Suns sign Stro Swift

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Good job Kerr!

Now cue Debbie Downer to come in here and tell us all what a complete scrub Swift is...
 

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I hope he brought his running legs! He hasn't played much this season but he will be a solid addition if he is at 100%

I've been a fan of him for some time now. I was really pushing for him and Warrick when Marion trades were at full throttle 2 summers ago. He should fit in perfectly.

His future depends on how he plays here, so im very optimistic.
 

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Awesome!

Hopefully he's in shape, healthy, and motivated. If so, he can be a solid contributor, and should allow us to rest Grant Hill so he's ready for the postseason.

Great job Kerr!
 

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I am happy about this signing. If he can hop, run and defend even in spurts.....this team is better IMO with him. I am anxious to see if this guy eventually gets into the starting lineup. We should start him IMO, even if he ends up playing less the normal starter minutes.

If the guy can run....it will allow us to play a more traditional lineup without giving up too much size ...a la.. Amare.
 

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Swift has pretty much been invisible for the last 4 years in the NBA, hasnt scored 8ppg in 5 years, and that was on some very bad teams. Over at spurs talk they are yucking it up. Here is a sample:

"Wow the suns bench is killa with Tragic, Stro, Louis and Robin.

That bench makes the 2004-05 Suns bench look like a all-star team"


I havent seen swift play in so long, I dont know what he will bring, but he has a rep of a very low BBall IQ.
 

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I read he still has to pass waivers. So it's not quite a done deal. ;)
 

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There is a mandatory 48 hour waiting period on waivers. So while it is not a done deal, its 99% done.

A source on the RealGM boards says he was promised a starting position. Im hoping that means he is going to dominate in hopes of securing his future contract.
 

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I have low expectations for Swift, but he's probably better than the alternative, which was nothing.
 
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I have low expectations for Swift, but he's probably better than the alternative, which was nothing.

at least he gives us a physical presence in the paint, and hopefully he can adapt well and recover from his mother's death. I can imagine him getting schooled by Shaq if he causes trouble.
 

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at least he gives us a physical presence in the paint

Not really. He's soft and routinely declares himself not healthy enough to play. This has been going on long before the issue with his mother.

I can imagine him getting schooled by Shaq if he causes trouble.

No, the Suns will just ignore or cut him if he can't or won't contribute. The front office has to know that he's not someone you can count on. Anything he provides is a bonus.
 

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I have low expectations for Swift, but he's probably better than the alternative, which was nothing.
I admire the consistency in your pessimism :)

Swift is a bust and I'd say he has approximately zero value to Memphis. His value to Phoenix isn't much higher, but if there's any place he can succeed, Phoenix would be it. I wouldn't have high expectations for him.
From '07
 

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Swift has pretty much been invisible for the last 4 years in the NBA, hasnt scored 8ppg in 5 years, and that was on some very bad teams. Over at spurs talk they are yucking it up. Here is a sample:

"Wow the suns bench is killa with Tragic, Stro, Louis and Robin.

That bench makes the 2004-05 Suns bench look like a all-star team"


I havent seen swift play in so long, I dont know what he will bring, but he has a rep of a very low BBall IQ.

Those people are acting like we expect Swift to come in here and score like Amare. If that was the reason the Suns singed him then they should by yucking it up. The Suns brought him in here to rebound, bring back some athleticism and play some defense.

Also, I think you have to factor in Swift will get more playing time then he was getting with the Nets. This all depends on how the Suns use him but although expectations should not be high...it's better then nothing. In fact, there is some potential there IMO.

Rebounding
When Swift averages around 20 minutes per game is rebounding is at 5 rebounds per game. Which is not Amare's 8 (but that is pretty good considering Swift's limited minutes). He has only averaged over 20 minutes per game twice in his career. Compare that to Amare's 36.8 MPG this season. Swift gets about 7.7 rebounds (per 48).

