Suns tell Porter job in Jeopardy

[PhoenixMaverick]

I disagree 100%.

His decision making skills need to be taken out back and put out of their misery.

agreed 100%

 

[CardsFan88]

10 million dollars to fire Porter! Jeez it looks like 3-4 more 1st round draft picks will need to be traded.

Seriously if $arver regardless of 'the economy' goes into ultra cheapskate mode the Suns will be viewed, watched, and as unloved as the Cardinals were until this year. He'll be the new Bidwill, no iff's, and's or but's.

Again (as stated previously) my feeling is he took a potential multiple championship dynasty team with a window that would only be about halfway closed (or about 10-12 years long starting with 2003 season), with only Nash's age a factor, (and Marion's a few years from now) to what we currently are. No better than a 6th place team in the west, capable but improbable of making a championship run.

I had hopes for Terry Porter, (just thinking optimistically being a fan and all) but honestly after seeing only a few games it didn't look like he fit the part of being our coach. It was clear he is a couple of steps down from D'antoni. You give him a bit of a break to mesh and get accustomed to his players strength's, weaknesses, and tendencies, one in which it's obvious he still needs. But this is what happens when a mediocre coach inherits a team bereft of young talent, whose identity was recently shaken from trades, and whose style conflicts with his players.

We don't even have our draft pick in 2010, so this is a horrible time to 'rebuild'. Part of the reason 'to rebuild' (if given the chance to decide whether or not you are in rebuilding mode...like they are DECIDING now), is getting good draft picks. Which we wouldn't until 2011.

$arver is the worst thing that has ever happened to this team, 10x worse than the drug scandal.

C'mon $arver, sell the team so you can save your bank, it can't be doing good.

From reading stuff from other threads it looks like it's Kerr's call on an Amare trade. Internal dissension, yeah from the guys who know basketball, but $arver's buddy, Kerr will be able to do anything he wants over the 'basketball minds' because of the nepotistic quality to their relationship. JMHO speculating from what I read. Kerr will make up his mind that he is finished from trying to dissuade himself from trading Amare, swear he did his due diligence to $arver, and then ask and receive permission to trade Amare.

You don't like losing money $arver, then eat the cost of the decision of making your friend a GM, who then hires a friend to coach.

Don't trade Amare or do 'cost cutting' because of it. It'll be obvious as it always is when it's a salary dump. If it's not a name within 15 percent of Amare's skill, then it's a salary dump.

Why would it be that we trade the youngest top-tier player? That would just make us worse this year, and in subsequent years. You don't get younger by trading, what is he now, ~25 year old?

Looks like we may have put all our eggs in one basket, and then decided to play catch with it...throwing it all about.

No big plan, no small plan, just throw everything out the window for small one time gains.

It really is sad, and just goes to further my impression of $arver. Anybody could make money in banking the last 20 years given the climate. $arver sure didn't get where he was by making smart, sound decisions. Because you need only watch how he runs the $uns to understand how he probably ran his bank. Pretty badly.

Why else would you continually throw away the future, and the present, to get a return worth not more than 5-10 percent of the value of the franchise when it was purchased? Consistently trading away talent for a small one time pittance of a payment. Oh he thought the gravy train would go on forever, typical for $arver, and again, would be exactly how a banker would run a bank, and as currently situated, what in the magnified world of today's banking does this conflict with? Nothing.

Screw the health of the product, just keep selling off assets to meet the day, only to find tomorrow harder to meet because of it, and forced to sell even more, in a vicious cycle until, well...we are what we are, and not what you thought we should be. Next year, you'll wish for us to be who we currently are, even it's just so you don't give up the #1 pick.

You're already on the hook for trading away draft picks that themselves would be basically a playoff caliber team, and viewed as up and coming.

If anyone asks where the backwoods in Phoenix are, point them to $arver and Kerr's offices. Good ol boy network is fine and alive there.

We've already seen how he'll run the team, not take a loss for any of his bonehead moves, and not take a loss to win. He chose this destiny. This path was never forced upon him.

