Suns Sign Anthony Tolliver
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Eh. Idk if he's really worth $3M but I guess he can hit that 3 pretty well from the 4 spot.
Every time I hear Tolliver, I immediately think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqc1MNA3GZ0
Every time I hear Tolliver, I immediately think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqc1MNA3GZ0
i haven't clicked it yet, but i think it's amare dunking on him while he was with GS. because that's what i think of when i hear his name too.
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Eh, $3 million... smells like they signed a trade filler for down the road. If he can help while he's here, great!
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My favorite dunk of all time.
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Last year: 1.6 3PT/Game with solid 3PT PCT. I like it. My two options were Anthony Tolliver or Ed Davis.
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This signing makes no sense. Can the guy even play point guard? 
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This signing makes no sense. Can the guy even play point guard?
Steve
There is still time to acquire Nash. Don't be too hard on the Suns until the season starts. I think McD can swing a trade for another PG between now and then.
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On the first day of free agency, every NBA general manager received a hard copy 20-page presentation highlighting Tolliver as the 15th best three-point shooter in the league, his 48.2 percent three-point percentage in the fourth quarter and the strong plus-minus ratios in his career. Tolliver and Fox scoured the free agent market for the best opportunity to play his most effective position as a stretch power forward and 13 teams expressed interest throughout the process.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234324/Anthony-Tolliver-Reaches-Two-Year-$6M-Deal-With-Suns
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/234324/Anthony-Tolliver-Reaches-Two-Year-$6M-Deal-With-Suns
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I'm a total homer - i like this signing:
1. Last season his true shooting was 60.5% - most of his shots were threes, converted at 41.3%, explains most of it, and means he will create space like Frye did by being a threat from deep. He's also a (recent) career 80%+ FT shooter.
2. He had a pretty good season with Golden State in his second year when he average 12.7pts and 7.3 rebounds; this team was definitely run and gun as they averaged 115ppg, even though they conceded 117ppg.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3276/anthony-tolliver
3. Every subsequent team he's played on where he got game time - Minny, Atl, Cha - are historically 'bad' clubs and clearly didn't utilise him the way Golden State did (and the way we will).
4. He's listed at 6'8" or 6,9" but his current weight of 240lbs suggests he's not undersized (too much) for a PF.
5. He blew up for a 34pt - 21rb game when with Golden State (not a predictor but not a bad indicator).
6. He sounds like a decent character guy:
“It’s a great opportunity for me - I went into this free agency and it worked out perfectly when Phoenix contacted my agent. With a great nucleus of young players, and the respect I have for Ryan [McDonough], Jeff Hornacek and the entire organization, it’s a perfect situation. For me, I want to go in there and help any way I can. Phoenix is a great city, a great family city.”
This could easily pan out to be another Gerald Green / RMcD steal.
1. Last season his true shooting was 60.5% - most of his shots were threes, converted at 41.3%, explains most of it, and means he will create space like Frye did by being a threat from deep. He's also a (recent) career 80%+ FT shooter.
2. He had a pretty good season with Golden State in his second year when he average 12.7pts and 7.3 rebounds; this team was definitely run and gun as they averaged 115ppg, even though they conceded 117ppg.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3276/anthony-tolliver
3. Every subsequent team he's played on where he got game time - Minny, Atl, Cha - are historically 'bad' clubs and clearly didn't utilise him the way Golden State did (and the way we will).
4. He's listed at 6'8" or 6,9" but his current weight of 240lbs suggests he's not undersized (too much) for a PF.
5. He blew up for a 34pt - 21rb game when with Golden State (not a predictor but not a bad indicator).
6. He sounds like a decent character guy:
“It’s a great opportunity for me - I went into this free agency and it worked out perfectly when Phoenix contacted my agent. With a great nucleus of young players, and the respect I have for Ryan [McDonough], Jeff Hornacek and the entire organization, it’s a perfect situation. For me, I want to go in there and help any way I can. Phoenix is a great city, a great family city.”
This could easily pan out to be another Gerald Green / RMcD steal.
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I remember when Tolliver played at Golden State several years back. He really played well for them. Maybe he can return to form with the Suns.