Again, not great but it's not bad to get most of those rebounds back from another teams throw away. IMO, he will get you more rebounds per game then Diaw given the time. He is an upgrade on the boards from Boris Diaw (who averaged 3.8 RPG in more minutes). Worst case scenario he give you what Diaw did on the boards.

Defense
In terms of defense he has a better Opponent Per (PPG) then Amare. Not much better but better. They average about the same in blocks. Swift actually might be an upgrade at the PF position defensively (although slight) at the PF position. It's not saying much but it's something.

Basketball IQ
This has been discussed at length. This is probably a push.

Scoring
Not even worth comparing. Amare is a beast on offense but offense no longer appears to be a problem since going back to the old style. He averages 9.6 PPG when playing at least 20 minutes per game (compared to Diaw's 8.3 with the Suns). Again, I think he can give you better offensive output then Diaw given the time.

Just don't see how this is a negative. Worst case scenario you replace everything but assists Diaw brought to this team. Best case scenario, Swift fills in nicely for everything Amare did minus offense.

The big if is, how are we going to use the guy and if we do give him Diaw's old minutes, can he produce anymore? It's a big if but worth the signing IMO.
 
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Those people are acting like we expect Swift to come in here and score like Amare. If that was the reason the Suns singed him then they should by yucking it up. The Suns brought him in here to rebound, bring back some athleticism and play some defense.

Also, I think you have to factor in Swift will get more playing time then he was getting with the Nets. This all depends on how the Suns use him but although expectations should not be high...it's better then nothing. In fact, there is some potential there IMO.

Rebounding
When Swift averages around 20 minutes per game is rebounding is at 5 rebounds per game. Which is not Amare's 8 (but that is pretty good considering Swift's limited minutes). He has only averaged over 20 minutes per game twice in his career. Compare that to Amare's 36.8 MPG this season. Swift gets about 7.7 rebounds (per 48).

Again, not great but it's not bad to get most of those rebounds back from another teams throw away. IMO, he will get you more rebounds per game then Diaw given the time. He is an upgrade on the boards from Boris Diaw (who averaged 3.8 RPG in more minutes). Worst case scenario he give you what Diaw did on the boards.

Defense
In terms of defense he has a better Opponent Per (PPG) then Amare. Not much better but better. They average about the same in blocks. Swift actually might be an upgrade at the PF position defensively (although slight) at the PF position. It's not saying much but it's something.

Basketball IQ
This has been discussed at length. This is probably a push.

Scoring
Not even worth comparing. Amare is a beast on offense but offense no longer appears to be a problem since going back to the old style. He averages 9.6 PPG when playing at least 20 minutes per game. Again, I think he can give you better offensive output then Diaw given the time.

Just don't see how this is a negative. Worst case scenario you replace everything but assists Diaw brought to this team. Best case scenario, Swift fills in nicely for everything Amare did minus offense.

Swift has been playing against second unit guys for 5 years on bad teams that have no rebounders, comparing him to amare makes me want to:barf:

There is a reason that he has not been able to get >16 mins a game for years on teams that were just desperate for rebounding, scoring bigs(nets, grizzlies)
 

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Swift has been playing against second unit guys for 5 years on bad teams that have no rebounders, comparing him to amare makes me want to:barf:[/quote]

In some aspects of Amare's game you don't have to compare him to anyone to :barf:

Nobody is saying he is Amare. I think he has the potential to replace some of what was lost at the PF position with Amare out and Diaw being gone. He is not going to come in here and be a star. Amare is an All-star offensive PF. Nobody is expecting to get that out of Swift.

Hell if we got this out of him a couple times a game.....I would be happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GiLII8vw4A

He has some hops and brings some "Marionisms":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdFy7fODnQo


There is a reason that he has not been able to get >16 mins a game for years

Every one thought he could potentially put up Amare like numbers coming into the league. It never happened. Every other part of his game is similar to Amare. The Suns don't need his offense thought...those other teams did. I would love to have a defensive stopper who gets 10 boards a night but that's not going to happen.
 
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