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By Scott Bordow, Tribune Columnist

The question has been around forever. So has the answer.
Reporter: Who would you rather face in the playoffs?
Athlete: It doesn't matter.

Sure it does.

If the Suns finish the season with the best record in the Western Conference they'll likely play the Memphis Grizzlies in the first round of the playoffs.

Memphis has played .500 basketball the last 10 games and, because of a brutal schedule, could limp into the postseason with six straight losses.

But if Phoenix winds up with the conference's second-best record, it likely will face either the Denver Nuggets, who are 29-6 since George Karl took over as coach, or the improving Houston Rockets, who handled Phoenix at America West Arena last Saturday.

It's a clear-cut decision — to everyone except the players inside Phoenix's locker room, it seems.

The Suns beat the New Orleans Hornets, 99-85, Tuesday, but their sense of urgency called in sick.

The Hornets, who not-so-proudly own the NBA's second-worst record (18-59), led by four points early in the fourth quarter until Phoenix snapped to and took care of business.

It was an uninspired, uninterested performance by the Suns, and it continued a trend that began four games ago at Golden State.

“We're not playing well right now in terms of our energy and focus,” said center Stephen Hunter. “We've got to turn it up.”

The Suns' malaise is, in some ways, understandable. They've already accomplished far more than anyone expected this season. The Pacific Division title was theirs on March 30, and they've been looking forward to the postseason so long these past couple of weeks have seemed like an interminable lounge act.

It's also difficult for a young team to summon the energy to play dregs like New Orleans and the Los Angeles Lakers. “I can usually tell their focus by how many guys ask me the play I just drew up, and we have a lot of that right now,” said coach Mike D'Antoni. “It's a lack of concentration.”

The Suns have to be careful. Sometimes, the light doesn't go on when it's been off for so long. If they wait for the playoffs to bring their “A” game they might discover they left it behind.

“I'll be very surprised if they don't start ramping it up soon,” D'Antoni said.
Soon isn't good enough. Phoenix is one game ahead of San Antonio for the best record in the Western Conference, and the Spurs aren't going away despite the prolonged absence of Tim Duncan (ankle).

Another hiccup — say a loss to the Los Angeles Clippers on Friday — and the Suns could find themselves with an unenviable matchup against Denver or Houston.

D'Antoni knows what's at stake. The trick is convincing his players.

“It'd be nice to get homecourt advantage,” D'Antoni said. “These players want it, but I don't know how bad they want it.”

Picking on a team that's won 59 games might seem unreasonable, but expectations have changed for the Suns. Losing in the first round would be a bitter pill to swallow. Phoenix needs to reach, at the very least, the second round of the playoffs for the season to be considered a success.

Securing the No. 1 seed in the Western Conference doesn't guarantee a long postseason run.

But falling to the No. 2 seed makes the sledding far more treacherous.


http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=39492
 

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I'm still looking to win it all, and what he didn't mention was the Spurs...as mentioned before they've only lost three games at home! We need home court advantage, if not, if I were a betting man I would bet that the Spurs will be in the finals, not us.... I'm confident we can handle our first round oponent, if we can't that we don't deserve to be the champions anyways...
 

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I just think we are in a shooting slump right now (not from the 3pt line though!). I mean Q was basically invinsible for two games and then Amare was in serious foul trouble against the Lakers. I am just glad that Jim Jackson stood up and helped us win the game.

Well, we DID win the games didn't we? I know we are not playing super well right now but they can't expect Suns to blow the teams EVERY time. I mean Spurs just lost to Jazz!! What does it say about them??
 

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jibikao said:
I know we are not playing super well right now but they can't expect Suns to blow the teams EVERY time.
That was a slip of the tongue, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

I mean Spurs just lost to Jazz!! What does it say about them??
Probably that Tim Duncan has to work his way back into game shape.
 

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yeah but the jazz are really banged up right now(aka Tanking). so they should have beat them with out duncan playing at all. that being said sloan's team is always a tough game.
 

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The #1 seed is only important if the Suns make the WC finals and play the Spurs. The Spurs are a different team away from SBC.


Denver/Houston is a tough road, but Memphis/Dallas is just as tough (if not more so). There are no gimmes in the Western Conference.
 

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F-Dog said:
The #1 seed is only important if the Suns make the WC finals and play the Spurs. The Spurs are a different team away from SBC.


Denver/Houston is a tough road, but Memphis/Dallas is just as tough (if not more so). There are no gimmes in the Western Conference.

I'd rather take Memphis/Dallas for a few reasons:

• Memphis is limping into the playoffs.
• Denver/Houston/Seattle all have pretty legitimate chances of knocking off the Spurs, particularly early, if Duncan is still finding his way.
• I can't see Nash losing a playoff series against the Mavs. There's just no way. He'll be too motivated, especially because of Cuban's stuff about Nash wearing down in the playoffs. It'd piss Nash off to much to let Cuban think he's right, and Nash would get too much joy of out beating them.
 

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fordronken said:
I'd rather take Memphis/Dallas for a few reasons:

• Memphis is limping into the playoffs.
• Denver/Houston/Seattle all have pretty legitimate chances of knocking off the Spurs, particularly early, if Duncan is still finding his way.
• I can't see Nash losing a playoff series against the Mavs. There's just no way. He'll be too motivated, especially because of Cuban's stuff about Nash wearing down in the playoffs. It'd piss Nash off to much to let Cuban think he's right, and Nash would get too much joy of out beating them.

agree with the first two - but as to the last - don't you think ALL the Mavs - especially Dirk will be just as fired up consdering everyone said they would take a step back without Nash? I think that argument cuts both ways - slanted a little in favor of Nash's motivation, but if you think it will be a one-sided motivation thinga-majig, I don't see it as quite as black and white.