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Sounds better than Shavlick.
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Is he hurt a lot or does he just get DNPs.
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Ok, here is the reality of the situation..
Anthony Tolliver made $884,000 last year
This will be his 7th team in 8 years..
Outside of scoring 12 PPG his sophomore season he has never averaged more than 6 PPGs, (last 5 years- 0, 6, 4, 4, 6)
Finally yes he shot 41% from 3 this past year, but if you look at attempts per game he is in the 60's, by far the least of anyone in the top 15…
In the end, do I think Tolliver could fit in well with the suns, yes
Do I think he deserved three times his current salary to come here? Absolutely not…
I just hope the second season is a team option, because that is the only way this deal makes sense, other than a pseudo-panic move...
Anthony Tolliver made $884,000 last year
This will be his 7th team in 8 years..
Outside of scoring 12 PPG his sophomore season he has never averaged more than 6 PPGs, (last 5 years- 0, 6, 4, 4, 6)
Finally yes he shot 41% from 3 this past year, but if you look at attempts per game he is in the 60's, by far the least of anyone in the top 15…
In the end, do I think Tolliver could fit in well with the suns, yes
Do I think he deserved three times his current salary to come here? Absolutely not…
I just hope the second season is a team option, because that is the only way this deal makes sense, other than a pseudo-panic move...
3rdside
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the only way this deal makes sense? really?
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I'm fine with the contract, but this is another SF who will be playing out of position. He's a terrible rebounder and last year averaged one free-throw attempt per 36 minutes. He makes Frye look like LaMarcus Aldridge.
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You can't compare Gerald Green to Tolliver…
Green was a first round pick, athletic freak, that had shown flashes as recently as two years before averaging 13 PPG…
Tolliver was undrafted and has not averaged more than 6 PPG since 2009-10
And talk about the reason he has not been good is because he was on bad clubs… do you now what the record was of GS when he was averaging 12 PPG?
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If we brought him in for 900,000 on a one year deal to see what he can do, I would be on board…
Tripling his salary and doing it for two years, smells like a pseudo-panic move…
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It also makes sense as he and Bledsoe's signing likely will get them to the minimum salary limit (which also will depend on what Bledsoe gets). It (including Bledsoe) will also get them to the minimum team members. I think they gave him that amount as it's a good salary for a trade filler and the reasons above in case a trade comes about before the trade deadline. I will be shocked if year two isn't a team option.
3rdside
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The salary bump might have been done to make sure we get him, a bit like what happens with other teams bidding for RFA's. No biggie considering how small the salary is really.
I'm not saying this is the world's greatest signing, i'm just saying that looking at his stats there's a great chance we'll be impressed with this guy for his output firstly, and that $3m per may come to be seen as very cheap secondly.
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Cetainly not saying all undrafted players are bad, just pointing out, former first round picks who come straight from High School, tend to get more chances and opportunities than 23 year old undrafted guys with no real position..
Here is the thing.. I think KLOD may be spot on, we may have signed him to get the the salary minimum and the second year is a team option… in that case I can swallow it a lot easier… And I hope I am wrong and he turns into a rotation player that we can count on off the bench… but I am not sure that is going to happen...
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Are we going to have any cap space available after signing Bledsoe? Very underwhelmed by our offseason thus far.
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Signing a guy for 3m per isn't a panic move.
3rdside
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You could argue he's a tweener but, personally, i really don't think he is that much out of position at PF - he's 6'8" or 9" and weighs 240lbs (as mentioned), the same weight as the Morri basically.
His one FT attempt relates to most of his shots being 3 pointers (247 of 307) or, in other words, he attempts only one 2pt shot per game on average so one FT per game isn't that bad really.
And if he's camped out at the 3 point line then naturally he'll be a poor rebounder statistically.
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If he gets the minutes I think he'll be a pretty decent addition. He provides spacing which is needed on this team. Although this kind of squeezes TJ Warren out of the rotation unless someone is traded. (Or if Tolliver is simply a salary filler, which could be likely.) Warren is killing it in the Summer League so I'd like to see him get some time.
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