Suns hire Frank Vogel as next head coach

[Hoop Head]

What was the time span between the Vogel and Young hirings?

We know they hired Vogel first but who did they tell first? Book or Young?

My guesses:

1) Hired Vogel, told him to pick his staff (like normal)

2) Young hears of the hiring, he knows he's assed out

3) Book hears of the hiring, talks to JJ and says something like "I thought we were going with Young"

4) Book is told Ishbia wanted defense and championship experience instead

5) Book doubles down and says something like "but me and KD wanted Young"

6) JJ proposes to Ishbia they keep Young around, but mentions it will be harder to do

7) I think JJ calls Young and I think Ishbia calls Vogel (or their agents)

8) I think both Young and Vogel had hesitations - so some type of meeting of the minds took place - on the fly

9) An agreement was reached, not sure what (if anything) extra they gave Vogel but they gave Young a lot of freakin money

10) They all agreed (JJ, Ishbia, Booker, KD, Vogel, Young) to get rid of Ayton asap

I think your GUESSES are a little out there but you've remarked a few times now about Book wanting Young as HC. Is that based on anything substantive or just a guess? I know they had a good relationship but so did Monty and Booker so I wouldn't read much into it. Just curious where that's coming from.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I said they were speculation. Instead of losing your mind wouldn’t it have been simpler to just say, “Yep.”?

Never lost my mind, you're just making up more BS lol

Nothing better to do on your Sunday? Why are you so angry Chap?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think your GUESSES are a little out there but you've remarked a few times now about Book wanting Young as HC. Is that based on anything substantive or just a guess? I know they had a good relationship but so did Monty and Booker so I wouldn't read much into it. Just curious where that's coming from.

Maybe from me, I know I've mentioned it a few times too. Actually I thought it was pretty well established but maybe it's just everybody reading between the lines of all the reports that mentioned how much Booker likes Young.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I think your GUESSES are a little out there but you've remarked a few times now about Book wanting Young as HC. Is that based on anything substantive or just a guess? I know they had a good relationship but so did Monty and Booker so I wouldn't read much into it. Just curious where that's coming from.

I've read somewhere Young was most responsible for the new offense after we got KD, and Booker thrived in the new offense

 

[BirdGangThing]

I said a post was speculating (which it was) and he replies with passive aggressive name calling. And I’M the one making it personal?

Lmao sounds like you are arguing they were speculations and not guesses? Tom Petty much??

 

[Mainstreet]

Mexican food IS better. Better than Cajun food, better than Italian food, better than sex - it's just better. Okay, I might buy an argument on the last two items.

If you're eating in a restaurant just make sure you skip or go lightly on the chips and salsa. Also, I'd order ala carte unless they have healthily prepared vegetables to replace the rice and beans. A couple of carne asada or grilled chicken tacos are filling and not too bad for you. Or better yet, make some delicious grilled tacos at home so you can control the sodium and the calories. And if you're going meatless, grilled portabello mushroom tacos can be every bit as tasty as the meaty choices.

Yes, Mexican food wins in my book as well, except for the sex.

One of my favorite things is eating a shredded beef burrito enchilada style and putting chips under the salsa and beans to soften them up. They are fantastic that way. I can only guess how bad they are for your health.

I do love good salsa with cilantro.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Mexican food IS better. Better than Cajun food, better than Italian food, better than sex - it's just better. Okay, I might buy an argument on the last two items.

If you're eating in a restaurant just make sure you skip or go lightly on the chips and salsa. Also, I'd order ala carte unless they have healthily prepared vegetables to replace the rice and beans. A couple of carne asada or grilled chicken tacos are filling and not too bad for you. Or better yet, make some delicious grilled tacos at home so you can control the sodium and the calories. And if you're going meatless, grilled portabello mushroom tacos can be every bit as tasty as the meaty choices.

Agree with everything except the meatless tacos lol that's so gross

 

[Mainstreet]

Solid hire! I loved his Indiana teams back in the day. He will take care of the defense for sure. On offense, he is obviously used to coaching stars, but I am not really sure how good he is when it comes to offense. He is better than Monty, but I really don't know just how good he is. Not a sexy hire, but a very solid one. I would like to see a great offensive assistant coach next to Vogel.

And you got one in Kevin Young.

 

[Superbone]

Oh, I see. I was talking about mentoring his replacement, as in, Young would take over in a year or two. Kind of like Cotton and Westphal.

OK. Got you. As in that was the plan. I can't see Vogel agreeing to that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Agree with everything except the meatless tacos lol that's so gross

I've had some meatless meals that I found unimpressive (sometimes even inedible) but grilled mushrooms makes this meat eater very happy - especially grilled portabellos. And I never thought I'd say that about any possible meat substitute.

 

[BirdGangThing]

I've had some meatless meals that I found unimpressive (sometimes even inedible) but grilled mushrooms makes this meat eater very happy - especially grilled portabellos. And I never thought I'd say that about any possible meat substitute.

