Suns fans turned on Marion?

[nashman]

I don't blame Marion at all for not wanting to go to Boston at the time if thats even true! We are all just talking about rumors no one but Marion and the Suns know what really happened. It could be very simple as Boston or Phx could have just mentioned a deal and never even really a deal on the table. Its all heresay and I will not hold it against him as he has been a great player for us for many years!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't blame Marion at all for not wanting to go to Boston at the time if thats even true! We are all just talking about rumors no one but Marion and the Suns know what really happened. It could be very simple as Boston or Phx could have just mentioned a deal and never even really a deal on the table.

have you not read what Marion's actually said or are you like the ghosts in the Sixth Sense, seeing only what you want to see? Dude's been pretty clear in the last couple days about the Celtics/KG deal that he put the kabosh on it and felt like the Suns were forcing his hand.

 

[pokerface]

have you not read what Marion's actually said or are you like the ghosts in the Sixth Sense, seeing only what you want to see? Dude's been pretty clear in the last couple days about the Celtics/KG deal that he put the kabosh on it and felt like the Suns were forcing his hand.

Yeah...so?

 

[Diawsome]

I don't like the idea of trading Shawn to the team of his choice particularly because he is friends with Kobe. It's just the principle of the idea for me. However, if the Suns could get a deal they can't refuse (like unloading Banks with him), then I would consider it. Actually I believe Shawn would help Utah more than LA if Utah wanted to run more. They have the better PG to execute the offense.

If Utah wanted to run more they would just keep AK. Anybody who watched the Golden State/Utah series saw AK rise from the dead and actually play up to his potential.

 

[DeAnna]

I, for one, would be unhappy to see him go. He epitomizes the Sun's style of play. Does he not realize he would be a shell of his former self with any other team?

I think they will call his bluff.

 

[Mainstreet]

If Utah wanted to run more they would just keep AK. Anybody who watched the Golden State/Utah series saw AK rise from the dead and actually play up to his potential.

Maybe Utah should seriously entertain the idea of becoming a running team. They could be scary good.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah...so?

so nashman said we're jumping to conclusions and nothing's been actually said by Marion. I was pointing out that he was wrong. Do you have anything else to add except to try and incite a problem where there is none? Seriously, what was the point of your post? He made a statement, I corrected it. What part of the above commentary furthered the conversation in your opinion?

 

[nashman]

No one has ever said a deal was in place to get Garnett through boston cheese. Yeah people talked but their was not a deal in place that Marion nixed. He may very well have said I don't want to go to boston and definately not signing an extension there. You seeing what you want to see saying that the freakin supposed deal was all done and ready to get Garnett and Marion nixed it, that is seeing what you want to see as that has NEVER been confirmed. You act as though I am reading into things when in fact you are assuming there was a Deal to get Garnett!

 

[elindholm]

No one has ever said a deal was in place to get Garnett through boston cheese. Yeah people talked but their was not a deal in place that Marion nixed. He may very well have said I don't want to go to boston and definately not signing an extension there. You seeing what you want to see saying that the freakin supposed deal was all done and ready to get Garnett and Marion nixed it, that is seeing what you want to see as that has NEVER been confirmed.

"Regardless of everything that went on with the extension, I'm tired of hearing my name in trade rumors," Marion said. "It's time for me to move on. I felt like they tried to force my hand to Boston with the (Kevin) Garnett stuff."

How much more confirmation do you need? It doesn't get much clearer than that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No one has ever said a deal was in place to get Garnett through boston cheese. Yeah people talked but their was not a deal in place that Marion nixed. He may very well have said I don't want to go to boston and definately not signing an extension there. You seeing what you want to see saying that the freakin supposed deal was all done and ready to get Garnett and Marion nixed it, that is seeing what you want to see as that has NEVER been confirmed. You act as though I am reading into things when in fact you are assuming there was a Deal to get Garnett!

he mentioned the Garnett thing right in conjunction with going to Boston and forcing his hand - I'm not sure what more you need to make a conclusion that he put the kabosh on that deal. You're seeing what you want to see.

 

[Cheesebeef]

"Regardless of everything that went on with the extension, I'm tired of hearing my name in trade rumors," Marion said. "It's time for me to move on. I felt like they tried to force my hand to Boston with the (Kevin) Garnett stuff."

How much more confirmation do you need?

Apparently, he needs to see Shawn say, "I killed the KG deal." MAYBE then, he'd see what everyone else who isn't blinded by Marion-colored glasses can see.

