Suns @ Raptors

[Catlover]

And what kind of argument is that?

Who says we would not have won with Goodwin or Booker instead of Price?

Price contributed nothing positive. He was awful. His only noteworthy play was a potential 5 point turnaround for the Raptors.

Actually I think it was a great "argument" although perhaps not the way you took it. I didn't point out those things to prove Goodwin and Booker shouldn't play. I pointed them out because once we agreed that Price's minutes were unusually high in that game, it seemed a moronic time to rant against those minutes given that we won on the road against a better team.

I don't know why Goodwin is drawing all these DNP's. I suspect his attitude on the bench and perhaps elsewhere (Twitter, locker room etc.) has something to do with it. They don't show him often but he seems disinterested when they do even when we're on a run. But when he has played he's looked much better this season than earlier in his career.

 

[Phrazbit]

Archie is averaging the same number of turnovers as Price 0.9 vs 0.8.

And unlike Price or Booker he attacks the rim. Twice as many free throw attemps as Booker, 4 times as many as Price.

Too bad he sucks at making free throws. Barreling recklessly at the rim is his one move. As for those turnovers, he averages one third of Price's assist while turning the ball over more often in less minutes.

And this is not a defense of Price, I don't think he is any good, but the Goodwin cannot be trusted as the primary ball handler, which is why he loses PT to Price.

 

[Chaplin]

Archie is averaging the same number of turnovers as Price 0.9 vs 0.8.

And unlike Price or Booker he attacks the rim. Twice as many free throw attemps as Booker, 4 times as many as Price.

Price can play defense. Archie might not know the meaning of the word. Pretty simple. Whenever you have a question about why Price is on the floor, the answer is ALWAYS "defense."

 

[leclerc]

Great to see Tele shooting lights out. Bodes well for the road trip. Booker should get some of Price's minutes.

Frustrating that Goodwin looks so lackluster on the FT line. He did not make the most of his opportunities (kicking down the door) especially effort on defence and making FTs.

 

[mjb21aztd]

Great win by the suns
I am sure any team feels easier after playing the warriors

 

[Suns_fan69]

Price is still a head scratcher. I'd love for a reporter or someone to question Hornacek on this after a game. With the youth of the backcourt, even if you don't want to play Goodwin, you could run a combination of 2 of Bledsoe, Knight and Booker all 48 minutes at the guard spots.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Price is still a head scratcher. I'd love for a reporter or someone to question Hornacek on this after a game. With the youth of the backcourt, even if you don't want to play Goodwin, you could run a combination of 2 of Bledsoe, Knight and Booker all 48 minutes at the guard spots.

Stop trying to make sense out of Hornacek's rotations. It will drive you nutso.

We have 96 minutes available in the back court

Why not: My preference

36 - Knight
36 - Bledsoe
24 - Booker
0 - Price

or: probably better

32 - Knight
32 - Bledsoe
16- Goodwin
16 - Booker
0 - Price

Unfortunately it appears we could have signed Cotton to inure that Hornacek has another choice other than Booker or Goodwin in case Knight, Bledsoe or Price are not available to him.

I remember that most Suns Fans are happy that another Head Coach of your Phoenix Suns is no longer coaching this team. One of the biggest complaints was that he did not play youngsters. I expect that at least Booker would be a vital part of his rotation if he were still coach.

 

[Phrazbit]

I remember that most Suns Fans are happy that another Head Coach of your Phoenix Suns is no longer coaching this team. One of the biggest complaints was that he did not play youngsters. I expect that at least Booker would be a vital part of his rotation if he were still coach.

Booker wouldn't play because D'Antoni didn't play young players and Warren probably wouldn't play either because he doesn't shoot threes, or he'd play center or something idiotic... and we'd have won about 3 games so far because Steve Nash isn't on the roster.

 

[Mainstreet]

Booker wouldn't play because D'Antoni didn't play young players and Warren probably wouldn't play either because he doesn't shoot threes, or he'd play center or something idiotic... and we'd have won about 3 games so far because Steve Nash isn't on the roster.

I disagree. I think both Warren and Booker would play for that previously unmentionable coach. Both can shoot 3's.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Booker wouldn't play because D'Antoni didn't play young players and Warren probably wouldn't play either because he doesn't shoot threes, or he'd play center or something idiotic... and we'd have won about 3 games so far because Steve Nash isn't on the roster.

You really have no clue.

Mike played youngsters at every stop if they were the best choice. I am not going to waste my time educating you because you have already made your decision, which is wrong. Check the rosters he coached and tell me which youngster that is or was worth a crap that he didn't play.

What is the only coach that got production out of Earl Clark? For what coach did Raymond Felton have his greatest success? For what coach did Kobe Bryant shoot the highest 2 pt percentage for his career .510? His career is .480. For what coach did Nash when 2 MVP's? etc, etc, etc,

Marion never had a great outside shot but he brought energy, rebounding and defense. You can be assured that both Warren and Booker would be getting minutes. In Mikes offense the ball finds energy. Warren is similar to Marion in a lot of ways, the ball would find him. In Hornacek's offense the ball never sees Booker and rarely leaves the hands of either Knight or Bledsoe.