Rock on my man, to be honest I don't eat any mushrooms unless they send me to other dimensions. And I've never eaten a meatless taco unless you count that vegan I dated back in the 90s

 

[Mainstreet]

I've had some meatless meals that I found unimpressive (sometimes even inedible) but grilled mushrooms makes this meat eater very happy - especially grilled portabellos. And I never thought I'd say that about any possible meat substitute.

I eat meat in modest proportions but I prefer pizza with lots of vegetables and no meat unless one counts cheese.

If I could have eggs, cheese and milk and it counted as being a vegetarian, I could become one without much effort.

 

[Hoop Head]

And you got one in Kevin Young.

Is Kevin Young a great offensive mind though? I have my doubts. Maybe Monty shut him out but I think his offensive acumen is overrated.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I eat meat in modest proportions but I prefer pizza with lots of vegetables and no meat unless one counts cheese.

If I could have eggs, cheese and milk and it counted as being a vegetarian, I could become one without much effort.

That does count as vegetarian. Vegan it would not.

 

[BirdGangThing]

That does count as vegetarian. Vegan it would not.

The hippie community concurs

 

[Mainstreet]

That does count as vegetarian. Vegan it would not.

Now I need to work on the rest of my family because they like meat.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Oliver Miller ate his way out of the league. I can see it happening. Especially when traveling. Those type of guys need to hire a travelling cook, and stick to a training diet.

Oliver Miller had a traveling cook but the Pig O would eat anything. And his cook was never seen again.

 

[Yuma]

I've had some meatless meals that I found unimpressive (sometimes even inedible) but grilled mushrooms makes this meat eater very happy - especially grilled portabellos. And I never thought I'd say that about any possible meat substitute.

My son had a Hawaiian themed event recently at his house and he made Hawaiian Barbecue Jackfruit. It was phenomenal. I make a Posole with Soy Curls by Butler Foods that I buy at Natural Grocers. Everyone that has eaten my posole say it's the best ever and that they really like the meat! When I tell them there's no meat, they argue with me. LOL. I make all my food without oil now. A lot of Mexican, Indian, Cajun, etc. just every stage of cooking a recipe starts by adding oil to the pan. Learning to saute with water or broth lowers the calories in a dish big time.


Calorie Density Chart

You can eat a pound of non starchy veggies for 100-150 calories. I lost 80 pounds this year eating foods from the three lowest calorie density foods on the chart and eliminating oil from my diet.

 

[Yuma]

Oliver Miller had a traveling cook but the Pig O would eat anything. And his cook was never seen again.

An Idi Amin joke? :LOL:

 

[Mainstreet]

Is Kevin Young a great offensive mind though? I have my doubts. Maybe Monty shut him out but I think his offensive acumen is overrated.

I've heard a lot of people say it but I don't know if it's true.

 

[BirdGangThing]

My son had a Hawaiian themed event recently at his house and he made Hawaiian Barbecue Jackfruit. It was phenomenal. I make a Posole with Soy Curls by Butler Foods that I buy at Natural Grocers. Everyone that has eaten my posole say it's the best ever and that they really like the meat! When I tell them there's no meat, they argue with me. LOL. I make all my food without oil now. A lot of Mexican, Indian, Cajun, etc. just every stage of cooking a recipe starts by adding oil to the pan. Learning to saute with water or broth lowers the calories in a dish big time.


Calorie Density Chart

You can eat a pound of non starchy veggies for 100-150 calories. I lost 80 pounds this year eating foods from the three lowest calorie density foods on the chart and eliminating oil from my diet.

80 pounds?! I may have to try your chart

 

[AzStevenCal]

An Idi Amin joke? :LOL:

Oliver "Hannibal Lecter" Miller says who???

 

[Superbone]

Mexican food IS better. Better than Cajun food, better than Italian food, better than sex - it's just better. Okay, I might buy an argument on the last two items.

If you're eating in a restaurant just make sure you skip or go lightly on the chips and salsa. Also, I'd order ala carte unless they have healthily prepared vegetables to replace the rice and beans. A couple of carne asada or grilled chicken tacos are filling and not too bad for you. Or better yet, make some delicious grilled tacos at home so you can control the sodium and the calories. And if you're going meatless, grilled portabello mushroom tacos can be every bit as tasty as the meaty choices.

Who ARE you? You are a monster! I love me some well prepared rice and refried beans. Have you never eaten at Comedor Guadalajara? And mushrooms instead of meat?! GROSS!!!

 

[AzStevenCal]

80 pounds?! I may have to try your chart

Good idea but I'd try it with mustard first.

 

[Yuma]

PHX Suns Podcast on Vogel hire

They bring in an LA Lakers podcaster to explain plusses and minuses of Frank Vogel. At 14:00 minutes, Anthony Irwin Lakers podcaster.

I thought it was a good background on Vogel for someone like me that didn't follow him that well.