Suns Thudnurr 3/29/15

[SirStefan32]

That's the point. That Marcus moved from Small Forward to Power Forward and Markeiff from Power Forward to Center in the 4th quarter, regardless of the rest of the lineup.

And with Hornacek's obsession with small ball, the Suns got blown out . . . in the 4th quarter.

In the words of Bill Murray, that's the fact, Jack!

Yeah, I don't know why people can;t comprehend that.
it is REALLY difficult to be undersized on one single position, but being undersized on EVERY single position is REALLY difficult, especially when you are talking about "power" positions. Once in a while, you'll have freaks of nature like Barkey, Ben Wallace, etc, who can play bigger than they are, but those players are a few and far between.

Additionally, a team can be successful going small for a short period of time, but it's impossible to win if you are undersized on multiple positions consistently. Unless you have a true Superstar (LeBron, for example), you just can't win that way.

 

[Phrazbit]

That's the point. That Marcus moved from Small Forward to Power Forward and Markeiff from Power Forward to Center in the 4th quarter, regardless of the rest of the lineup.

And with Hornacek's obsession with small ball, the Suns got blown out . . . in the 4th quarter.

In the words of Bill Murray, that's the fact, Jack!

No it isnt... and you clearly didn't watch the game.

The lineup they played is hardly "small ball", and you made it perfectly clear in your post that you assumed Knight and Bledsoe were both in and that was the reason they got blown out.

And they didn't get out muscled anyway. The Thunder went on a run of bombing 3s. They loaded the court with shooters, the run they built their lead, 18 of the 21 points were scored from 3.

I'm not sure why I bother with these retorts anymore because you're obviously going to repeat this same stuff no matter what the situation is.

 

[mojorizen7]

Yeah, I don't know why people can;t comprehend that.
it is REALLY difficult to be undersized on one single position, but being undersized on EVERY single position is REALLY difficult, especially when you are talking about "power" positions. Once in a while, you'll have freaks of nature like Barkey, Ben Wallace, etc, who can play bigger than they are, but those players are a few and far between.

Additionally, a team can be successful going small for a short period of time, but it's impossible to win if you are undersized on multiple positions consistently. Unless you have a true Superstar (LeBron, for example), you just can't win that way.

It has been and continues to be the largest elephant in room on this board since i first got here 8 years ago. The elephant is so big now...there's literally no room to fart in here.

I just don't even go there anymore. I'm sleeping on the elephants back while everyone continues to talk about how it's not an issue now, and how it's never been an issue before. Over the years it's gone from frustrating to bizarre to just plain funny at this point.

The Suns are not an intelligent basketball organization and the fanbase just eats it up.

Why does this team try to make "win now" type moves at the trade deadline? Why does this team wait until March every year to start(tanking?) and losing a ton of games? Are we trying to position ourselves for a nice draft pick or not? What's the point in earning an 8th seed?

Where's the direction of this team going? What's the plan?
Fuksake

 

[slinslin]

Been saying since we lost Amare that we should have tanked hard every season since.

Philly is doing the rebuilding better, it is hard to see it yet since they were unlucky in the lottery so far but it is likely that they will leapfrog the Suns before the Suns ever realize that they need to tank.

The head that needs to roll is Lon Babby.

 

[SirStefan32]

Been saying since we lost Amare that we should have tanked hard every season since.

Philly is doing the rebuilding better, it is hard to see it yet since they were unlucky in the lottery so far but it is likely that they will leapfrog the Suns before the Suns ever realize that they need to tank.

The head that needs to roll is Lon Babby.

Huh? The guy who negotiates contracts is to blame? McD decides what players he wants, and Babby negotiates contracts. How in the world is Babby to blame for anything?

 

[slinslin]

Huh? The guy who negotiates contracts is to blame? McD decides what players he wants, and Babby negotiates contracts. How in the world is Babby to blame for anything?

He is the one who gavethe direction, he is the one before McDonough who consistently claimed that rebuilding through the draft does not work.

He is a non-competetive old geezer.

 

[SirStefan32]

He is the one who gavethe direction, he is the one before McDonough who consistently claimed that rebuilding through the draft does not work.

He is a non-competetive old geezer.

But he doesn't have anything to do with the talent evaluation. he negotiates contracts and does the business side of things. Hell, one area where the Suns haven't failed is the financial/ cap situation. I understand you like McD, but you can't just blame random people for McD's decisions.

 

[Cheesebeef]

But he doesn't have anything to do with the talent evaluation. he negotiates contracts and does the business side of things. Hell, one area where the Suns haven't failed is the financial/ cap situation. I understand you like McD, but you can't just blame random people for McD's decisions.

you really believe that we've done a good job with financial contracts and such though? Bledsoe's deal doesn't look too good right now and the double trouble contracts with the Morri raises concerns with me as well. And I can only shudder to think what they're going to pay Knight to save face for getting rid of that Lakers pick.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I'm not sure why I bother with these retorts anymore because you're obviously going to repeat this same stuff no matter what the situation is.

I admire your persistence.

 

[SirStefan32]

you really believe that we've done a good job with financial contracts and such though? Bledsoe's deal doesn't look too good right now and the double trouble contracts with the Morri raises concerns with me as well. And I can only shudder to think what they're going to pay Knight to save face for getting rid of that Lakers pick.

Well, I am not crazy about the twins or Bledsoe, but their contracts are not TERRIBLE. If you consider the cap increase that's coming up, the twins will be two decent contracts and Bledsoe will be overpaid but not by much. I think they'll be able to find a team to take him. Knight- same story as Bledsoe, but to me, that's another talent evaluation problem, not a financial problem.

To me, terrible contracts were Childress, Beasley, and those guys. I don't think the Suns have done a terrible job from the financial side in the last two years. Not saying Babby is a saint, but McD seems to be a much bigger problem than Babby. "Let's get three players who are pretty much the same, all need the ball in their hands and none can be effective off the ball or run the offense. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, and we don't need no stinking big men beyond Len and Markieff" is (to me, anyway) a bigger problem than overpaying for Bledsoe and the twins by $2-$3M per year.

 

[sunsfan88]

Huh? The guy who negotiates contracts is to blame? McD decides what players he wants, and Babby negotiates contracts. How in the world is Babby to blame for anything?

Didn't he play a big role in the hiring of McD?