 

[nashman]

Once again you see what you want to see! NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THEIR WAS A DEAL IN PLACE TO GET GARNETT, YOU JUST ASSUME THAT! The deal could have been to boston for some other players if their was a deal even ON THE TABLE, NOT TALKS OF A DEAL, AN ACTUAL DEAL!! GET IT? Never mind I am done with this thread, you see what you want to see as well as anyone else Cheese!!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Once again you see what you want to see! NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THEIR WAS A DEAL IN PLACE TO GET GARNETT, YOU JUST ASSUME THAT! The deal could have been to boston for some other players if their was a deal even ON THE TABLE, NOT TALKS OF A DEAL, AN ACTUAL DEAL!! GET IT? Never mind I am done with this thread, you see what you want to see as well as anyone else Cheese!!!

it is beyond me what you are missing here:

"I felt like they tried to force my hand to Boston with the (Kevin) Garnett stuff."

What do you think the above says.

 

[nowagimp]

Once again you see what you want to see! NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THEIR WAS A DEAL IN PLACE TO GET GARNETT, YOU JUST ASSUME THAT! The deal could have been to boston for some other players if their was a deal even ON THE TABLE, NOT TALKS OF A DEAL, AN ACTUAL DEAL!! GET IT? Never mind I am done with this thread, you see what you want to see as well as anyone else Cheese!!!

Cmon Nashman you really dont believe that there was never a proposal, marion says HE knew about it. Frankly, athletes who get paid that much will not get much backing from fans when they complain. We all wish we had it so good.

 

[nashman]

A proposed trade and a Deal on the table are two different things! You have no, NONE, proof that there was a deal on the table to bring Garnett here as much as you like to think so. Your the one reading into a comment out of Marion's mouth, like he knew exactly who and what the Suns were talking about.

 

[SirStefan32]

Once again you see what you want to see! NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THEIR WAS A DEAL IN PLACE TO GET GARNETT,

SHAWN said it himself.

 

[nashman]

No shawn said I felt they were trying to force my hand to boston with the garnett stuff. You assume Shawn knows what deal or deals the Suns FO was working on and the details of those deals. I am not saying their may have been talks but people act like their was a deal on the table to bring Garnett here, and thats simply assumption. Of course they explored the possibility, but people here assume we had Garnett and Shawn made us lose him. We NEVER had him, its just fan speculation!

 

[elindholm]

No shawn said I felt they were trying to force my hand to boston with the garnett stuff. You assume Shawn knows what deal or deals the Suns FO was working on and the details of those deals. I am not saying their may have been talks but people act like their was a deal on the table to bring Garnett here, and thats simply assumption. Of course they explored the possibility, but people here assume we had Garnett and Shawn made us lose him. We NEVER had him, its just fan speculation!

Oh for God's sake. Why would Boston be given permission to talk to Marion about an extension if the deal wasn't basically in place? Teams don't go that far into a negotiation unless everyone is pretty high on making it happen.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No shawn said I felt they were trying to force my hand to boston with the garnett stuff. You assume Shawn knows what deal or deals the Suns FO was working on and the details of those deals. I am not saying their may have been talks but people act like their was a deal on the table to bring Garnett here, and thats simply assumption.

don't you think if Shawn was involved in those talks... ah forget it. this is completely hopeless.

 

[pokerface]

so nashman said we're jumping to conclusions and nothing's been actually said by Marion. I was pointing out that he was wrong. Do you have anything else to add except to try and incite a problem where there is none? Seriously, what was the point of your post? He made a statement, I corrected it. What part of the above commentary furthered the conversation in your opinion?

So Marion nixed the Celtic trade...so what. KG was turing it down too at first.

 

[Cheesebeef]

So Marion nixed the Celtic trade...so what.

so, I was just correcting him on his facts. not sure what you're not getting about that.

 

[BC867]

A proposed trade and a Deal on the table are two different things! You have no, NONE, proof that there was a deal on the table to bring Garnett here as much as you like to think so. Your the one reading into a comment out of Marion's mouth, like he knew exactly who and what the Suns were talking about.

What a frustrating thread this is to read. All of the "prove it's" as a defense of Shawn Marion costing us a legitimate shot at our first-ever championship don't lessen the pain.

Pain as a long-time Suns fan for what could have been -- a front line of Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire and Grant Hill.

Pain as an NBA fan for neutralizing the potential of the Nash-Amare foundation as a championship team.

I've talked to Shawn Marion (or tried to) stopping for lunch at Yoshi's when I did the same. If he doubled his IQ, he might qualify as an adolescent. Nothing personal, but his immaturity has stuck a dagger into the Suns and many of its fans.

 

[azirish]

I'm sure any of us know exactly what happened with the KG deal, but at least one issue was that Boston would only take Marion if he would agree to a "reasonable" extension. Marion asked for 3 years for $60 million beyond the huge money for the last two years on his contract. So technically, it was the Celtics that said "no" and not Marion vetoing the deal.

What is not clear is whether there was ever any deal from the Wolves that did not include Amare even in Marion had been agreeable. There are lots of strong opinions on this, but I've never seen anything confirming that a deal was set in stone of Marion agreed to a reasonable extension. IMHO, the Wolves wanted Jefferson a lot more than extra draft picks.