year. The only bright spot is the bench led by IT and Green.

If you just go by PER, Goran is much further off his game than Eric is. Bledsoe is down 3.6 but Dragic is down 6.7. But if you just go by the eye test, it's clear to see it's not working for either player. It's almost like Jeff is deciding which player he'll try to prop up by running the offense through him. That one exceeds and the other starting guard fails.

Steve

 

[Superbone]

Ha! Alittle ironic...dont ya think?

 

[Superbone]

Look up just about any great player and you'll find a goose egg or a 1,2,3 or 4 point night. I remember a game against the Nets where Nash was held scoreless and another night (another season) where he only scored 3 or 4 points against the Heat. I think he won MVP in both seasons. It happens. And the basket doesn't care about how many zeroes are on the paycheck. Ball don't care either.

Steve

YES! MVP coming for Bledsoe! Thank you, Steve!