Suns trade ideas for the fall of 2020

[Mainstreet]

The NBA Draft is presently scheduled for October 16th of 2020. This usually marks the start of trade season.

As an example in the 2019 draft we saw the Suns trading the 6th pick to Minnesota for Dario Saric and the 11th pick. Of course the Suns pick turned out to be Cam Johnson.

The Suns went on to make other trades as well but the point I'm trying to make is trades are not far away.

We already have a thread for free agency I thought it would be fun to have a thread for potential Suns trades.

It doesn't have to be limited to a particular position.

 

[Mainstreet]

It was rumored the Suns were interested in Pistons guard Luke Kennard. Might there still be interest and what would a trade look like?

 

[JerkFace]

It was rumored the Suns were interested in Pistons guard Luke Kennard. Might there still be interest and what would a trade look like?

I would be surprised if it took more than our #10. I was fine with the trade at the deadline but now I think I am too scared of his knees and impending contract after next season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I’m a pass on kennard now. And I was okay with it earlier.

 

[Mainstreet]

Only throwing this out for discussion.

Trading for Bradley Beal is idea I came up with back in January but it wasn't very popular as I recall.

The same idea came up in Clutch Points plus two others. The other two players are Victor Oladipo and Ben Simmons.

With Beal's $28,751,774 escalating salary, it doesn't make this trade idea very promising.

Trading for Simmons or Oladipo doesn't make a lot of sense for me either although Oladipo only has one season left on a $21 million contract.

https://clutchpoints.com/3-superstars-devin-booker-led-suns-can-trade-for/

 

[Hoop Head]

I like Oladipo and Simmons more than Beal but I'm not crazy about Simmons. I'd be very surprised if Indiana let Oladipo go. They have a good defensive backcourt with him and Brogdon. Both are combo guards who can facilitate also. Even if they'd trade him, what do we have that would draw their interest? I don't see them being that interested in Oubre because they have TJ already. Rubio? He's not nearly enough. They might like Ayton but I wouldn't trade him for Oladipo.

 

[High Stakes]

Pass on Simmons, pass oladipo, pass kenard.

we trade oubre and 2020 first round pick to move up in the draft to take obi or oubre, 2020 1 round pick, 2021 1st rd, and anything else we can. Obv, we put limited protections on the picks for KAT.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't see how Beal and Booker make any sense together.

Kennard's injury and contract situation make him worth roughly a 2nd round pick so... sure, I'd take him for that, but nothing more.

I am on record as saying that Simmons, as is, has really murky value. He cannot shot, at all... to the extend that he might be the worst shooter in the entire league, you literally cannot play him in key moments, he is no threat to shoot from anywhere, he can't even hit a free throw. I don't see how it makes any sense to pay a huge amount of money to a guy who you need to pull off the court in every clutch situation.

IMO, if not for his early hype and draft position, Simmons would be properly evaluated as a really really good role player, a worse shooting but better playmaking Lamar Odom. Instead he was drafted too high and has a level of hype and expectation that doesn't sniff his actual skill level.

 

[Yuma]

The NBA Draft is presently scheduled for October 16th of 2020. This usually marks the start of trade season.

As an example in the 2019 draft we saw the Suns trading the 6th pick to Minnesota for Dario Saric and the 11th pick. Of course the Suns pick turned out to be Cam Johnson.

As an example of how bad our bench is, and how bad front office trades have been in the last decade, this turned out to be one of our better trades recently.

 

[Mainstreet]

As an example of how bad our bench is, and how bad front office trades have been in the last decade, this turned out to be one of our better trades recently.

Even more so if the Suns can keep Dario Saric.

 

[sinsay]

Trade this years 1st and next years 1st for Obi. Next year 1st can be Jalen on the roster.
Next year's first should be a low pick in the '20s if Obi is on the team. If the suns can pull it off they should be no worst then the 6th seed in playoffs.

 

[GatorAZ]

Backup PG. I view Jevon as a 2 right now.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Backup PG. I view Jevon as a 2 right now.