That series will be the most grueling running series we've seen in years. That team is LOADED with depth, experience (Finley, Stack, Dirk and Avery leading the charge), pretty big and pretty adept at running our style of game.

It would definitely be the most entertaining series of the entire playoffs. We lead that series 2-1, right? And neither team ever played each other at full strength - either Nash being out - or various Mavs being out - correct?

Memphis used to scare me - but not anymore - that series goes 6 tops - most likely 5 - but we still got some work to do before that point - get 'er done boys!
 

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agree with the first two - but as to the last - don't you think ALL the Mavs - especially Dirk will be just as fired up consdering everyone said they would take a step back without Nash? I think that argument cuts both ways - slanted a little in favor of Nash's motivation, but if you think it will be a one-sided motivation thinga-majig, I don't see it as quite as black and white.

That series will be the most grueling running series we've seen in years. That team is LOADED with depth, experience (Finley, Stack, Dirk and Avery leading the charge), pretty big and pretty adept at running our style of game.

It would definitely be the most entertaining series of the entire playoffs. We lead that series 2-1, right? And neither team ever played each other at full strength - either Nash being out - or various Mavs being out - correct?

Memphis used to scare me - but not anymore - that series goes 6 tops - most likely 5 - but we still got some work to do before that point - get 'er done boys!

I really don't think the Mavs are very concerned with people's thoughts of "winning without Nash". People still rated them pretty high after Nash signed with Phoenix.
 

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The thing that would concern me about a Dallas series is that, so far this season, Nash has tended to be worse when he has somthing to prove. When he gets into one-on-one gamesmanship with opposing point guards, it usually takes him out of his game -- poor shot selection and more turnovers. I can easily see him getting into a personal battle with Nowitzki, and that's a game of chicken that wouldn't be in the Suns' favor.
 
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elindholm said:
I can easily see him getting into a personal battle with Nowitzki, and that's a game of chicken that wouldn't be in the Suns' favor.

agree. Dirk is the guy who scares the beejezus out of me in that potential matchup(although - that's kind of stating the obvious - he is one of th ebets players in the game).
 

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cheesebeef said:
agree. Dirk is the guy who scares the beejezus out of me in that potential matchup(although - that's kind of stating the obvious - he is one of th ebets players in the game).

On paper you are right, Dirk does scare me. But Marion has owned Dirk when he's been matched up with him. For this reason I am not as worried as I normally would be.
 

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RedStripe27 said:
On paper you are right, Dirk does scare me. But Marion has owned Dirk when he's been matched up with him. For this reason I am not as worried as I normally would be.

Marion also has a knack for completely dissapearing come playoff time and I really don't see Shawn averaging 20 points/11 boards versus Dirk's 20 and 16 as "owning" anyone.
 

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lets get a bit of perspective here, it's great that we are nit picking wins like this...here is how one national writer felt in October I would venture to guess most of you did too.


the Suns will be improved, but it is difficult to imagine them being worse than last year. Steve Nash is one of those players who really does make the others around him better, but Shawn Marion can't not shoot the ball like Dirk Nowitzki. And I am very suspicious of Amare Stoudemire right now. I don’t know if he is going to live up to the Rookie of the Year hype.
Pacific Division winds up like this:
1) L.A. LAKERS
2) SACRAMENTO
3) Phoenix
4) Golden State
5) L.A. Clippers

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I don't think anyone on this board expected the Lakers to win the division. Most people had either the Kings or the Suns.

And I am very suspicious of Amare Stoudemire right now. I don’t know if he is going to live up to the Rookie of the Year hype.

No one here would have agreed with that statement. Stoudemire was already putting up huge numbers over the second half of last season.

Yes, the Suns have surpassed even the most optimistic expectations on this board, but so what? Now we know what kind of team it is and are hoping they can keep this magical season alive.
 

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The thing that would concern me about a Dallas series is that, so far this season, Nash has tended to be worse when he has somthing to prove. When he gets into one-on-one gamesmanship with opposing point guards, it usually takes him out of his game -- poor shot selection and more turnovers. I can easily see him getting into a personal battle with Nowitzki, and that's a game of chicken that wouldn't be in the Suns' favor.


Furthermore I think this is an extreme stretch of statistics. It sounds good but really holds no water. Sorry.
 

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Furthermore I think this is an extreme stretch of statistics. It sounds good but really holds no water. Sorry.

I appreciate your concern.

Actually it's not statistics, since I don't have any numbers to back it up. It's my impression from having watched a lot of games this year. If you watched the games and didn't think the same thing, that's okay. Just don't expect me to apologize about it.
 

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RedStripe27 said:
On paper you are right, Dirk does scare me. But Marion has owned Dirk when he's been matched up with him. For this reason I am not as worried as I normally would be.

I have a news for you. Dirk has always performed very well in the playoffs. Nash may slip a little especially his shooting %.

Dirk is definitely scary.
 

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elindholm said:
The thing that would concern me about a Dallas series is that, so far this season, Nash has tended to be worse when he has somthing to prove. When he gets into one-on-one gamesmanship with opposing point guards, it usually takes him out of his game -- poor shot selection and more turnovers. I can easily see him getting into a personal battle with Nowitzki, and that's a game of chicken that wouldn't be in the Suns' favor.

Good observation. I agree with you.
 

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BC867 said:
That was a slip of the tongue, wasn't it? :rolleyes:


Probably that Tim Duncan has to work his way back into game shape.

We are good enough to win games and that's all matters. :)
 

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As long as the suns play theyre type of game, every single game they play, including the playoffs, they will always be in the game, as the other teams are the one trying to outscore us.


But its all about getting "g'd up". I think the first round will bring the best out of our players, they are young and will get rejuvinated.....hopefully.
 

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