SUNS - MAVS aka The Season GAME THREAD!!!!

[carey]

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Imagine we would have just kept #7 and kept our capspace to resign Joe Johnson.

Just stop.

 

[binkar]

haha what a pathetic group of athletes. If this team wins over 30 next year I will be pissed because we wouldn't have blown it up enough. I want everyone gone, Nash, Shaq, J Rich, Grant (even though he has played well I just want him gone for his sake), and Barnes.

 

[Andrew]

Does anyone take this seriously? I mean it truly sucks and I am sitting here just kinda out of it...

 

[Andrew]

Or you're not the only person on earth named Andrew

I bet I am the only Andrew that's a Suns fan calling from Missouri when the DJ said...

"Andrew from Missouri..."

 

[AmareFan]

Sarver/Kerr duo sucks!

 

[TBaslim]

It was a bad decision afterall...

Imagine we would have just kept #7 and kept our capspace to resign Joe Johnson.

We would have had Barbosa, Iguodala, Johnson, Amare + X and Marion to trade away.

We likely would have had another lottery pick the next year which could have been Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Marvin Williams, Andrew Bogut, Andrew Bynum, Raymond Felton, Charlie Villanueva or whoever.
Just imagine Chris Paul or Deron Williams, Andre Iguodala, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, + X, 6th man Barbosa! And trade Marion for a starting center even if it was just Dampier.

We would have never had the problems with the luxury tax to force us into bad trades.

And for every year we continued to suck, which is unlikely since we had a tremendous core even without Nash at that time, we would have had another good draft pick to add to our team, basically what Portland did. We would still have a bright future now as nobody on our team would be older than 28.

Going for Nash and signing QRich while trading #7 was a typical Colangelo and D'Antoni move, going for the fastest chance at success, Colangelo has always done this instead of going through a healthy 2-3 seasons to rebuild a new team.

Are two MVP seasons by Nash and a lot of "what if" scenarios worth what we missed out on? Imo clearly not, we are waiting for a championship, not MVP trophies.

Signing Nash as a free agent was a brilliant move that re-energized the Suns and the entire NBA.

Do you remember that the Suns were very mediocre since the KJ/Barkley days prior to signing Nash and bringing back the run-n-gun? As in, mediocre for like 8 years!

Sure, the Nash-era didn't win a title, but it has been great fun - good for the fans, good for the league.

Should we never have traded for KJ or Barkley since they also did not win a title? The lack of logic here defies imagination.

Sheesh - with 'fans' like these, who needs haters?

It says something when the Lakers fans on this site think more of the Suns as a team, and of their players, then the so-called Suns fans.

 

[TBaslim]

With that said, what a terrible game. Ugh. Sarver/Kerr have made a mess of this franchise. They made a lot of their moves the last few years trying to win it all, but it wasn't going to happen. That's the way it is in sports.

They have some hard decisions this summer, and it's going to be a tough few years as a Suns fan. I just hope they can make some smart moves, and bring in high-character guys who work hard and play every possession.

 

[joshstmarie]

Didn't your profile say "F-Quan" right before the Super Bowl?

whats your point? clearly you missed mine.

 

[FArting]

Horrible loss

Turning my attention to the dbacks season.

 

[Covert Rain]

I didn't think the team was making the playoffs anyway. Maybe they didn't either and that explains it. However, to have a game that everybody is acknowledging it big and to play like this?

Embarrassing doesn't exactly describe it.

 

[Andrew]

I was just wondering if anyone else's ABC station was freaking out? Mine went crazy in the 2nd half, I mean like going off the air for minutes, freezing, it was like an online stream.

I had to watch most of the 2nd half online.

I am not complaining, just wondering....

Odd thing is, the channel was perfectly fine right after the game.

 

[Blackification]

I was just wondering if anyone else's ABC station was freaking out? Mine went crazy in the 2nd half, I mean like going off the air for minutes, freezing, it was like an online stream.

I had to watch most of the 2nd half online.

I am not complaining, just wondering....

Odd thing is, the channel was perfectly fine right after the game.

everyone lost their audio at like some point in the third of fourth quarter.

 

[lou_skywalker]

The great thing is that Sarver was there in person, hope he saw what a mess he has done to this franchise.

 

[Ollie]

So now that the Suns are out of playoff contention, are there still people who like the trade for J-Rich ?

Also Diaw was overpaid for what he did and except for a few games every once in a while he is still the same in Charlotte while Bell is declining fast.

No offense slin, but Diaw averages 15pts, 5.9rbds and 5 asts with Charlotte over 50 games, shooting .435 from 3pt range (that's better than J-Rich). And Bell averages are fairly identical to those he had with the Suns 2 years ago.

J-Rich has 2 years and 27M left on his contract and averages 17pts and 17 boneheaded defensive plays per game. I bet Kerr will soon try to pretend he actually traded for Dudley and that J-Rich was a salary cap fill-in.

 

[Ninjafish]

The great thing is that Sarver was there in person, hope he saw what a mess he has done to this franchise.

Well he saw the same thing last year in game 3 against the Spurs. He responded by making an even worse mess the following year.

 

[elindholm]

So now that the Suns are out of playoff contention, are there still people who like the trade for J-Rich ?

That's a fair question. I say Yes because Diaw's contract had become an albatross. Sure, now that Stoudemire's down again, Diaw would be useful, but it was banking on a Stoudemire injury that got the Suns into the mess with Diaw in the first place. Diaw's numbers in Charlotte this season don't tell me anything, since the question with him is sustaining it over multiple seasons, not lighting it up while he's excited by his new digs.