This team becomes harder to watch as the season progresses. I expected it to get better, it isn't.

I am so glad you love Hornacek so much. You deserve each other.

 

[Mainstreet]

In fairness to Hornacek, the Suns would be a much better team if Markieff Morris didn't play like he doesn't want to be here.

 

[Phrazbit]

You really have no clue.

Mike played youngsters at every stop if they were the best choice. I am not going to waste my time educating you because you have already made your decision, which is wrong. Check the rosters he coached and tell me which youngster that is or was worth a crap that he didn't play.

What is the only coach that got production out of Earl Clark? For what coach did Raymond Felton have his greatest success? For what coach did Kobe Bryant shoot the highest 2 pt percentage for his career .510? His career is .480. For what coach did Nash when 2 MVP's? etc, etc, etc,

Marion never had a great outside shot but he brought energy, rebounding and defense. You can be assured that both Warren and Booker would be getting minutes. In Mikes offense the ball finds energy. Warren is similar to Marion in a lot of ways, the ball would find him. In Hornacek's offense the ball never sees Booker and rarely leaves the hands of either Knight or Bledsoe.

This team becomes harder to watch as the season progresses. I expected it to get better, it isn't.

I am so glad you love Hornacek so much. You deserve each other.

We've gone over this. You can claim I have no clue... but the facts back me up. D'Antoni didn't play his bench anywhere, bottom 5 in bench usage in literally every year from his first year in Phoenix to his disaster in LA.

Its funny that you bring up Earl Clark, Clark and his mighty 12 PER under Mike. A terrible player who Mike decided to play over Pau Gasol because Mike has absolutely zero ability to adjust to his talent.

And I'm not in love with Hornacek, I complained about his rotations in this very thread, but the idea that we'd be better off with a guy who couldn't figure out how to use Pau Gasol and lost 60%+ of his games when Nash wasn't out there is laughable.

 

[BC867]

You really have no clue.

I am not going to waste my time educating you because you have already made your decision, which is wrong.

I am so glad you love Hornacek so much. You deserve each other.

I haven't posted on this thread. But I must say that these personal insults to other ASFN posters aren't very convincing.

But I guess identifying yourself as "JustWinBaby" explains it.

We all post our opinions here. And most of us realize that Mike D'Antoni was successful throughout his NBA coaching career only when Steve Nash was on the court.

And he burned him out by each post-season, with his 7 1/2-man rotations. Not to mention his comments to the Press treating defense as a joke. And announcing that it was not his job to train young players.

D'Antoni put on a show in the desert for a few years. But it did nothing to build a Championship calibre team.

BTW, I agree with you about Hornacek. But it is not about "loving" him. This is about evaluating a Head Coach in the greatest basketball league in the world.

Jeff Hornacek does not have the strength of personality to be the leader of a bunch of spoiled millionaires. Or to be the Suns figurehead to the Press. Shooting coach was his limit. And the owner and GM should have anticipated that.

 

[leclerc]

We need a PROVEN head coach next year (or mid season). Would be cool if Jeff could stay on as assistant coach or something.

I agree that Booker and Goodwin should get some of Price's minutes. And Keef should be in the dog house until further notice.

Start Len (Chandler when healthy), Leuer, Rush Hour, Knight, Bledsoe. Substitute Booker, Teletovich, Goodwin and PJ. Maybe Price but not every game. Play Len (or Chandler when healthy) late in games as well.

 

[Phrazbit]

There are certain teams who spread the court in ways that playing Len/Chandler in the crunch all the time just isn't realistic. I'm fine with having them out there if the other team has a true big on the court but if the other team has Dirk out there at center then Len/Chandler become useless.

 

[JCSunsfan]

We need a PROVEN head coach next year (or mid season). Would be cool if Jeff could stay on as assistant coach or something.

I agree that Booker and Goodwin should get some of Price's minutes. And Keef should be in the dog house until further notice.

Start Len (Chandler when healthy), Leuer, Rush Hour, Knight, Bledsoe. Substitute Booker, Teletovich, Goodwin and PJ. Maybe Price but not every game. Play Len (or Chandler when healthy) late in games as well.

Name who you want. Jeff has been in the league for years as a player and a coach. He is now in his third year here. Veteran head coaches that are available have warts.

I think Horny is a good coach and he is getting as much or more out of this team than anyone else--especially with Markieff Morose sitting there.

BTW, I am sure that mgmt has given instructions to Horny to keep playing Kieff so that he will either come out of his funk or keep up his trade value until he can be moved.

I like the minutes that Warren is getting. Getting minutes as a backup and then some against starters is a great way to develop his confidence. Booker is getting minutes as an 18 year old. Thats amazing.

Price gets minutes because he plays D and that sets an example for the others. Leuer and Telly are getting minutes. The only thing that I don't like is PJ starting and Markieff playing. But PJ is not getting lots of minutes except when he is playing well,

 

[elindholm]

Markieff Morose

LOL