Suns sign Mirza Teletovic

[JCSunsfan]

A lot of uncontested rebounds in that clip. Do teams just try to get o-rebounds more against the Suns?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

A lot of uncontested rebounds in that clip. Do teams just try to get o-rebounds more against the Suns?

In the second clip he basically did a great job of boxing out his guy, which led to the uncontested rebounds.

 

[leclerc]

Looks like a very nice signing. Looking forward to seeing him next season.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Great article of BSOTS about Teletovic. This particular stat was quite amazing:

Having a lot of open threes is a testament to really good spacing, while making contested threes is a testament to really good shooting.

Of the threes Mirza took last year with Brooklyn, 91% of them were on catch-and-shoot plays, and only 5% of all his threes were wide open. Since he doesn't handle the ball much and yet had nearly all his shots contested, that means defenses stay with him when he didn't have the ball. But he still gets off the shot anyway. When he was healthy in 2013-14, he made 39% of his threes.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...uns-gravity-spacing-chandler-teletovic-knight

 

[Mainstreet]

Great article of BSOTS about Teletovic. This particular stat was quite amazing:

Having a lot of open threes is a testament to really good spacing, while making contested threes is a testament to really good shooting.

Of the threes Mirza took last year with Brooklyn, 91% of them were on catch-and-shoot plays, and only 5% of all his threes were wide open. Since he doesn't handle the ball much and yet had nearly all his shots contested, that means defenses stay with him when he didn't have the ball. But he still gets off the shot anyway. When he was healthy in 2013-14, he made 39% of his threes.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2...uns-gravity-spacing-chandler-teletovic-knight

It seems the gist of it (strategy wise), the Suns are locked into PFs that can shoot the three point shot and spread the floor. I like the acquisition of Mirza so his shooting should fit (along with Markieff and Leuer). I didn't realize how many of his shots were contested. It is a revealing and a good stat. I think it also points how the need for the Suns centers to play defense and rebound if their PFs are going to be shooting from outside.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It seems the gist of it (strategy wise), the Suns are locked into PFs that can shoot the three point shot and spread the floor. I like the acquisition of Mirza so his shooting should fit (along with Markieff and Leuer). I didn't realize how many of his shots were contested. It is a revealing and a good stat. I think it also points how the need for the Suns centers to play defense and rebound if their PFs are going to be shooting from outside.

Which is why the signing of Chandler makes so much sense. At least they are building a system and players that mesh.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree Chandler is the key to anchoring the defense inside. Also hopefully Len can take another step forward. I do think the Suns need another center or FC that can add depth at the center position to guard against injury. I'm hoping a player like Henry Sims can make the roster.

 

[BC867]

I agree Chandler is the key to anchoring the defense inside. Also hopefully Len can take another step forward. I do think the Suns need another center or FC that can add depth at the center position to guard against injury. I'm hoping a player like Henry Sims can make the roster.

And that Horny doesn't look for excuses to sit their Centers for the final 12. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And that Horny doesn't look for excuses to sit their Centers for the final 12. I'll believe it when I see it.

You won't be happy until a traditional center and pf plays every minute of every game regardless of matchups or wins.

Which means you will never ever be happy.

This isn't the 1970's.

 

[BC867]

You won't be happy until a traditional center and pf plays every minute of every game regardless of matchups or wins.

Which means you will never ever be happy.

This isn't the 1970's.

C'mon, JC, exaggerations aren't going to prove your point.

There is a big difference between "every minute of every game regardless of matchups" and finishing most games all season long by moving the PF to C, the SF to PF and 3 Guards as Wings.

Especially during the stretch when small guys wear down while the opponents' big guys remain big.

Our two Finals appearances in almost 50 years (well beyond the '70's) attest to that.

Do you not see any validity to that point of view?

I am just hoping that, with a roster that has two strong Centers (either of whom can start and finish), Jeff can change his approach and make it work. Time will tell!

If not, you're right, I won't be happy.

 

[Mainstreet]

And that Horny doesn't look for excuses to sit their Centers for the final 12. I'll believe it when I see it.

Basketball is a game of match-ups. I like to have talented big men on the roster when the other teams go big (or if it is to the Suns advantage) but I also want players that can play small ball when the need arises.

Let's face it, Suns fans will always be traumatized because they lost the coin flip to draft Kareem... and what could have been. The same with David Robinson. Never having won a Championship only continues to feed most Suns fans craving for big men.

 

[JCSunsfan]

C'mon, JC, exaggerations aren't going to prove your point.



There is a big difference between "every minute of every game regardless of matchups" and finishing most games all season long by moving the PF to C, the SF to PF and 3 Guards as Wings.



Especially during the stretch when small guys wear down while the opponents' big guys remain big.



Our two Finals appearances in almost 50 years (well beyond the '70's) attest to that.



Do you not see any validity to that point of view?



I am just hoping that, with a roster that has two strong Centers (either of whom can start and finish), Jeff can change his approach and make it work. Time will tell!



If not, you're right, I won't be happy.

Did you watch the finals in June? The traditional centers for both teams rode the bench in the end.

In fact the winnings played small ball

 

[BC867]

Did you watch the finals in June? The traditional centers for both teams rode the bench in the end.

In fact the winnings played small ball

And that helps the Suns how?

You can rationalize anything with one example.

Back in the '70's we were called Finesse.

Now it's called Small Ball.

I just want to see the team I've been rooting for (for 40 years) to show strength. Wuss ball has entertained, but has not produced dominance.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Small ball , finesse ball whatever. Every team plays it some, but now more than ever. New rules have made it an essential part of every teams strategy. There is no going back. Players like Roy Hibbert have become dinosaurs. Big men now have to be mobile and be able to shoot. They have to defend with their feet and cannot mug people coming through the lane.

What's funny to me is that a player like Bill Laimbeer, as dirty has he was, would have thrived in today's nba.

 

[Mainstreet]

What's funny to me is that a player like Bill Laimbeer, as dirty has he was, would have thrived in today's nba.

A big man that can step away from the basket and hit the outside shot is always at a premium.

Vlade Divac had this ability when he first came into the NBA but the Lakers made him play down low. I always thought he could have had a better career if the Lakers let him use his natural shooting ability from outside.

 

[BC867]

A big man that can step away from the basket and hit the outside shot is always at a premium.

Vlade Divac had this ability when he first came into the NBA but the Lakers made him play down low. I always thought he could have had a better career if the Lakers let him use his natural shooting ability from outside.

To which I have to ask, would it have helped the Lakers overall?

They already a little too much duplication with three players at 6'9". They needed a bigger Center and a lighter 2-Guard to balance things out.

 

[Mainstreet]

To which I have to ask, would it have helped the Lakers overall?

They already a little too much duplication with three players at 6'9". They needed a bigger Center and a lighter 2-Guard to balance things out.

I was talking about what might have been better for Divac' career, not what would have been better for the Lakers.

 

[Hoop Head]

To which I have to ask, would it have helped the Lakers overall?

They already a little too much duplication with three players at 6'9". They needed a bigger Center and a lighter 2-Guard to balance things out.

Divac played outside more with the Kings later in his career and that team had found some success. They had a frontcourt of Divac, Webber, and Stojakovic. Webber's range was pretty much anywhere within the 3 point line, and Divac and Peja spread the floor. Had they used more of inside presence at Center I don't think they would have had the success they did. Of course since they didn't win a title they didn't have that much success but they also played in a few games where Donavon cost them the game.