Suns free agency recap and going forward

[JCSunsfan]

I like Young, but I can't figure out what the Suns can trade to get him. Nobody is taking Saric and Smith, even for free. Suns have no picks left to trade either.

Saric would be a throw in for salary match. They can get a disabled player exception and his salary is probably covered by insurance.
So then it's picks and a player. Stix or maybe Shamet.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Saric would be a throw in for salary match. They can get a disabled player exception and his salary is probably covered by insurance.
So then it's picks and a player. Stix or maybe Shamet.

I don't think it works that way for the team he's traded to.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't think it works that way for the team he's traded to.

Maybe he means the new team would apply for and get the exception?

 

[Mainstreet]

I've read that Disabled Player Exceptions are rarely used because they are complicated but here is how they work:

CBA Encyclopedia: Disabled Player Exception

The DPE stands out among the CBA exceptions because teams have to apply for it, leading to one of the more interesting processes with an NBA-appointed doctor to make the ruling.

basketball.realgm.com

 

[AzStevenCal]

Maybe he means the new team would apply for and get the exception?

Yeah that's the point I was responding to. I could be wrong but my understanding has always been that the exception is only available to the team that has his rights when the injury is discovered.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yeah that's the point I was responding to. I could be wrong but my understanding has always been that the exception is only available to the team that has his rights when the injury is discovered.

I vaguely remember something like that being true.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I vaguely remember something like that being true.

I didn't see it at the time I responded but Mainstreet posted an analysis from RealGM of the Disabled Players Exception prior to my comment. After reading it, I'm more confused than I was before. I still believe the next team can't use the TPE on a player they knew was injured prior to the trade but I'm not quite as sure as I had been.

 

[Mainstreet]

I didn't see it at the time I responded but Mainstreet posted an analysis from RealGM of the Disabled Players Exception prior to my comment. After reading it, I'm more confused than I was before. I still believe the next team can't use the TPE on a player they knew was injured prior to the trade but I'm not quite as sure as I had been.

This is probably why it's rarely used... because it's complicated. I was mostly interested if it would allow the Suns to add a player beyond the 15 man roster. It doesn't and of course the exceptions can't be combined.

The Suns have the remainder of the MLE, the BAE and minimum contracts to fill the roster so they should be fine.

 

[Mainstreet]

The last official signing I can remember is Abdel Nader along with Chris Paul and Cam Payne. Landry Shamet was a trade and is also official.

Maybe I don't like loose ends but I would still like to know when players are signed officially.

There is nothing official that I'm aware of on JaVale McGee, Frank Kaminsky or Elfrid Payton.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah, Steve is right. You can’t get an injury exemption for a player you knew was hurt when you got him.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Frank Kaminsky signing is official.

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[JCSunsfan]

Yeah, Steve is right. You can’t get an injury exemption for a player you knew was hurt when you got him.

So does that mean that if you get an injury exemption for a player, you cannot trade him? I know it's a tangential question.

 

[AzStevenCal]

So does that mean that if you get an injury exemption for a player, you cannot trade him? I know it's a tangential question.

If you mean, can they use the DPE and also trade him or if they can trade him along with the DPE, I'm pretty sure the answer is NO on both of them.

The DPE really doesn't have a lot of value because of all it's restrictions and limitations, that's why it's often not applied for and even once received, the team lets it lapse more often than not.

 

[JerkFace]

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[Mainstreet]

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Awesome. Only JaVale McGee to go!

The Suns will still have one roster spot open with the addition of Payton and McGee.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Elfrid Payton and JaVale McGee signings have yet to be made OFFICIAL so we should receive confirmation from the Suns when it happens.

There shouldn't be any complications if the players have passed their physicals.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Elfrid Payton signing was the only one I was unsure would happen.

Once JaVale McGee and Elfrid Payton officially sign the Suns roster will have 14 players.

