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Well Beasley is still doing better than Hill this year
Still pissed Allen signed with the Heat. I liked him but don't like him on the Heat. 
Well Walking Dead is done being downloaded think I am done with this game
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Disagree. Hill has been out so he has contributed nothing... and zero is better than the extremely negative influence Beasley has on both ends of the court.
I still would like to Beasley at the 2 and Johnson at the 3 with Duds and Brown coming off the bench.
Your love for Beasley has always been true. I wouldn't have expected anything else.
so 0 > than 15.3 ppg in only 28 min.
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Your love for Beasley has always been true. I wouldn't have expected anything else.
Yes, immensely better because there is more to offense than ppg. Beasley has been horrible, on offense and on defense. Following yet another miserable effort by him on both ends he now has more shots attempted than he does points scored. Thats pathetic, especially for someone who shoots as often has he does. Being a ball hog and scoring points does not equate to being good on offense.
And again, he is a doormat defensively. The team does better on both ends with PJ Tucker in there... and I dont think Tucker is good player.
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Phrazbit, can you tell me 3 positive things about Michael Beasley's game?
Just anything, but it has to be positive. I just wanna know.
Just anything, but it has to be positive. I just wanna know.
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What is the point of this exercise? The guy is a lousy player, we should never have signed him.
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overall... eye opening to see how we stack up against the elite after playign three arguably non playoff teams in our first 4...
We have huge alert signs blaring.. 4 games in and we are yet to hit 100 points, and yet we have given up 120 average our last two games...
I am thought MAYBE just MAYBE we would be able to compete for a playoffs spot 7-8th.. it is clear at least to me, that is just not going to happen... I wonder if a 25 win season (and that is the high side) will finally convince Sarver the ways to truly build a contending team is the way OKC is doing it...
We are terrible... just terrible.. and tonight while we had a bright spots, we in no way shape or form had an inkling that we could actually win a that game..
Lucky for us the Bobcats are next, might be the only team in the NBA that is slightly more hopeless than us.. though that is up for a debate..
We have huge alert signs blaring.. 4 games in and we are yet to hit 100 points, and yet we have given up 120 average our last two games...
I am thought MAYBE just MAYBE we would be able to compete for a playoffs spot 7-8th.. it is clear at least to me, that is just not going to happen... I wonder if a 25 win season (and that is the high side) will finally convince Sarver the ways to truly build a contending team is the way OKC is doing it...
We are terrible... just terrible.. and tonight while we had a bright spots, we in no way shape or form had an inkling that we could actually win a that game..
Lucky for us the Bobcats are next, might be the only team in the NBA that is slightly more hopeless than us.. though that is up for a debate..
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You mean wait around until some dumb franchise gives you a bunch of extra picks for taking on a little salary? Everybody would love to do it the way OKC did it.
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The Suns aren't a great team, and we all saw that coming based on how the roster was constructed this summer.
The best thing to happen is for the Suns to miss the playoffs, land a high lottery pick, deal Dragic's contract this offseason (Marshall needs room to grow), and go through a complete youth movement next season.
Gortat will be playing on a contact year, and in the summer of 2014 Phoenix will have tons of cap space to play with.
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Not everybody.. Sarver and Babby have come out and said that is NOT how they would like to do it... They pointed that way is a BAD way to success and they are not interested in it, instead they will focus on Free Agency..
Hows THAT working out?
I understand we are just 4 games into the season, but in honor or election day, I am calling the season, it is going to be a POOOOOOR season for the Suns, 30 games is a generous estimate, I am going with 25....
Bottom 5 team in the NBA, bottom 3 team in the west...
The question is how long before Sarver/Babby decide having a team with 8 mediocre players is a bad idea... I hope less than 3.. we will see..
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It's what you get and deserve when you hire an idiot like Blanks to be your GM.
The Suns are a mess, they were not even on the same page concerning FAs. Blanks wanted to sign Felton, Sarver was the one that got Dragic.
Rebuilding through free agency is just stupid, we have not learned from the Pistons fall from grace, we made the exact same stupid mistakes they made.
You can't rebuild a good team by paying multiple 7-9M$ contracts to non-allstars. You pay allstars and role players but don't pay big for in-between players. You can really only afford 1-2 contracts like that.
Smart teams keep their cap flexibility until they secured top notch talent in the draft and then use the capspace to get the necessary role players in free agency since allstars practically never are available before they are old. And signing players like Beasley, Mayo, Childress, Hedo is a much bigger crapshoot than the draft because the consequences of a bad signing is much more severe than a 2 year team option rookie deal.
The Suns are a mess, they were not even on the same page concerning FAs. Blanks wanted to sign Felton, Sarver was the one that got Dragic.
Rebuilding through free agency is just stupid, we have not learned from the Pistons fall from grace, we made the exact same stupid mistakes they made.
You can't rebuild a good team by paying multiple 7-9M$ contracts to non-allstars. You pay allstars and role players but don't pay big for in-between players. You can really only afford 1-2 contracts like that.
Smart teams keep their cap flexibility until they secured top notch talent in the draft and then use the capspace to get the necessary role players in free agency since allstars practically never are available before they are old. And signing players like Beasley, Mayo, Childress, Hedo is a much bigger crapshoot than the draft because the consequences of a bad signing is much more severe than a 2 year team option rookie deal.
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Well, no, they didn't come out and say that it was a bad way to do it. I understand your point but OKC wasn't ever a model worth considering. They got very lucky with their way of doing it because they were already bad before Presti took over, they had the luxury of moving to a new environment which took all the stress out of being bad for a few years and they were given a lot of extra picks for virtually no reason. Those are conditions that don't exist for any other franchise.
Sarver doesn't have the luxury that Presti had and even if he'd been willing to turn us into the worst team in the league for a few years, he wouldn't have had all those extra picks to work with. And, in the meantime, attendance would have dwindled to record lows. Everything came together for Presti but we might have been just as likely to resemble the Clippers of the 90's if we'd decided to strip it to the bone and rely on draft picks to build a team.
Now, if you ask me, I'd prefer to go the draft pick route but I'm using Monopoly money when I make that call. This franchise is in serious trouble and I don't think there is an easy fix or a guaranteed fix but putting yourself in position to draft a franchise player seems like a better option. But, it's like being in the middle of the ocean and trying to decide whether to swim the 500 miles to shore or tread water for days hoping that a cruise ship happens by. Either way, you're probably going to drown or get eaten by sharks.
The problem with this organization isn't so much what they are doing today, it's what they did the past several years. Sarver made a few good decisions but a whole bunch of really bad ones and the bad ones have come home to roost.
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I suspect hiring Lance & Blanks is going to prove to be one of his worst decisions.
Being paired with D'Antoni was a major part of the trouble... Mike's disdain for draft picks hurt us at the time and still goes on hurting us now because our draft evaluation turned to crap - and it wasn't great before that. (Pre and post Percudani)
Being paired with D'Antoni was a major part of the trouble... Mike's disdain for draft picks hurt us at the time and still goes on hurting us now because our draft evaluation turned to crap - and it wasn't great before that. (Pre and post Percudani)
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Well said.
when were in a position to secure top notch talent in a draft recently? or ever?
we got nash through FA. marion and stat weren't even top 5 picks. thats been our bread and butter since getting nash. consider us fortunate to acquire those two and how they turned out.
don't we have role players and now we need a star? sure isn't beasley, luckily he's not on a long term contract that cripples us in that duration.
this is a transition period, we just removed nash. there's not much out there now as far as available allstars.
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