To me, we have Rubio as the starter at PG and backup is fairly well covered by Payne, Booker and Carter. I'd be more interested in finding a good backup big man, someone that can play with Ayton and back him up.

But I still say our single greatest need is roster continuity. I'd be fine if we just added a draft pick and brought back most of the guys. We need to improve on Frank but most everyone else can improve the position they play simply by increased experience, individually and as part of this team.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

I would be surprised if it took more than our #10. I was fine with the trade at the deadline but now I think I am too scared of his knees and impending contract after next season.

Trading #10 for Kennard is ludicrous. I’m not sure I’d trade #20 for him.

 

[JerkFace]

Trading #10 for Kennard is ludicrous. I’m not sure I’d trade #20 for him.

I agree, but only because of his knees and contract situation. If he was healthy with a couple years left on his contract it would be a whole different discussion.

 

[GatorAZ]

To me, we have Rubio as the starter at PG and backup is fairly well covered by Payne, Booker and Carter. I'd be more interested in finding a good backup big man, someone that can play with Ayton and back him up.

But I still say our single greatest need is roster continuity. I'd be fine if we just added a draft pick and brought back most of the guys. We need to improve on Frank but most everyone else can improve the position they play simply by increased experience, individually and as part of this team.

Payne shot well in a practice type environment. I’m not penciling him in as a sure contributor... We know Rubio is going to miss stretches so ideally I’d like a more proven bet type there. Maybe it’s not realistic.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Payne shot well in a practice type environment. I’m not penciling him in as a sure contributor... We know Rubio is going to miss stretches so ideally I’d like a more proven bet type there. Maybe it’s not realistic.

I don't think it is, any more than I think it's realistic we'll be able to trade for a ready-to-start true power forward. But yeah, if a borderline starter at either position falls into our laps, that would be great. As it is, I liked Payne coming out of college and I like what we saw of him during bubble time but who knows what he'll be long term. I feel a little better about him though, knowing that Monty knows him and apparently trusts him.

 

[SunnyBaller]

Trade this years 1st and next years 1st for Obi. Next year 1st can be Jalen on the roster.
Next year's first should be a low pick in the '20s if Obi is on the team. If the suns can pull it off they should be no worst then the 6th seed in playoffs.

A few months ago I would have been on board with this but after watching alot of tape on obi his defense really makes me not want to draft him, I didnt really notice before but him and Booker on the court same time would make the team take a few steps back defensively next year. He's a good offensive player but you can only really have one of those types of players on the court at a time unless you want to just go for a shoot out each game like Dallas is attempting

 

[1Sun]

A few months ago I would have been on board with this but after watching alot of tape on obi his defense really makes me not want to draft him, I didnt really notice before but him and Booker on the court same time would make the team take a few steps back defensively next year. He's a good offensive player but you can only really have one of those types of players on the court at a time unless you want to just go for a shoot out each game like Dallas is attempting

Agreed. More than anything, we need interior defense, rebounding and toughness, in addition to athleticism, from the power forward spot. An enforcer. Basically a Dennis Rodman/Ben Wallace type. Anything we get in terms of scoring/shooting (a la Rasheed Wallace) is a bonus.

Of the actually available or potentially available players out there that come close to this are Aaron Gordon, Derek Favors, Montrezl Harrell, Hassan Whiteside and Myles Turner, plus Wiseman and Okongwu in the draft.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Agreed. More than anything, we need interior defense, rebounding and toughness, in addition to athleticism, from the power forward spot. An enforcer. Basically a Dennis Rodman/Ben Wallace type. Anything we get in terms of scoring/shooting (a la Rasheed Wallace) is a bonus.

Of the actually available or potentially available players out there that come close to this are Aaron Gordon, Derek Favors, Montrezl Harrell, Hassan Whiteside and Myles Turner, plus Wiseman and Okongwu in the draft.

no to all these guys, except Okongwu and maybe Turner.

Suns need perimeter contain defense way more than interior defense. Ayton is a good rum protector, and Bridges and Oubre have shown good signs. Dario is good at walling up inside and is plenty tough. The Suns struggled mightily at containing dribble penetration: even Bridges isn’t the best at this.

