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You heard it here first....

Suns win tonight, then lose, then win two at home, lose at Dallas and wrap it up in Phoenix in Game 6.

Dallas will let down tonight after grueling series versus the Spurs, and feeling like they've "made it" now by beating them...but forgetting about the Suns and how we whooped them last year and are going to do it again.

Suns in SIX!

(Ultra confident prediction)
 

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Suns in 4!!!!

(Super ultra confident prediction)
 

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Chandler Mike said:
You heard it here first....

Suns win tonight, then lose, then win two at home, lose at Dallas and wrap it up in Phoenix in Game 6.

Dallas will let down tonight after grueling series versus the Spurs, and feeling like they've "made it" now by beating them...but forgetting about the Suns and how we whooped them last year and are going to do it again.

Suns in SIX!

(Ultra confident prediction)

I agree with this prediction. The Suns still are decently rested, but that will begin to change as the series goes on. If we win, we win in 6.

If it goes to 7, we lose.
 

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Hoopy Dunkalot said:
Mavs in 6

1: Mavs
2: Mavs
3: Suns
4: Suns
5: Mavs
6: Mavs

I can see Mavs in 6 - but not the way you have it - I see it going more the way of last year - Big rout in game 1 by the Mavs, we steal Game 2, piss away Game 3, get the must win Game 4 and have close, agonizing losses in 5 and 6.

If it goes 7 - Nash walks off that court in Dallas with a grin ear to ear sticking it up Cuban's ass one more time and headed to the Finals.
 

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I don't think it will be Mavs in 6. The Suns are great in must-win games and that one will be at home. It'll be Mavs in 7 or Suns in 6 or 7.
 

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Nasser22 said:
I don't think it will be Mavs in 6. The Suns are great in must-win games and that one will be at home. It'll be Mavs in 7 or Suns in 6 or 7.

while it's true we've been great in must win games - it's also true that we haven't played ANYONE at the level of competition that the Mavs bring and I'm afraid after two, grueling back to back 7 games series, this team might just run out of gas against a great opponent. There's no comparison between that pathetic ass Laker team to the Mavs and the Clips don't compare much better either. We're talking about a 60 win juggernaut that just beat the defending Champs, not the one man circus show and the 2006 NBA version of the 1998 Arizona Cardinals, like we did.

But hey, I've been proven wrong multiple times this season and post-season - so let's just hope that mojo continues!
 

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cheesebeef said:
while it's true we've been great in must win games - it's also true that we haven't played ANYONE at the level of competition that the Mavs bring and I'm afraid after two, grueling back to back 7 games series, this team might just run out of gas against a great opponent. There's no comparison between that pathetic ass Laker team to the Mavs and the Clips don't compare much better either. We're talking about a 60 win juggernaut that just beat the defending Champs, not the one man circus show and the 2006 NBA version of the 1998 Arizona Cardinals, like we did.

But hey, I've been proven wrong multiple times this season and post-season - so let's just hope that mojo continues!

But don't forget, we've played better against the Mavs this season than the Clippers, so...
 

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Chaplin said:
But don't forget, we've played better against the Mavs this season than the Clippers, so...

Exactly, its all about matchups. The first 2 series for the Suns run saw teams that almost forced themselves to slow down and had good players that could beat us in the post.

The Mavs want to run and don't really have any consistent post-up players.
 

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I do not think that this series is going 7 games. If the Suns get a split out of Dallas early, they win in 6. If we lose both games 1 and 2, we lose in 6.
 

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Chaplin said:
But don't forget, we've played better against the Mavs this season than the Clippers, so...

we have? Weren't we 2-2 against both of them and I don't think we've played this Mavs team when they've been at full strength or with Harris starting have we?
 

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Absolute Zero said:
We won the last two games against them with TT

I know - but correct me if I'm wrong - but weren't they missing Josh Hioward and Devin Harris in the game in Dallas? Those are pretty crushing blows considering their both back and huge contributors (and before anyone pulls the Kurt card out - we lost to Dallas twice with him, and before the Amare card is pulled out as far as excuses for injuries, he ain't coming back so it's not part of the equation of THIS matchup - I think EVERYONE would agree that if he were healthy, we'd win this sucker in5, 6 max, but he's not, so don't bother with what ifs?).

As far as the second game - we were just beyond on fire - on nights like those, no one can beat us and I fully I expect at least one of those games this series, but to hope for 4 of them isn't very realistic.

I'm not saying we're absolutely dead in the water here... this is THE matchup we could have hoped for, I just wonder how much gas is left in the tank.
 

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Also, I believe we lost the first game against them at the beginning of the season in overtime, so they certainly didn't dominate us.