If he fires Porter, he better do it with the knowledge that it's going to cut into his pocketbook, not the team's talent level. His whole, 'I don't want to lose money at any costs mindset', will cost him dearly in the long run. Penny wise, pound foolish. There seems to be a lot of that going around these days.

$arver, if you cost-cut now, mark my words, you'll pay at least ten fold for it, and it'll be decades to undo. Ask Bidwill

Sorry for the rant, but it's a greek tragedy what he has done needlessly to this team, and it looks like there's another act about ready to be written.

 

[DarlinG]

Is there any example that a team fired a coach in the middle of season and was successful with a new coach for the rest of the season?

Keep Porter until the end of season. Then fire him or not I don't care. Firing Porter won't solve the problem in this season, although it can relieve Suns fans' anger somewhat.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

It will solve a BIG chunk of the problem.

Fact: Players are ignoring Porter. (Shaq, Barnes)
Fact: Players have asked for a trade because of Porter (Bell, Diaw)
Fact: Porter has been outcoached on multiple occasions (HackaBowen, zone defense vs perimeter shooting teams)
Fact: Porter is not fully prepared for opponents' strengths and weaknesses ("Azibuke hasnt taken that many 3s this season)

 

[mjb21aztd]

They should have fired Porter a week ago he has done a horrible job and not one player is buying into his system, which is a shame cause he probally could be a good caoch if we had anyone who could play defense..... Well we will have fun getting swept by the lakers in the 1st round of the playoffs . Having to buy into a new coaches scheme we should just hire Ivaroni atleast he like to play run n gun offense

 

[BillsCarnage]

Why no mention of Kerr? All of this doing is a direct result of Kerr. That bozo should be axed.

Steve Kerr = NBA version of Matt Millen

 

[DarlinG]

It will solve a BIG chunk of the problem.

Fact: Players are ignoring Porter. (Shaq, Barnes)
Fact: Players have asked for a trade because of Porter (Bell, Diaw)
Fact: Porter has been outcoached on multiple occasions (HackaBowen, zone defense vs perimeter shooting teams)
Fact: Porter is not fully prepared for opponents' strengths and weaknesses ("Azibuke hasnt taken that many 3s this season)

Fact 1 & 2 -

Why do they ignore Porter or ask for a trade? Because he can't solve the problem. To solve the problem, someone in the team(Shaq, Amare, or Nash) has to sacrifice, shut up, and play.
Can new coach do it? It will be very difficult unless Suns hire Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, or Pop.

Fact 3 & 4 -
Those are Porter's fault, I admit. But it's weak. those are not major problems.

 

[elindholm]

Is there any example that a team fired a coach in the middle of season and was successful with a new coach for the rest of the season?

That depends on how high you set the bar for "successful." The Nets hired Lawrence Frank to replace Byron Scott halfway through the 2003-04 season, immediately won 13 games in a row, went on to win their division, and advanced 4-0 in their first playoff round before losing 4-3 in the second.

 

[Covert Rain]

That depends on how high you set the bar for "successful." The Nets hired Lawrence Frank to replace Byron Scott halfway through the 2003-04 season, immediately won 13 games in a row, went on to win their division, and advanced 4-0 in their first playoff round before losing 4-3 in the second.

That would even be an improvement over D'Antoni last year.

Unfortunatley, there are more examples of it failing miserably. So, chances are we do this, this team goes nowhere. However, does anybody think Porter is going to take this team anywhere? If the answer is no....put a coin in the slot and pull the lever.

 

[ActingWild]

10 million dollars to fire Porter! Jeez it looks like 3-4 more 1st round draft picks will need to be traded.

Seriously if $arver regardless of 'the economy' goes into ultra cheapskate mode the Suns will be viewed, watched, and as unloved as the Cardinals were until this year. He'll be the new Bidwill, no iff's, and's or but's.

Again (as stated previously) my feeling is he took a potential multiple championship dynasty team with a window that would only be about halfway closed (or about 10-12 years long starting with 2003 season), with only Nash's age a factor, (and Marion's a few years from now) to what we currently are. No better than a 6th place team in the west, capable but improbable of making a championship run.

