Suns @ Lakers 12-2-18

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Igor may or may not be "the right guy", but I think I must be watching a different Ayton than you are. He is being used how he can be used. You think any coach is going to fix his physical/mental issues in a single training camp and in-season practices? He can't seal out a scrub center, but posters here want him on the block every play. I guess we are wanting even more turnovers?
The Suns are getting wide open looks all game, but can't shoot for crap. I guess the calls here to put players in a position to succeed means layups only? SMH. Yeah, I hate losing and all that comes with it. But I don't think the offensive scheme is the reason.

 

[BC867]

BC. I will say this one last time. This is one of the most experienced coaches we could find. He has a 17 year NBA pedigree. There might be problems people have with his coaching, but experience is not the issue. This is not Earl Watson.

The issue is that we have 4 rookies playing in our 10 man rotation. We had our top two players out.

But the biggest problem on this team is that our "experienced" players are not playing well.

JC, your examples actually support my post. I didn't single out Igor. I referred to the turnover of all of the General Managers and Head Coaches we have gone through under Sarver. All of whom were trying to learn on the job. Learning from whom? Sarver? None of whom had been an NBA General Manager or Head Coach.

And I must say that the other points you bring up are the consequences of it, specifically lack of team balance -- four rookies in the 10-man rotation; experienced players past their prime; and our two top scorers both injured (while playing positions they are not accustomed to).

If you are being the witness for the defense, your post is more like a witness for the prosecution by concurring with why the Suns have been failing.

As a fan, I cannot condone the high turnover of General Managers and Head Coaches (all of them scapegoats) and, as I posted, the domino effect it has caused to the players. I cannot see blaming it on the players.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Igor may or may not be "the right guy", but I think I must be watching a different Ayton than you are. He is being used how he can be used. You think any coach is going to fix his physical/mental issues in a single training camp and in-season practices? He can't seal out a scrub center, but posters here want him on the block every play.

BS hyperbole. No one is saying EVERY PLAY. But I'd sure as hell like to see more than ONE attempt EVERY GAME.

I guess we are wanting even more turnovers?

No... we're wanting development. That only comes with time and repetition. And yes, turnovers. But it ain't ever going to happen if that style of play is completely ignored all season.

The Suns are getting wide open looks all game, but can't shoot for crap.

No... the Suns are getting wide open looks all game BECAUSE they can't shoot for crap.

I guess the calls here to put players in a position to succeed means layups only? SMH.

SMH is right. Basing your entire offense around a bunch of terrible shooters shooting ain't putting them in a position to succeed so why not at least TRY to adjust?

Yeah, I hate losing and all that comes with it. But I don't think the offensive scheme is the reason.

in a season that is should at this point solely be about player development, you damn better believe I want at least a handful of attempts to get the ball to Ayton on the low block.

Again, the current offense isn't putting the team is a position to succeed OR trying to develop it's talent. So with plan A to just shoot from the outside ad naseum clearly not working at all, why not at least mix up the offensive game-plan... even just A LITTLE to try and develop Ayton down low?

 

[sunsfan88]

you mean... the assistant coach who literally didn't even get another interview from another team... EVER?

Who was a better option that you wanted? David Fizdale? James Borrego? Mark Jackson? Steve Clifford?

 

[taz02]

Toss Ayton the ball inside the paint and tell him to score the ball. Don't pass unless the double team comes.

Instruct him to stop worrying about fouls and block shots when the opposing players are scoring on him.

If he doesn't respond give his minutes to Holmes until he does.

 

[Western Font]

Who was a better option that you wanted? David Fizdale? James Borrego? Mark Jackson? Steve Clifford?

I was just reading the Koko hiring threads yesterday—not Fizdale in this case.

The only coaches people in general really seemed to want were Bud, Wright, and Van Gundy (with no expectations for the latter two). Most were pretty neutral on Kokoskov. Willing to look for positives in pedigree but not convinced. The Doncic connection was also a much bigger topic as it was pre-draft.

 

[1Sun]

Who was a better option that you wanted? David Fizdale? James Borrego? Mark Jackson? Steve Clifford?

Personally, I wanted Sarver to give Mike Budenholzer the money and control he wanted.

 

[95pro]

Did you guys see the post game show with TC(the original TC and tom leander), I think, where they showed Lonzo not being engaged and incorporated into the lakers?

He was dogging it, and they looked him off several times.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Toss Ayton the ball inside the paint and tell him to score the ball. Don't pass unless the double team comes.

Instruct him to stop worrying about fouls and block shots when the opposing players are scoring on him.

If he doesn't respond give his minutes to Holmes until he does.

yes. the things we've been seeing big men instructed to do since the game was invented

 

[1tinsoldier]

Did you guys see the post game show with TC(the original TC and tom leander), I think, where they showed Lonzo not being engaged and incorporated into the lakers?

He was dogging it, and they looked him off several times.

that's what i saw from him in college and, besides his dad, it was the reason i was against drafting him.

 

[Superbone]

Did you guys see the post game show with TC(the original TC and tom leander), I think, where they showed Lonzo not being engaged and incorporated into the lakers?

He was dogging it, and they looked him off several times.

Unfortunately, I don't get the postgame show. Lonzo sure looked engaged defensively last night. I'm surprised to hear this.