I think we all are worried about how much gas is left in the tank. Doesn't mean we have to proclaim ourselves dead in the water, does it?
 

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Interesting that I have not read of ANYONE picking the Suns in this series except Suns fans on Suns boards.

I just listened to Kobe with Dan Patrick. He picked the Mavs in 6.

I know I must be a homer and all, but I was more worried about getting past the Clippers than I am the Mavs. We really had a tougher time this year with Kaman and Brand than with Dirk. I really want to say that we have no chance in this series, so that I can sit back and enjoy every win just as gravy--and if we lose--well, we'll have Amare next year.

But as I look at the matchups--it seems to me that we've got every bit as much a chance to win this series as the Mavs do.
 
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I like that we're all positive and the matchups for us against Dallas are better than they are against San Antonio, but I have to continue to give credit for being a much more disciplined team than any of the previous 10 Dallas squads. The Suns will have to play MUCH better against Dallas than they played against either LA teams to win the series.
 

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This is a good matchup for the Suns. It will play to Dallas's strengths, but those are Phoenix's strengths too. Brand devastated the Suns, but the Mavericks have no one like that. They have a lot of versatile athletes who can create a variety of problems, just like the Suns do. I certainly wouldn't give the Suns the edge "on paper," but I think it's close.

One thing to keep in mind is that, at least in my opinion, the Suns' second-best player (Marion) is better than the Mavericks' second-best player (Terry, I guess). If it comes down to stars making plays, and Nash can play Nowitzki to an approximate draw, "Good Marion" could be the difference.

I agree with the couple of posters who say that Diaw is key to the Suns' hopes. He has to play like he did against the Lakers. In that series, he became a pretty effective pick-and-roll partner with Nash; he was too crafty for any of the Laker bigs to stop. But he wasn't tough enough for the Clippers. If the Suns can get their tempo and keep Dampier and Diop off the floor (which I think is fairly likely), Diaw should be able to carve up the inside again. But he has to be aggressive and on top of his game mentally.

I think the wild card for Dallas is Stackhouse. Historically, he really isn't that good a shooter: 41% career, 40% this season, and only 30%/28% from three-point range. But he made a lot of big shots against the Spurs, at 44% overall and 41% from deep. If he can keep that going, the Suns' scrambling defense is likely to get burned. But if he reverts back to career levels of accuracy, the Suns' gambling is likely to pay off.

The Mavericks have only two major threats from the three-point line: Nowitzki and Terry. Howard shoots them well, but only very rarely (about one attempt per game); Van Horn shoots them adequately, but figures to play a Radmanovic-like role in this series -- in other words, a small one. Terry has to be honored and he will get his looks, but if Nowitzki makes himself a three-point shooter, the Mavericks have no inside game. That's a strategic victory for the Suns, because it eliminates an advantage that Dallas really should have.

I think the keys to the series are:

1. As always, the Suns need to dictate the tempo. Dallas will thrive in a grinding game where their centers can be a factor. Dallas can play well with a small lineup too, but at least the teams will be fairly level.

2. The Suns must keep their offense diversified and unpredictable. Last year, the game plan was to get Nash on Nowitzki in a pick-and-roll switch and let Nash torch him one-on-one. That won't be enough this time. Standing around kills this team.

3. The Suns have to be competitive on the boards. This was the same as against the Clippers: When the Suns rebounded, they won, and when they didn't, they got crushed. Pretty simple formula.

4. The Maverick role players are going to have to be efficient scorers. If Nowitzki scores 40 a game and Terry 30, that's not enough. If Stackhouse and Howard can do some damage slashing to the hoop and knocking down jump shots, the Suns will have their work cut out for them.

5. The Suns must make Nowitzki work on defense. Diaw and Marion should both be able to beat him one-on-one. With Thomas it's less clear.

6. Whoever takes better care of the ball will have a big edge. So far in the playoffs, the Suns have committed only 11.1 turnovers per game, which is excellent (especially considering the overtimes!), but the Mavericks aren't much farther behind with only 12.4. The Suns have a better turnover differential than Dallas, 3.5 to 1.9.

7. Most games will be close. Both the Suns and Mavericks have a tendency to cough up big leads. Crisp execution and the avoidance of mental errors down the stretch will probably be the biggest factors of all.
 

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The suns will win this first game in Dallas.
The Mavs had a grueling game against the Spurs, and are confident they can beat the suns. The suns had an easier game and know they have to win one in Dallas and will play harder to get this win.

And I agree, the Suns in 6! :thumbup:
 

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I think this series is about Steve Nash's health/fatigue and the Phoenix Suns outside shooting. If we see the worn out Steve Nash from the middle of the Clippers series the Phoenix Suns might win 1-2 games. If he has his legs it will go at least 6.