It will look like this:


PG: Chris Paul, Cam Payne, Elfrid Payton

SG: Devin Booker, Landry Shamet

SF: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Abdel Nader

PF: Jae Crowder, Jalen Smith, Dario Saric (out)

C: Deandre Ayton, JaVale McGee, Frank Kaminsky


The Suns will still have the partial MLE and BAE to use which will allow them to add a 15th player later on or possibly make another move later in the season.

 

[Folster]

The Elfrid Payton signing was the only one I was unsure would happen.

Once JaVale McGee and Elfrid Payton officially sign the Suns roster will have 14 players.

It will look like this this:


PG: Chris Paul, Cam Payne, Elfrid Payton

SG: Devin Booker, Landry Shamet

SF: Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Abdel Nader

PF: Jae Crowder, Jalen Smith, Dario Saric (out)

C: Deandre Ayton, JaVale McGee, Frank Kaminsky


The Suns will still have the partial MLE and BAE to use which will allow them to add a 15th player later on or possibly make another move later in the season.

It's clear the Suns are banking on improvement coming internally from the continued development of Ayton, Bridges, Johnson and hopefully Smith rather than any external additions. They probably think continuity adds to that development of our young core.

I like the additions of McGee and Shamet, but our offseason moves in totality lack a sense of urgency to maximize our current window with CP3 in my opinion.

Perhaps management's measured moves will be vindicated or an all-in move could come later after some assessment. We'll just have to see.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's clear the Suns are banking on improvement coming internally from the continued development of Ayton, Bridges, Johnson and hopefully Smith rather than any external additions. They probably think continuity adds to that development of our young core.

I like the additions of McGee and Shamet, but our offseason moves in totality lack a sense of urgency to maximize our current window with CP3 in my opinion.

Perhaps management's measured moves will be vindicated or an all-in move could come later after some assessment. We'll just have to see.

I think the Suns will add a power forward when the right deal and player comes along. As the money dries up that partial MLE and BAE will look bigger and bigger.

Anyway, it's not like the Suns are looking for a starter with the 15th spot. They are looking for a role player to back up Crowder. I don't think Stix is near ready to be that player.

James Jones is playing those exceptions like a violin this season. He has learned.

 

[Hoop Head]

I know we had some luck to make our run in the playoffs but we still finished with the 2nd best record in the league. I can totally understand James Jones goals for this offseason as far as adding some depth and hope for continued improvement from our young core.

The Suns didn't really need to make moves to get better than most teams, we were the #2 team in the league, other teams need to make moves to get past us. I think we got better than Utah, who is the only team that had a better record than us, and if we had McGee or Saric then we're likely the defending champs.

We're better at C, SF, SG, and PG compared to last season. If Stix gives us anything then we're better at PF as well. I don't believe we got worse at any position.

 

[Yuma]

I like the Payton signing. That gives us another guy that drives to the basket.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Good backup pg in poffs if cp3 payne miss few gms

Didn't peyton play here recently?

 

[Yuma]

Smith tanking on threes tonight....

 

[Vacard]

I know we had some luck to make our run in the playoffs but we still finished with the 2nd best record in the league. I can totally understand James Jones goals for this offseason as far as adding some depth and hope for continued improvement from our young core.

The Suns didn't really need to make moves to get better than most teams, we were the #2 team in the league, other teams need to make moves to get past us. I think we got better than Utah, who is the only team that had a better record than us, and if we had McGee or Saric then we're likely the defending champs.

We're better at C, SF, SG, and PG compared to last season. If Stix gives us anything then we're better at PF as well. I don't believe we got worse at any position.

SF? Does Nader provide the defense and intensity that Craig had?

 

[Mainstreet]

SF? Does Nader provide the defense and intensity that Craig had?

It's not really between Torrey Craig and Abdel Nader. Craig played a lot of power forward and small ball center for the Suns. They only acquired him in March. I'd look who the Suns find to back up Crowder for a more fair assessment.