That said, Richardson has been a disappointment. Whether because of his personality or because of the Suns' confusion about what they are trying to do, Richardson hasn't yet seemed comfortable. Offensively, he has been reduced to a spot-up threes, transition dunks, and the occasional slash to the basket, making him a sort of Bell/Marion hybrid. Defensively, he's worse than either of those players, although he's not so bad as his reputation.

I expect Richardson can be had for the right price this summer, but given that the Suns will probably be making a lot of major changes, it might make sense to keep him and see how he does in the new environment.

I miss Bell, but he's near the end of the road in any case and the Suns would have needed to move on sooner or later, probably sooner. As for Diaw, I would remember any trade that got rid of him as a good thing.

 

[lou_skywalker]

That's a fair question. I say Yes because Diaw's contract had become an albatross. Sure, now that Stoudemire's down again, Diaw would be useful, but it was banking on a Stoudemire injury that got the Suns into the mess with Diaw in the first place. Diaw's numbers in Charlotte this season don't tell me anything, since the question with him is sustaining it over multiple seasons, not lighting it up while he's excited by his new digs.

That said, Richardson has been a disappointment. Whether because of his personality or because of the Suns' confusion about what they are trying to do, Richardson hasn't yet seemed comfortable. Offensively, he has been reduced to a spot-up threes, transition dunks, and the occasional slash to the basket, making him a sort of Bell/Marion hybrid. Defensively, he's worse than either of those players, although he's not so bad as his reputation.

I expect Richardson can be had for the right price this summer, but given that the Suns will probably be making a lot of major changes, it might make sense to keep him and see how he does in the new environment.

I miss Bell, but he's near the end of the road in any case and the Suns would have needed to move on sooner or later, probably sooner. As for Diaw, I would remember any trade that got rid of him as a good thing.

yeah J Rich will be an important cornerstone....consider he has only been here half a season and already has two coaches, he is doing well.
No one can doubt his athleticism and consistent effort he puts in, and I think after training camp he will fit in well especially if gentry is returning.

 

[slinslin]

No offense slin, but Diaw averages 15pts, 5.9rbds and 5 asts with Charlotte over 50 games, shooting .435 from 3pt range (that's better than J-Rich). And Bell averages are fairly identical to those he had with the Suns 2 years ago.

He is playing 38mpg at PF and averaging not even 6 rebounds per game that is bad and just like he played here, only that he plays more minutes.

He plays a great game every once in a while and then a buch of bad ones.

Richardson is a failure, but Diaw was failure here as well and Bell was horrible too.

 

[lou_skywalker]

He is playing 38mpg at PF and averaging not even 6 rebounds per game that is bad and just like he played here, only that he plays more minutes.

He plays a great game every once in a while and then a buch of bad ones.

Richardson is a failure, but Diaw was failure here as well and Bell was horrible too.

so basically, everyone on a team is a FAILURE

 

[cly2tw]

I don't think JRich had much chance to get comfortable here after the trade. But even in his current form, he is an upgrade to Bell and Diaw still. In any case, if we get rid of Nash any way we do, we might get Baron Davis for JRich as the former's contract runs 2 more years, enticing enough for Clips in addition to having a very dynamic backcourt with JRich/Gordon.

 

[Ninjafish]

I don't think JRich had much chance to get comfortable here after the trade. But even in his current form, he is an upgrade to Bell and Diaw still.

It doesn't matter how comfortable he got. It was an absolutely dumb trade because it made our already bad defense much much worse. Anyone who put any thought into the trade before it happened should have seen that coming. Kerr is either a moron or he's secretly working for the Spurs.

 

[Bufalay]

yeah J Rich will be an important cornerstone....consider he has only been here half a season and already has two coaches, he is doing well.
No one can doubt his athleticism and consistent effort he puts in, and I think after training camp he will fit in well especially if gentry is returning.

And most importantly http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1973729&postcount=116

 

[Covert Rain]

It doesn't matter how comfortable he got. It was an absolutely dumb trade because it made our already bad defense much much worse. Anyone who put any thought into the trade before it happened should have seen that coming. Kerr is either a moron or he's secretly working for the Spurs.

Not really. JRich was not responsible for this team getting worse. I have posted those numbers time and time again. We are almost worse at every single position from top to bottom on this roster from the start of the season. Diaw and Bell were horrible on defense as well. That means this teams problems were much bigger then one player. The team appeared to be no better or no worse pre-trade or post trade. The team was bad before and they were bad after. The wheels really fell off when we switched back to the old system. That truly made things worse. Bad is bad. Look at the scoring average and the # of 3 digit scoring games we gave up post system change.

This system should die once and for all. It's no coincidence that the Knicks after the same system was installed there are also a bottom feeder when it comes to defense. What more proof do we need? Not that I am defending Porter because I still don't think he can coach....but it did prove that even with a defensive philosophy, if you don't have the right guys....you still can't play defense.

This roster needs an enema.

 

[dodie53]

the suns are done


better luck next season.

 

[leclerc]

I'm very disappointed in the team's effort for this game. Especially the starters played lousy d. They don't deserve to make the playoffs with these kinds of games.

On a side note I watched it on espn and the commentators are jerks. Loud mouthed douchebags. My least favourite Mav continues to be Jason Terry. Dirk don't seem to flop and fling his arms as much as he used to. Maybe that's just because they're up by 20.

Bah, have a good summer guys! It's gonna be a long one.