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Suns facing tough decisions By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist

June 27, 2006

Pick a Web site, any Web site, and you’ll find a rumor about the Suns. They’re going to trade Shawn Marion to the Chicago Bulls for Tyson Chandler and the No. 2 pick. They want to deal Leandro Barbosa. They’re interested in Seattle’s Ray Allen or Rashard Lewis. Interesting stuff.
If any of it were true.

Take it from Mike D’Antoni, and he should know: Marion isn’t going anywhere. Neither is Barbosa. The Suns are close to a championship, and the general manager isn’t going to mess up the coach by trading one of the team’s key players.

“No major pieces are going to go out, and our top six, seven, eight guys are major pieces,” D’Antoni said. “Now if San Antonio calls and offers Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili for Steve Nash, we’ll trade Steve. But they haven’t called.”

The Suns could make a deal before or during Wednesday’s NBA draft, but it’ll be a minor one. They’ll try to package their picks (Nos. 21 and 27) and move up in the first round if a player they like — say, Michigan State’s Shannon Brown — is available.

The more compelling date for Phoenix is July 1 (Saturday), the start of the free agency signing period. That’s when the Suns will be confronted with the biggest question of the offseason:

Which Thomas do they want more, Kurt or Tim?

There is one scenario in which the Suns could keep both players. If they can trade James Jones and the No. 21 pick, they’d have enough room under the salary cap to offer Tim Thomas about $4 million per season.

Would that satisfy Tim Thomas? Your guess is as good as the Suns’.

“We don’t know what Tim is going to want,” D’Antoni said. “He could blow us out of the water.”

If Tim Thomas wants more money, the Suns will have to make a choice: Are they a better team with his outside shooting and versatility or Kurt Thomas’ defense and rebounding?

Although they’re saying little publicly, it’s no secret that the Suns feel Tim Thomas better fits their system. His 3-point shooting spreads the floor and gives Nash more room to operate in the lane.

But as well as Tim Thomas played after signing with Phoenix, one has to wonder: Was he on his best behavior because it was a contract year?

Remember, Tim Thomas was considered a malingerer before coming to the Suns; the Bulls sent him home because they felt he was out of shape and had a terrible work ethic. He didn’t win many friends in Philadelphia, Milwaukee or New York, either.

Perhaps Thomas finally found the coach and scheme that best utilize his talents. But how can Phoenix be sure he won’t revert to old habits once he signs a long-term deal?

“I think we know what Tim is,” D’Antoni said. “He’s a great guy, first of all. He’s always played well in playoffs, no matter where he’s been. I think he’ll be an up-and-down guy during the season, but we’re good enough to weather that storm.”

They also wouldn’t be paying Tim Thomas superstar money, so there’s little financial risk involved.

But as much sense as Tim Thomas seems to make, here’s one vote for the Suns holding onto Kurt Thomas.

Phoenix will have enough scorers on the floor with Amaré Stoudemire coming back. What it will need — particularly in the postseason — is defense, rebounding and toughness.

All Kurt Thomas specialties.

It was just a year ago — after being eliminated by San Antonio in the Western Conference finals — that the Suns said they needed to be bigger and sturdier. So they acquired Kurt Thomas and Raja Bell.

Now, because Tim Thomas gave the Suns a few good months, Kurt Thomas is expendable?

Whatever happened to the idea that Kurt Thomas’ talents would perfectly complement Stoudemire’s? Or that his rough edges are necessary come the playoffs?

The Suns do have payroll issues to consider. They want to sign Barbosa and Boris Diaw to long-term deals, and moving the $15.4 million Kurt Thomas is owed over the next two years would help them avoid the luxury tax. Then, too, there’s the matter of where Boris Diaw will play if Kurt Thomas is the starting center. And if Diaw starts, how can Phoenix justify paying Kurt Thomas $15 million to be a backup? Delicate issues.

But championship seasons don’t come around often — if ever — and Phoenix is about to have its best opportunity since 1993. Do you feel comfortable trading Kurt Thomas?

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=68511
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Wow D'Antoni wants to trade Nash?

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Amare
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James Jones

T Thomas?

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He said that he would trade the MVP, if we received more than the MVP in return.

A sign of a good GM.
 