I had hopes for Terry Porter, (just thinking optimistically being a fan and all) but honestly after seeing only a few games it didn't look like he fit the part of being our coach. It was clear he is a couple of steps down from D'antoni. You give him a bit of a break to mesh and get accustomed to his players strength's, weaknesses, and tendencies, one in which it's obvious he still needs. But this is what happens when a mediocre coach inherits a team bereft of young talent, whose identity was recently shaken from trades, and whose style conflicts with his players.

We don't even have our draft pick in 2010, so this is a horrible time to 'rebuild'. Part of the reason 'to rebuild' (if given the chance to decide whether or not you are in rebuilding mode...like they are DECIDING now), is getting good draft picks. Which we wouldn't until 2011.

$arver is the worst thing that has ever happened to this team, 10x worse than the drug scandal.

C'mon $arver, sell the team so you can save your bank, it can't be doing good.

From reading stuff from other threads it looks like it's Kerr's call on an Amare trade. Internal dissension, yeah from the guys who know basketball, but $arver's buddy, Kerr will be able to do anything he wants over the 'basketball minds' because of the nepotistic quality to their relationship. JMHO speculating from what I read. Kerr will make up his mind that he is finished from trying to dissuade himself from trading Amare, swear he did his due diligence to $arver, and then ask and receive permission to trade Amare.

You don't like losing money $arver, then eat the cost of the decision of making your friend a GM, who then hires a friend to coach.

Don't trade Amare or do 'cost cutting' because of it. It'll be obvious as it always is when it's a salary dump. If it's not a name within 15 percent of Amare's skill, then it's a salary dump.

Why would it be that we trade the youngest top-tier player? That would just make us worse this year, and in subsequent years. You don't get younger by trading, what is he now, ~25 year old?

Looks like we may have put all our eggs in one basket, and then decided to play catch with it...throwing it all about.

No big plan, no small plan, just throw everything out the window for small one time gains.

It really is sad, and just goes to further my impression of $arver. Anybody could make money in banking the last 20 years given the climate. $arver sure didn't get where he was by making smart, sound decisions. Because you need only watch how he runs the $uns to understand how he probably ran his bank. Pretty badly.

Why else would you continually throw away the future, and the present, to get a return worth not more than 5-10 percent of the value of the franchise when it was purchased? Consistently trading away talent for a small one time pittance of a payment. Oh he thought the gravy train would go on forever, typical for $arver, and again, would be exactly how a banker would run a bank, and as currently situated, what in the magnified world of today's banking does this conflict with? Nothing.

Screw the health of the product, just keep selling off assets to meet the day, only to find tomorrow harder to meet because of it, and forced to sell even more, in a vicious cycle until, well...we are what we are, and not what you thought we should be. Next year, you'll wish for us to be who we currently are, even it's just so you don't give up the #1 pick.

You're already on the hook for trading away draft picks that themselves would be basically a playoff caliber team, and viewed as up and coming.

If anyone asks where the backwoods in Phoenix are, point them to $arver and Kerr's offices. Good ol boy network is fine and alive there.

We've already seen how he'll run the team, not take a loss for any of his bonehead moves, and not take a loss to win. He chose this destiny. This path was never forced upon him.

If he fires Porter, he better do it with the knowledge that it's going to cut into his pocketbook, not the team's talent level. His whole, 'I don't want to lose money at any costs mindset', will cost him dearly in the long run. Penny wise, pound foolish. There seems to be a lot of that going around these days.

$arver, if you cost-cut now, mark my words, you'll pay at least ten fold for it, and it'll be decades to undo. Ask Bidwill

Sorry for the rant, but it's a greek tragedy what he has done needlessly to this team, and it looks like there's another act about ready to be written.

No apology needed here, awesome rant and I agree with you.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

OH SNAP

BTW...this may make quite a few people happy and sad at the same time.

TP to be fired, Kerr to takeover as coach. Hmmm...that's the rumor in the FO right now.

 

[carey]

Yeah I saw that. Uh, I don't think Kerr can coach though, so the Suns won't really be that much better off.