Do we see Kurt Thomas? If so, how does he look?

My brain tells me Dallas in 6. My heart tells me Phoenix in 7. I hope my heart is right.

Joe
 

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elindholm said:
This is a good matchup for the Suns. It will play to Dallas's strengths, but those are Phoenix's strengths too. Brand devastated the Suns, but the Mavericks have no one like that. They have a lot of versatile athletes who can create a variety of problems, just like the Suns do. I certainly wouldn't give the Suns the edge "on paper," but I think it's close.

One thing to keep in mind is that, at least in my opinion, the Suns' second-best player (Marion) is better than the Mavericks' second-best player (Terry, I guess). If it comes down to stars making plays, and Nash can play Nowitzki to an approximate draw, "Good Marion" could be the difference.

I agree with the couple of posters who say that Diaw is key to the Suns' hopes. He has to play like he did against the Lakers. In that series, he became a pretty effective pick-and-roll partner with Nash; he was too crafty for any of the Laker bigs to stop. But he wasn't tough enough for the Clippers. If the Suns can get their tempo and keep Dampier and Diop off the floor (which I think is fairly likely), Diaw should be able to carve up the inside again. But he has to be aggressive and on top of his game mentally.

I think the wild card for Dallas is Stackhouse. Historically, he really isn't that good a shooter: 41% career, 40% this season, and only 30%/28% from three-point range. But he made a lot of big shots against the Spurs, at 44% overall and 41% from deep. If he can keep that going, the Suns' scrambling defense is likely to get burned. But if he reverts back to career levels of accuracy, the Suns' gambling is likely to pay off.

The Mavericks have only two major threats from the three-point line: Nowitzki and Terry. Howard shoots them well, but only very rarely (about one attempt per game); Van Horn shoots them adequately, but figures to play a Radmanovic-like role in this series -- in other words, a small one. Terry has to be honored and he will get his looks, but if Nowitzki makes himself a three-point shooter, the Mavericks have no inside game. That's a strategic victory for the Suns, because it eliminates an advantage that Dallas really should have.

I think the keys to the series are:

1. As always, the Suns need to dictate the tempo. Dallas will thrive in a grinding game where their centers can be a factor. Dallas can play well with a small lineup too, but at least the teams will be fairly level.

2. The Suns must keep their offense diversified and unpredictable. Last year, the game plan was to get Nash on Nowitzki in a pick-and-roll switch and let Nash torch him one-on-one. That won't be enough this time. Standing around kills this team.

3. The Suns have to be competitive on the boards. This was the same as against the Clippers: When the Suns rebounded, they won, and when they didn't, they got crushed. Pretty simple formula.

4. The Maverick role players are going to have to be efficient scorers. If Nowitzki scores 40 a game and Terry 30, that's not enough. If Stackhouse and Howard can do some damage slashing to the hoop and knocking down jump shots, the Suns will have their work cut out for them.

5. The Suns must make Nowitzki work on defense. Diaw and Marion should both be able to beat him one-on-one. With Thomas it's less clear.

6. Whoever takes better care of the ball will have a big edge. So far in the playoffs, the Suns have committed only 11.1 turnovers per game, which is excellent (especially considering the overtimes!), but the Mavericks aren't much farther behind with only 12.4. The Suns have a better turnover differential than Dallas, 3.5 to 1.9.

7. Most games will be close. Both the Suns and Mavericks have a tendency to cough up big leads. Crisp execution and the avoidance of mental errors down the stretch will probably be the biggest factors of all.


Wow Eric, that's a downright "glass half-full" type of post. I am proud of you. And I agree with you.
 

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Chaplin said:
I think we all are worried about how much gas is left in the tank. Doesn't mean we have to proclaim ourselves dead in the water, does it?

Oh - I'm sorry - is that what I was saying when I said, "I'm NOT saying we're absolutely dead in the water here... this is THE matchup we could have hoped for, I just wonder how much gas is left in the tank." Do you have reading comprehension problems Chap or just a boring day at work and you decided to change my words to be a jerk and pick a fight?
 

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cheesebeef said:
Oh - I'm sorry - is that what I was saying when I said, "I'm NOT saying we're absolutely dead in the water here... this is THE matchup we could have hoped for, I just wonder how much gas is left in the tank." Do you have reading comprehension problems Chap or just a boring day at work and you decided to change my words to be a jerk and pick a fight?

Whoa... pick a fight? Sorry, dude, didn't mean for you to take it that way... There was no malice or sarcasm at all intended. My apologies.

And you're right, my wording wasn't the best, obviously, but I think fatigue is not one of our most pressing problems at the moment (thanks to the performance two days ago).
 

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