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I think moving Kurt Thomas will be a mistake. We need his toughness. We were pretty much a .500 club after Kurt went down last season. It really hurt us in rebounding and post-up defense. With Amare, we can get some of that rebounding defeciencies ratified but it will not be enough. As much as I liked TT and would like to keep him, we need KT's defense more than TT's offense, IMHO.
 

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Hard choices indeed. I'd be inclined to keep Kurt - TT2 will get a good offer somewhere.
 

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DeAnna said:
Hard choices indeed. I'd be inclined to keep Kurt - TT2 will get a good offer somewhere.

I think its either TT or T2.
 

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az1965 said:
I think moving Kurt Thomas will be a mistake. We need his toughness. We were pretty much a .500 club after Kurt went down last season. It really hurt us in rebounding and post-up defense. With Amare, we can get some of that rebounding defeciencies ratified but it will not be enough. As much as I liked TT and would like to keep him, we need KT's defense more than TT's offense, IMHO.

also pretty much a team that went to the WCF without him.
 

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Say Amare's not 100% and KT is traded. That leaves Diaw and TT guarding the bigs out west, which in all likelihood means the Suns not winning the West.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Say Amare's not 100% and KT is traded. That leaves Diaw and TT guarding the bigs out west, which in all likelihood means the Suns not winning the West.
So if Amare's not 100%, who's he going to guard? Point guards?
 

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F-Dog said:
So if Amare's not 100%, who's he going to guard? Point guards?
Amare is a poor defender even when he is 100% and can log major minutes. If he can't go all out next year and Diaw, Marion, and TT are left guarding post players for a lot of the game then the Suns will never get by the Spurs, not to mention many other temas with a legit power player. The Suns need at least one big body and Burke and Grant do not count.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Amare is a poor defender even when he is 100% and can log major minutes.
How is this relevant where KT's minutes are concerned? Are the Suns planning to play KT against the Spurs and leave Amare on the bench?
 

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Well i think it's obvious Kurt is the better defender and rebounder. Considering that is 2 of the Suns most glaring short cummings, I would prefer to see Kurt stay. I am all for trading James Jones and the 21 pick so we can sign Tim Thomas and keep Kurt.

I think you can easily find a replacement for James Jones with a combination of a free agent or through the draft.

Also Amare is not a poor defender. He is a good defender. When he matches up against power forwards he almost always outplays the the other forward. However, how often did Amare get matched up against a center instead.

Having said that, we need to see how good this team can be on defense with Amare covering PF, Thomas cover Centers and Marion cover other Small Fowards.

The good news is the Marion haters can give their GM hats a rest since he is not going anywhere.
 
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F-Dog said:
How is this relevant where KT's minutes are concerned? Are the Suns planning to play KT against the Spurs and leave Amare on the bench?
You're not seeing my point. It's if that if Amare is not 100% and KT is elsewhere that essentially leaves the Suns as they were this year which is not a championship caliber team. They probably wouldn't get past the Mavs again and they'd almost assuredly lose to the Spurs. Even without Amare if the Suns had a healthy KT they had a very good shot at winning it all this year because they had someone who cuold guard interior players which is vital in the Western Conference.

And yes, KT would log major minutes in a Spurs series at the expense of Marion or Diaw if Amare is healthy. As of right now, he's the only player on the roster that can somewhat effectively guard post players.

People saying Amare is a good defender must have a really short memory. He's good at coming from the weak side and blocking shots, but opposing big men always get terrific position against him and his man defense leaves a lot to be desired. Hell, D'Antoni has said as much in repeated statements involving Amare over the past couple years about not only his defense but also his rebounding.
 

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DeAnna said:
no, no, no silly...it's TT2 or KT40 or AS32 or RB19 or 3D, etc, etc, etc.

If thats the rule we need to keep Grant next year.
BG55 sounds the coolest of the lot.
 

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Treesquid said:
also pretty much a team that went to the WCF without him.
Also a team that was taken to seven games in both rounds by much inferior teams due to huge rebounding differential for a good part and were completely spent by WCF.
 

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az1965 said:
I think moving Kurt Thomas will be a mistake. We need his toughness. We were pretty much a .500 club after Kurt went down last season. It really hurt us in rebounding and post-up defense. With Amare, we can get some of that rebounding defeciencies ratified but it will not be enough. As much as I liked TT and would like to keep him, we need KT's defense more than TT's offense, IMHO.