The Suns pass the ball well and create lots of good looks from 3 due to Ayton’s gravity, so they should prioritize finding guys that can

1. Guard the perimeter
2. Shoot from deep
3. Attack off secondary action
4. Are at least 6’5”

They absolutely should not prioritize “interior defense” at the expense of spacing on O: that negates DA’s biggest value (individually in terms of rim runs, and team offense in terms of inverted gravity).

If we don’t get a ticket to top4 and have a chance to draft Edwards or Hayes or Deni as a top flight co-pilot with Book to eventually supplant Ricky, then we should look at guys like Vassell, Nesmith, Bey and Bey, Green, etc.

 

[1Sun]

no to all these guys, except Okongwu and maybe Turner.

Suns need perimeter contain defense way more than interior defense. Ayton is a good rum protector, and Bridges and Oubre have shown good signs. Dario is good at walling up inside and is plenty tough. The Suns struggled mightily at containing dribble penetration: even Bridges isn’t the best at this.

The Suns pass the ball well and create lots of good looks from 3 due to Ayton’s gravity, so they should prioritize finding guys that can

1. Guard the perimeter
2. Shoot from deep
3. Attack off secondary action
4. Are at least 6’5”

They absolutely should not prioritize “interior defense” at the expense of spacing on O: that negates DA’s biggest value (individually in terms of rim runs, and team offense in terms of inverted gravity).

If we don’t get a ticket to top4 and have a chance to draft Edwards or Hayes or Deni as a top flight co-pilot with Book to eventually supplant Ricky, then we should look at guys like Vassell, Nesmith, Bey and Bey, Green, etc.

And without an enforcer at the 4, the Suns will continue to struggle mightily at containing dribble penetration, and any improvement in spacing on offense will be for naught, particularly since we already have an elite perimeter defender in Bridges, and we aren't exactly looking to replace Booker or Rubio in the starting line-up.

I could see your list being ideal for what we are seeking in a back-up shooting guard (or wing, if Cam backs up at the 4), but more than that we need a starting power forward.

Incidentally, there is one guy who is realistically available who meets both your criteria and mine...Aaron Gordon.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Bridges is a very good defensive player, who does some things (switching, getting in passing lanes, contesting at a high level), but he is not good at containing dribble penetration. Ayton is probably better at it actually.

Rubio is like Bridges in that he does many things well on defense but not containing the dribble drive.

The Suns need to find players, preferably tall ones that can also shoot, that don’t immediately get beat off the dribble. Guys like Jevon Carter when his shot is falling, only taller (more defensive versatility).

Gordon is not a bad look, but his shot is broken.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Also, Saddiq Bey reminds me a lot of Dario Saric. Wouldn’t be a bad guy to toss in to the mix, especially if Saric is not retained.

Although, I’d strongly prefer we keep Dario and draft a starter: has to be at least 6’ 5”, shoot 3s well, and be able to guard small4s and PGs.

 

[Mainstreet]

I like Myles Turner but I don't think the Suns have anything to trade for him. Also he would want to start and that would mean the Suns would have to go with a twin tower look. The Suns have too many promising forwards to do that.

 

[1Sun]

In case you haven't noticed, the Suns haven't exactly been storming out of the gate to start games, even in their 8-0 Bubble run. I think a lot of that has to do with the lack of a starting power forward. It is the one must-fix item this offseason. We could almost get away with the entire roster being the same (though serviceable back-ups at center and shooting guard would be nice) if we could only add that one key piece.

Let's say we keep Saric as a back-up (where he belongs). We have:

Rubio
Booker
Oubre
???
Ayton

Payne
???
Bridges
Cam
Saric

With Carter as a third point guard and defensive specialist.

Fill those two ??? and add a serviceable back-up big, and I think we are good to go.

Or trade Oubre for a starting 4, put Bridges in the starting line-up at the 3, and find serviceable back-ups at two of the 2, 3, 4 and 5 to play with Payne, Cam and Saric on the second unit and get another serviceable back-up big to round out the roster.