Suns have the BEST starting 5 in the league

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The Best Unit in the Second Half of the Season...


Submitted by The Professor on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:56
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  • It's not OKC's starters, although they're rolling at +19.9.
  • It's not the Bulls starters, but they've done very well when they've had both Rose and Hamilton: +14.9.
  • It's certainly not the Heat starters, struggling at -2.4.
  • It's not the Lakers starters with the addition of Sessions, although they're doing very well at +12.0.
  • It's not the Spurs starters, who are struggling more than expected without Richard Jefferson: -2.9.
  • It's not any Knicks unit, although they have found some excellent options without Amar'e: Davis-Shumpert-Fields-Carmelo-Chandler +29.0.
  • It's not the always excellent Bulls second unit (including Deng): Lucas-Korver-Deng-Gibson-Asik +21.9.
  • And it's not a unit from the suddenly hot Celtics, although the surprising combo of Rondo-Bradley-Pierce-Garnett-Bass comes in a close second: +29.1.
Ok, so obviously it's a Suns unit: Nash-Brown-Dudley-Frye-Gortat. Again, obvious right?

Hold on...Brown?? As in Shannon Brown?!? The worthless chucker who played himself completely out of Gentry's rotation for awhile? The Kobe-wannabe with all of Kobe's horrendous shot selection but none of his skill? The career backup who we're only starting out of desperation because of Hill's injury?


Yeah, that'd be him.


As I've said before, and I'll say again:


The Mike D'Antoni Lineup Rules For Ridiculously Effective Offense:
1) Crafty pick-and-roll point guard.
2) Solid pick-and-roll big.
3) Three wings that all shoot 3-pointers (at least one of which is a quick slasher).


1) Steve Nash
2) Marcin Gortat
3) Dudley, Frye, and NOT GRANT HILL!!


If you're going to play Dudley and Frye here (which you should because they've been unbelievably effective in D'Antoni's system even without Nash, and that much more effective with Nash), then that last slot must be for a quick slasher, and it really should be another 3-point shooter as well. It may seem strange, but Shannon Brown is a massive offensive upgrade over Hill in that lineup, simply because he's a quick slasher who shoots threes.


Brown has been a poor decision-maker all season, which is all the more reason why he should be starting. Huh? When you play with the Suns starters, you don't have to make decisions with the ball, because Nash makes them for you. With Brown in the starting lineup, he is much more likely to touch the ball when he has either an open three or a boulevard to the rim (and much less likely to touch the ball in any other circumstance).



With Hill injured, Nash is consistently playing with a lineup that both plays defense and follows The Mike D'Antoni Lineup Rules For Ridiculously Effective Offense. This is the first time in his career he's had that full combination around him, and they are absolutely crushing everyone. And they'll probably keep getting better and better as they learn to play together, as is the track record with Nash's units. The horrible ironic reality: Hill's injury cuts down on the Suns already emaciated depth, so the team still isn't that great; it may be too late to make the playoffs even if that unit continues to dominate; Nash might leave before this crew has a real chance to prove themselves; and whenever Hill does come back, he'll probably just slide back into his starting spot.


http://from-ashes.com/node/57
A very good analysis by a poster on a different Suns forum. Its sad but true that as good a defender as Grant is, Suns are a better team without him in the starting 5. I have always wondered why they don't try bringing Grant off the bench since that would take pressure off our garabge PGs like Price and Telfair since Hill can do some play making on his own. I hope once Hill comes back this season, he comes off the bench so we can keep Brown with Nash.

Basically his point is that Suns bench blows and that Brown should have been a starter from the beginning of the season because of his versatility. And I think if that were the case, and Grant Hill had come off the bench to ease some of the bench's struggles, we would have been a much better team imo.

Another analysis by the same guy shows why we have a better starting 5 than some of the other elite teams.

http://from-ashes.com/node/46
 
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You guys think Brown should continue to start even after Grant comes back?
 

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You guys think Brown should continue to start even after Grant comes back?

Yes. I think Grant should come off bench. Suns is a team that excels at first and then slowly lose the lead in most games. It is better to have as much fire power to start the game as possible. Grant has good defense but his offense is sometimes questionable.
 
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Hill is gonna be back on Friday according to Paul Coro and he said its likely that Hill will go back to starting.

I hope its for Dudley not Brown.
 
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Never mind.

Hill would have limited playing time in Friday night's game at Houston, a pivotal game for the Suns to make up ground on the Rockets and to split the teams' season series in case of a playoff tiebreaker. Hill's reaction to his first play Friday would determine how much he is available the next night for the trip's closing game at San Antonio.

- Paul Coro
 

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I would leave Shannon Brown in the starting lineup or at least have him playing a lot of his minutes with the starters.. Whether they were to bring Dudley or Grant Hill off the bench one thing is for certain. Either one of them will make that second unit a lot better than Josh Childress does.

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The strange thing is that elevating Brown to the starting team has helped the bench much more than it helped the starting unit. Maybe it gave them a ray of hope that they, too, could crack the starting lineup and that invigorated their play.

IMO, Grant could help the team the most by seizing and relishing the role of being our sixth man and defensive stopper. It could happen but, in the past, he has played poorly coming off the bench.
 

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Gentry is going to earn his paycheck in figuring out how to reintigrate Hill without hurting the chemistry of the 2nd unit which is absolutely killing right now.
 
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The strange thing is that elevating Brown to the starting team has helped the bench much more than it helped the starting unit. Maybe it gave them a ray of hope that they, too, could crack the starting lineup and that invigorated their play.

IMO, Grant could help the team the most by seizing and relishing the role of being our sixth man and defensive stopper. It could happen but, in the past, he has played poorly coming off the bench.
Its because Brown getting moved to the starting lineup gave Telfair more confidence. He doesn't have to defer to anyone now, that second unit is HIS unit.

With the starting lineup Brown seems to understand that he's the 3rd option behind Nash and Gortat yet Brown still produces at a very high level.

Its a win-win situation but its basically explained by Shannon Brown's ego :D
 

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Its because Brown getting moved to the starting lineup gave Telfair more confidence. He doesn't have to defer to anyone now, that second unit is HIS unit.

With the starting lineup Brown seems to understand that he's the 3rd option behind Nash and Gortat yet Brown still produces at a very high level.

Its a win-win situation but its basically explained by Shannon Brown's ego :D

I think you've got the mechanism right sunsfan... I didn't think of the effect on Telfair being so key to the whole second unit.
 

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I think you've got the mechanism right sunsfan... I didn't think of the effect on Telfair being so key to the whole second unit.
That is a good point. No backup Point Guard has been comfortable trying to be Steve Nash, since he returned, until Telfair.
 
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Telfair isn't really trying to be Steve Nash, he's just trying to score and if play makes every now and then.

Whatever though, its working.
 

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