This always seems to be the argument for KT. I'd like to keep both KT and TT, but with Amare coming off an injury and KT as well, I rather gamble on the younger player, TT. He certainly helped the Suns in the Playoffs, especially offensively by spreading the floor with his outside/ 3 point shooting.

I guess in the back of my mind, is the question if KT's body is going to hold up for a whole season of running? I think it is something that should at least be considered.
 

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Treesquid said:
also pretty much a team that went to the WCF without him.
Also a team that got lucky in playoff seeding to avoid Dallas or Spurs until WCF.

Also a team that was lucky that Dallas knocked out Spurs otherwise, WCF could have been 4-0 the way Spurs killed us in regular season with their big men.

Also a team that needed two miraculous 3 pt shots to keep themselves alive and take both series.

We can go on and on...
 

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az1965 said:
Also a team that got lucky in playoff seeding to avoid Dallas or Spurs until WCF.

Also a team that was lucky that Dallas knocked out Spurs otherwise, WCF could have been 4-0 the way Spurs killed us in regular season with their big men.

Also a team that needed two miraculous 3 pt shots to keep themselves alive and take both series.

We can go on and on...

I know at least one player that made at least one of those miraculous three point shots and it wasn't a SG. No way the Suns get past LA without TT.

I would like to think how far the Suns would have made it with Amare and TT. I think all the way. Also, I think the Suns would have made it all the way with KT and Amare as well.

The difference for me, is that KT is older and may wear down by the playoffs or suffer another injury. I think age and the Suns running style become a factor for KT.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Even without Amare if the Suns had a healthy KT they had a very good shot at winning it all this year because they had someone who cuold guard interior players which is vital in the Western Conference.

Except against Dallas, of course.

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And yes, KT would log major minutes in a Spurs series at the expense of Marion or Diaw if Amare is healthy. As of right now, he's the only player on the roster that can somewhat effectively guard post players.

If KT's logging major minutes, who's Amare going to guard? The Spurs got rid of Nesterovic, they're probably getting rid of Nazr Mohammad. Their offseason is going to be all about matching up with the Mavericks.
 

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F-Dog said:
Except against Dallas, of course..
You really want to build your team around the prospect of facing one team? That's what got the Mavericks in trouble as they tried so hard and built their team around beating the Spurs that they ended up losing to the Suns. Same thing would have happened this year if Amare was healthy.

If KT's logging major minutes, who's Amare going to guard?
Robert Horry with KT on Duncan.

The Spurs are probably going to get someone who can guard quick 1's. I doubt they try and match up with a team that hasn't won a championship and will in all likelihood probably be the 3rd or 4th most talented team in the West once Jet Terry leaves
 

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F-Dog Their offseason is going to be all about matching up with the Mavericks.[/QUOTE said:
huh? If that's what we're doing than we can once again (especially when the playoff seeding format is changed, which it will be next season) get past the Mavs and lose to the Spurs in the Conference Finals or lose to the Pistons in the Finals.

The NBA champion needs to be able to match up with EVERYONE. Thta's how the Spurs were able to beat such different teams two years ago (Suns and Pistons), it's how the Mavs were able to get the Finals this year beating two VERY different clubs in the Suns and Miami was able to win the title this year beating the Pistons and Mavs.

This offseason is about matching up with the Mavericks? The team who struggled against us with 2.5 starters out of the rotation? I don't think so. Creating an entire plan revolving around ONE team, when you haven't shown the ability to beat the other heavy weight contenders is pretty foolish if you ask me.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
You really want to build your team around the prospect of facing one team?
Maybe I should be the one asking this. KT is going on 34 IIRC, and he couldn't get minutes in the Mavs series this year, even with Amare in street clothes.

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Robert Horry with KT on Duncan.
There's a good chance Horry is done, too. :shrug:
 

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huh? If that's what we're doing than we can once again (especially when the playoff seeding format is changed, which it will be next season) get past the Mavs and lose to the Spurs in the Conference Finals or lose to the Pistons in the Finals.

Wrong 'they'. I was talking about the Spurs there.
 
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